olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Mackay is such a dumbass, most everything documented can be found through access to information laws if you're going to lie make sure you pull a Clement and leave no paper trail This isn't something that is going to get Mackay fired but it is something that is going to be one of the many lies that will end up costing the cons at the next election http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/e-mails-contradict-mackays-explanation-for-chopper-request/article2257188/ Defence Minister Peter MacKay asked for a helicopter airlift from a Newfoundland fishing vacation in order to catch a plane to Ontario, e-mails show – a request that contradicts his earlier explanation that he’d tasked the chopper to participate in a search-and-rescue demonstration. Records released by the Department of National Defence show that three days before the controversial 2010 flight, Mr. MacKay’s office requested a helicopter on the grounds he had a last-minute need to “unexpectedly” head to London, Ont. A chopper wasn’t necessary, military officials noted in one e-mail, estimating that Gander Airport was a two-hour trip by boat and car from the fishing camp. Edited December 2, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 It seems that way, doesn't it. I don't think that he should have. I mean seriously, the initial 'problem' definitely wasn't worth the "guise". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110922/peter-mackay-newfoundland-chopper-travel-logistics-reaction-110922/ This is from back in October Military sources say no search-and-rescue demonstration was planned until the very day MacKay's office made the request to pick him up. DND documents say the total annual cost per flying hour is $32,232 to operate a Cormorant helicopter, and MacKay's flight was about 30 minutes long. So the military covered it up to protect McKay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 It seems that way, doesn't it. I don't think that he should have. I mean seriously, the initial 'problem' definitely wasn't worth the "guise". To be honest I would have went "oh, that shouldn't be allowed" and then I would have read something about Tony Clement and became belligerent He really did not have to lie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Nothing on www.sunnewsnetwork.ca about this new revelation ..why am I not surprised But on the front headline they have Baird fear mongering Iran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 The more I read this the more I realize this was an elaborate cover up that consisted of many people MacKay has to resign now...or Harper has to replace him (aren't they enemies anyway? why does he even have a place in Harper's government..maybe they are black mailing each other) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Ashley Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) what is wrong about lying; it is a conservative majority. Edited December 2, 2011 by William Ashley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 what is wrong about lying; it is a conservative majority. whats even more disturbing than the lying is the government defending them like what they did wasn't wrong! Even Mulrooney was decent enough to sack the corrupted MPs in his government even though he was a crook in the end Conservatives will lose too many supporters if this continues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."-Sir John Dalberg-Acton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 will "majority" of canadians be able to remember all these things by the time the next elections roll around or will their attention span and abused housewife syndrome make them vote for the conservatives again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 will "majority" of canadians be able to remember all these things by the time the next elections roll around or will their attention span and abused housewife syndrome make them vote for the conservatives again? just as harper gained seats by appealing small interest groups the same process will work in reverse...it will be a death from a thousand cuts, each lie, each bit of deceit, every incidence of arrogance will all accumulate to bring him down...once someone is pissed for one reason or another you can't win them back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) Oh god.. 3 more years of lefties reassuring each other that every minor scandal they can conjure up into the next national crisis will be the death knell of the conservatives. I don't know if I can take it. Can't you guys wait until your parties find leaders before talking about winning the next election? Edited December 2, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) You need to stop being an apologist for unethical behaviours. This kind of blind partisanship is what destroys democracies. Politics are not about "winning" and cheering for your team. It's about compromise and doing what's best for the country. Edited December 2, 2011 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) I'm not gonna change my core values because some mp took a joyride in a helicopter. Sorry to dissappoint you guys, you're not gonna get conservative minded people to vote against their values because of a few minor overblown "scandals". I happen to think the conservatives are the best for this country even with a helicopter joyride, a few phone calls, and a mayor swearing at a dispatch operator. Edited December 2, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I'm not gonna change my core values because some mp took a joyride in a helicopter. Sorry to dissappoint you guys, you're not gonna get conservative minded people to vote against their values because of a few minor overblown "scandals". this would be minor if he hadnt concocted a conspiracy .. even the military did their part in covereing his ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) disgruntled cons wont vote for another party.. they'll just spoil their ballot which indirectly helps the other parties will MacKay continue to deny this? Edited December 2, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) I'm not gonna change my core values because some mp took a joyride in a helicopter. Sorry to dissappoint you guys, you're not gonna get conservative minded people to vote against their values because of a few minor overblown "scandals". impressive core values, lying, theft of public funds(fuel), misappropriation of essential search and rescue equipment for personal use...awesome values conservatives have.. Edited December 2, 2011 by wyly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 this would be minor if he hadnt concocted a conspiracy .. even the military did their part in covereing his ass What are you? 16? You've probably been following politics and the news for less than 3 years, what do you know about what a major scandal is? There's 30 stories a year like this one. You think conservatives just found out there's wastage and corruption in the government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 What are you? 16? You've probably been following politics and the news for less than 3 years, what do you know about what a major scandal is? There's 30 stories a year like this one. You think conservatives just found out there's wastage and corruption in the government? theres 30 other stories bout a federal defense minister getting the military to lie for him for a simple misuse of resources? if hes willing to spin up all kinds of covers for this imagine what hes really capable of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 CPCFTW should MacKay resign or get demoted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 impressive core values, lying, theft of public funds(fuel), misappropriation of essential search and rescue equipment for personal use...awesome values conservatives have.. raping children, crusading against unbelievers... awesome values christians have.. bombing people, burning people alive, kidnapping and beheading people... awesome values muslims have.. Come on, you can do better than that. Wait, who am I kidding.. No you can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 (edited) CPCFTW should MacKay resign or get demoted? No. I wouldn't mind seeing him fined for the cost of his joyride though. In fact, fine all public servants whenever they are caught purposely wasting taxpayer money (which is a hell of a lot more than 30 times a year), and then write all Canadians a cheque at the end of the year. Edited December 2, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPCFTW Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 if hes willing to spin up all kinds of covers for this imagine what hes really capable of Good point. He may be hitler ii. I never thought of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 No. I wouldn't mind seeing him fined for the cost of his joyride though. this is a breach of public trust is it not? how can he continue to serve us if he lies right to our faces Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Good point. He may be hitler ii. I never thought of that. and if it were an ndp / liberal you'd be furious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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