Britain, Iran, officially enemies?

[Signals.Cpl]

For at least one person here,and it's probably on either the first or 2nd page of this,we should simply allow Iran to gain nuclear capability AND THEN see if they will use it ina militaristic fashion...

By the way,I used the rise of the 3rd Reich theory (circa 1936) on these folks and they don't seem to see how history repeats itself..

I too see it as history repeating itself. Hitler wrote what he would do, and then waited until he had to ability to do it with a reasonable chance of success. Most people were appeasing Hitler and the Nazi’s in the mid 1930's and they are willing to appease the Iranians in the 21st century. In the 30's the world leaders had the master plan that Hitler was following, ignored it, and were surprised when he did what he had said he was going to do since before he was Chancellor. Unfortunately appeasing the Iranians in 2011 is going to end up the exact same way as it did in 1945 with a gruesome discovery that our screw-up cost millions of people their lives. How can we tell our grandchildren someday that hey Hitler told us what he would do, we ignored him, he did it cost 60,000,000 lives in the process. And then Iran told us they wanted to destroy Israel and we ignored them and then 82,000,000 people died. I think the world should act now, or stand by their decisions in the future and explain to the next holocaust survivors both Iranian and Israeli why we failed them.

[DogOnPorch]

Remember,the nutters in Tehran arrested some hikers recently and held them captive because,being American,they had to be spies!!!

Yes those evil rats over at Lonely Planet...they probably were giving poor ratings to Iranian youth hostels when caught.

[Moonlight Graham]

I am sorry; I completely agree with you, I mean there are no examples in history to back up what I'm saying are there? It’s not like Hitler wrote in his book that he wanted to destroy France as a power, or I don’t know, conquer Poland and Czechoslovakia. He definitely NEVER made a reference to his hatred of the Jews, or that they "deserved" to be gassed. The world stuck its collective head in the sand and left 11,000,000 people Jews, Slavic people, mentally and physically disabled, Homosexuals, and any one of those “undesirable” races, anybody not part of the "Aryan" race or allies) to be treated in an inhumane (understatement of the millennium) way and subsequently killed them enmasse and in again understatement but a grotesque way. Hitler said he would do it, waited until he was confident he could succeed committed one of the worst crimes against humanity in the history of the world, and the saddest part is, that he warned EVERYONE when he wrote his book.

But you can't just act on what political leaders say. Hitler is one case. How many bazillion times have politicians said one thing and done another? They are professional liars. Ahmadinejad could very well be making these comments for domestic political gains as much as anything. We don't know. Iran's threats should not be taken lightly by any means, nor should we blow them out of proportion (which has been done bigtime) and overreact.

[DogOnPorch]

But you can't just act on what political leaders say. Hitler is one case. How many bazillion times have politicians said one thing and done another? They are professional liars. Ahmadinejad could very well be making these comments for domestic political gains as much as anything. We don't know. Iran's threats should not be taken lightly by any means, nor should we blow them out of proportion (which has been done bigtime) and overreact.

That's what Nasser was doing in late May 1967.

[blueblood]

But you can't just act on what political leaders say. Hitler is one case. How many bazillion times have politicians said one thing and done another? They are professional liars. Ahmadinejad could very well be making these comments for domestic political gains as much as anything. We don't know. Iran's threats should not be taken lightly by any means, nor should we blow them out of proportion (which has been done bigtime) and overreact.

But we have precedent at what a nut bar can do. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...

[Signals.Cpl]

But you can't just act on what political leaders say. Hitler is one case. How many bazillion times have politicians said one thing and done another? They are professional liars. Ahmadinejad could very well be making these comments for domestic political gains as much as anything. We don't know. Iran's threats should not be taken lightly by any means, nor should we blow them out of proportion (which has been done bigtime) and overreact.

Well, it’s all about the different situation. If Iran said they will wipe out Israel, fine say it, I am confident Israel has the abilities, technology and will to thoroughly thrash the Iranians. The problem is that the Iranians are increasing the weight of their words, because of their desire for nuclear weapons. Thus war is not necessary but, if it has to come to this, war should be brought to Iran to remove the threat. If it all was left to words, yeah let them talk, but once the means to accomplish their promises was sought after, it changes the whole situation.

[Jack Weber]

But you can't just act on what political leaders say. Hitler is one case. How many bazillion times have politicians said one thing and done another? They are professional liars. Ahmadinejad could very well be making these comments for domestic political gains as much as anything. We don't know. Iran's threats should not be taken lightly by any means, nor should we blow them out of proportion (which has been done bigtime) and overreact.

Simple question....

Given all the literally Hitlerite commentary from Tehran...

Do you trust the Islamic Republic of Iran to act in a responsible fashion with militarized nuclear power???

[Hudson Jones]

2) also

3)

4)

5) When I reread this one it seems more biased then my initial assesment.

As you can see the 2nd source to 4th source make the Iranian position perfectly clear. When he says death to Israel, and we will wipe Israel from the face of the earth,

You are lost in translation and are not familiar enough with the Iranian regime to know that "Death to ___" is a slogan that has been repeated by hardliners since the revolution. This is not a call for genocide. He is talking about the Israeli/Zionist regime that the Iranian government does not recognize as a legitimate. The Iranian rhetoric against the Israeli regime is no different than consistent rhetoric from Israel and U.S.A who call for the end of the Iranian government and who actually possess nuclear weapons.

oh by the way we are getting nukes for peacefull purposes it rings some bells. What would it take for you to be convinced that they in tend genocide if they build the means to accomplish the task.

You said "they have said that should they receive nukes, they would at first opportunity destroy Israel." Your statement is simply false and it looks like you will not admit to it.

[Jack Weber]

You are lost in translation and are not familiar enough with the Iranian regime to know that "Death to ___" is a slogan that has been repeated by hardliners since the revolution. This is not a call for genocide. He is talking about the Israeli/Zionist regime that the Iranian government does not recognize as a legitimate. The Iranian rhetoric against the Israeli regime is no different than consistent rhetoric from Israel and U.S.A who call for the end of the Iranian government and who actually possess nuclear weaponns.

Uh....No it's not..

The US and Israel have made it clear they would like to see that leadership in Tehran gone....

They have NOT called for the annhilation of an entire group of people...

Your comparison is not apples to oranges...It's apples to tow trucks...

Edited December 1, 2011 by Jack Weber

[Signals.Cpl]

You are lost in translation and are not familiar enough with the Iranian regime to know that "Death to ___" is a slogan that has been repeated by hardliners since the revolution. This is not a call for genocide. He is talking about the Israeli/Zionist regime that the Iranian government does not recognize as a legitimate. The Iranian rhetoric against the Israeli regime is no different than consistent rhetoric from Israel and U.S.A who call for the end of the Iranian government and who actually possess nuclear weapons.

You said "they have said that should they receive nukes, they would at first opportunity destroy Israel." Your statement is simply false and it looks like you will not admit to it.

Death to Israel might be a slogan they have used for the last millions years, now the death to Israel and their insistance on getting nukes at the same time makes it a threat.

[Hudson Jones]

They have NOT called for the annhilation of an entire group of people...

Neither has the Iranian government.

[dre]

Neither has the Iranian government.

Yeah this whole narrative is bullshit as well. If Iran wanted to rid the world of Jews youd think it would start with the 30+ thousand living in Iran. You just need a few lengths of rope to kill them! Perfect place to start.

Hows that going?

The Constitution of Iran says that Jews are equal to Muslims. Imam Khomeini visited with members of the Jewish community and issued a decree ordering the adherents of Judaism and other revealed religions to be protected. Jews are entitled to self-administration and one member of the 290-seat Majlis is elected by only Jews. Jewish burial rites and divorce laws are accepted by Islamic courts. Tehran has over 20 synagogues. Iran has one of only four Jewish charity hospitals in the world. The hospital has received donations from top Iranian officials, including President Ahmadinejad. Kosher butcher shops are available in Iran. There are Hebrew schools and coeducation is allowed.[65]

Jews are conscripted into the Army like all Iranian citizens. Many Iranian Jews fought during the Iran-Iraq war (1980–1988) as drafted soldiers. About 15 were killed.[66] It has been reported that Jews in Iran are proud of their heritage.

Jewish citizens are permitted to obtain passports and to travel outside the country, but they often are denied the multiple-exit permits normally issued to other citizens. With the exception of certain business travelers, the authorities require Jews to obtain clearance and pay additional fees before each trip abroad. The Government appears concerned about the emigration of Jewish citizens and permission generally is not granted for all members of a Jewish family to travel outside the country at the same time.

The Association of Tehrani Jews said in a statement, "We Iranian Jews condemn claims of the US State Department on Iranian religious minorities, announced that we are fully free to perform our religious duties and we feel no restriction on performing our religious rituals." [67

[Hudson Jones]

Death to Israel might be a slogan they have used for the last millions years, now the death to Israel and their insistance on getting nukes at the same time makes it a threat.

Iran never said what you said Iran had said. This will be the last time I address your false claims.

[olp1fan]

http://www.commodityonline.com/news/crude-oil-us-sanctions-against-iran-and-chinas-call-for-ww-iii-44134-3-1.html

. A Chinese television reported China's Major General Zhang Zhaozhong as saying that China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a Third World War in order to safeguard its domestic political needs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugq-KleU8IA&sns=em

Edited December 2, 2011 by olp1fan

[Signals.Cpl]

Iran never said what you said Iran had said. This will be the last time I address your false claims.

Is that how you prove your point? I post evidence, and since you can’t prove your point, you run to the corner to cry? How are my claims false? Has Iran ever said Death to Israel? Because no matter how you twist it, Iran has threatened Israel. But then again its likely I value life a lot more then you do, and I have the wish to see nuclear war averted, all you wish seems to protect little innocent Iran from the big bad Americans.

Go hide in your corner; this is way above your mediocre capabilities.

[Signals.Cpl]

http://www.commodityonline.com/news/crude-oil-us-sanctions-against-iran-and-chinas-call-for-ww-iii-44134-3-1.html

. A Chinese television reported China's Major General Zhang Zhaozhong as saying that China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a Third World War in order to safeguard its domestic political needs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugq-KleU8IA&sns=em

I wish the Chinese good luck with that.

[dre]

I wish the Chinese good luck with that.

China doesnt have to act militarily. All the countries that would be chipping into carpet bomb Iran are flat broke and running huge defecits. They will need to sell bonds to finance their participation and China is one of the biggest buyers of western debt.

[Signals.Cpl]

China doesnt have to act militarily. All the countries that would be chipping into carpet bomb Iran are flat broke and running huge defecits. They will need to sell bonds to finance their participation and China is one of the biggest buyers of western debt.

Here is the thing, China has alot more buissness with the US and Western Europe then with Iran, they can huff and puff all they want, but at the end they will lodge a protest and move on.

[olp1fan]

if the world economy goes down what does china really have to lose?

its not in the news but Chinas economy is near collapse

Edited December 2, 2011 by olp1fan

[bush_cheney2004]

if the world economy goes down what does china really have to lose?

its not in the news but Chinas economy is near collapse

Oh it's in the news allright. Same as the US bailing out Europe for the third time in the past 100 years. The lowly American greenback has never looked better!