Guest Derek L Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Why don't we get the Chinese to build these stupid jets and save everyone a bundle? The Chinese (and Russians) are two decades behind (And that's being generous). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Sorry, what I should have said is, why doesn't Lockheed Martin just move to China and save everyone a bundle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 It’s a negotiation tactic…… and the Lockheed Martin statement that delays and shifting procurement requests will affect prices for all allies? this reads more like the/your "broken record routine" from this threads last page discussion, hey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Sorry, what I should have said is, why doesn't Lockheed Martin just move to China and save everyone a bundle? The actual production of aircraft, relatively speaking, is one of the cheaper costs……..It’s development and the “stuff” you put inside it that is expensive…….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGmann Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Israel buys F-35 for $96 mln a piece/ http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/defense-minister-barak-approves-purchase-of-20-f-35-fighters-for-around-2-75-billion-1.308235 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Israel buys F-35 for $96 mln a piece/ http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/defense-minister-barak-approves-purchase-of-20-f-35-fighters-for-around-2-75-billion-1.308235 apparently, membership has its privileges The entire deal will be funded by American military aid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGmann Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 My point is that the price is far lower than the hysterical media say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 and the Lockheed Martin statement that delays and shifting procurement requests will affect prices for all allies? this reads more like the/your "broken record routine" from this threads last page discussion, hey? Not at all…….in your article, the initial tail price will increase as production and orders are pushed back by the US Government (I pointed a few pages back, the US is reducing their order over the next few years by a handful of pre production aircraft), but their requirements, along with the international partners, have not changed and won’t effect the economies of scale later this decade. As for the broken record reference, are you suggesting I’m on the take by LockMart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 My point is that the price is far lower than the hysterical media say. uhhh... $96 million seems a tad higher than the Harper Conservative's $75 million/per 'broken record routine' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 As for the broken record reference... Ottawa should come clean on cost of the F-35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Ottawa should come clean on cost of the F-35 Fair enough. As in the article, nothing new has been said, and like the article I criticized smallc for, the author is using exuberated and factually incorrect information to make his point……….. My scepticism and disdain draws from several, abet personal, areas. Namely having served in the Air Force (And an inherit understanding of their requirements),and being formerly employed by two aerospace & defence companies (an inherent understanding of how the process works) . Also remembering and living through the selection of our current Hornets (The aircraft being replaced by the JSF) and all the negative political axes being grinded during that time (I swear you could change the media’s dating of their current stories and transpose JSF for Hornet) and serving through (and being directly affected by) the MHP political fiasco in the late 80s and the early 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 uhhh... $96 million seems a tad higher than the Harper Conservative's $75 million/per 'broken record routine' You do realize that 75M is just the base aircraft cost, I hope. After all, 75M x 65 =\= $9B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 You do realize that 75M is just the base aircraft cost, I hope. After all, 75M x 65 =\= $9B. huh? From the 2 most recent linked articles: The total price tag confirmed by Barak indicates that each plane costs about $96 million, with further expenses on training, simulators, spare parts and the building of maintenance infrastructure. vs. Harper’s ministers confidently predict we’ll get the full complement of 65 jets for a “fly-away price” of $5 billion, or $75 million apiece. (The true procurement cost rises to $9 billion or $140 million apiece after factoring in upgrades, weapons, training, spare parts and other essentials.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) Weapons. Even so, the plane gets less expensive as more are built. Israel is buying them before peak build time. We aren't. Edited February 27, 2012 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Weapons. Even so, the plane gets less expensive as more are built. Israel is buying them before peak build time. We aren't. see broken record routine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Why don't we get the Chinese to build these stupid jets and save everyone a bundle? Great idea! Considering China is the country that gave us poisoned pet food, lead paint on children's toys, executed a baby food factory manager because babies died... Plus, they really aren't likely to clear any military security lists... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 see broken record routine Actual information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Great idea! Considering China is the country that gave us poisoned pet food, lead paint on children's toys, executed a baby food factory manager because babies died... Plus, they really aren't likely to clear any military security lists... Yup...Red China. Some rivers are red... Google Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Yup...Red China. Some rivers are red... Google Link The only thing "Red" about China these days might be those rivers... I would not categorize the Authoritarian Capitalism (see Mussolini's quote on the perfect mix of corporate and public power) of China as "Red" anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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