So what would you do if you saw your coach molesting a child?

[Argus]

From what I have read, it appears the kid (he was pretty young still) was distraught about what he wintessed, was incredibly shaken and sought the advice of his father who in turn said 'we will go meet Joe in the morning" ...and they did.

Guyser, I don't buy it. Today we're recognizing all those people who put their lives on the line to fight for their countries, many of them as young as 18 -- some even younger.

This wasn't a 'kid'. He was a grad student of 28. If you want to be considered a man then you bloody well act like one. If we, as a society, consider 28 to be too young to be given the responsibilities of an adult then they shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

[guyser]

Guyser, I don't buy it. Today we're recognizing all those people who put their lives on the line to fight for their countries, many of them as young as 18 -- some even younger.

This wasn't a 'kid'. He was a grad student of 28. If you want to be considered a man then you bloody well act like one. If we, as a society, consider 28 to be too young to be given the responsibilities of an adult then they shouldn't be allowed to vote either.

Fair enough, in my mind I had 21 or 22 yr old.

Agreed, moral compass was not working.He deferred to his dad, who did the wrong thing, and of course like father like son. So he was never taught the right thing by his dad.

They did tell someone, and should have done more, no doubt, but the picked someone to tell that had an even worse moral compass, Joe Paterno.

[eyeball]

And spend the next few years mired in the legal mess surrounding the case? Even if you are recognized as having done a good deed (not guaranteed), you'll be interviewed by investigators, asked to court as a witness, etc. Your life will be disrupted for years to come. Much easier to report it to the appropriate channels and then go about your business.

I know, I was just venting.

I'd still intervene however. I'd tell the coach to get off the kid and I'd make sure the kid was out of further danger. I would have hollered down the hall for someone to call the cops or done so myself on my cell phone.

There's no way I would have left the kid there.

[kimmy]

It's inconceivable to me that the student who witnessed the assault happening did nothing to intervene. It's inconceivable to me that school officials who were informed, including Paterno, did not notify the police. All should face legal consequences.

The university itself has also apparently broken the law.

The Clery Act is a federal law that requires schools to report crimes to police.

In the highest fine levied under the Clery Act, Eastern Michigan University in 2008 agreed to pay $350,000 in fines for covering up the rape and killing of a student in her dorm room by telling reporters and her parents there were no signs of foul play.

-k

[kimmy]

It's now a criminal conspiracy, not just a child molestation. It may even morph into murder as well. A district attorney that was investigating the coach "disappeared" 5 years ago, and hasn't been heard from since. They found his computer at the bottom of a lake.

Can you provide a link? That's a fascinating twist to this story...

-k

[GostHacked]

Can you provide a link? That's a fascinating twist to this story...

-k

I read an article on that this week as well, I'll try to dig a couple links up.

Edit ... here are a couple..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Gricar

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.Tr1oWXKt06w

The prosecutor who decided to not pursue sex abuse charges against former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky more than a decade ago, despite an alleged confession, is at the center of a missing persons mystery that has enraptured middle Pennsylvania for years.

Ray Gricar served as the district attorney for Pennsylvania's Centre County in 1998 when Sandusky was accused of sexually abusing several boys. After an extensive investigation, which included testimony by two law enforcement officers that they had overheard Sandusky admitting to showering with multiple young boys, Gricar decided no criminal charges would be filed, according to recent court documents. Sandusky retired the next year.

This is back in 1998.

Then, in April 2005, Gricar disappeared.

His car was found abandoned in a Lewisburg, Pa., parking lot and his laptop's harddrive was recovered from the nearby Susquehannna River, but there was no other trace of Gricar. No clues could be gleaned from the severely damaged harddrive and despite a six year investigation that involved the FBI and international help, police have as little an idea today about what happened to the former DA as they did then.

Edited November 11, 2011 by GostHacked

[Guest American Woman]

Missing D.A. Ray Gricar's disappearance probably unrelated to Jerry Sandusky case, detective says

[Rue]

I couldn't help noticing the glaring absence in all the coverage of the firing of Penn State's famous football coach Joe Paterno.

Everyone, including him, seems to believe he didn't do enough, that he had a moral obligation to do more than simply follow the university's regulations on reporting what was told to him up the chain of command. So he's been fired for it, note even allowed to retire at the end of the season. The university president was fired, too. And the two people who Paterno told, the athletic director and the school's vice president, have been both fired and charged for not doing anything.

But what about the grad student who told Paterno? By his own testimony, he heard a "slapping sound" and looked in the room to see coach Sandusky sodomizing a boy he thought was about ten years old. What did he do? Well, nothing. He didn't jump the coach. He didn't yell out something like "Hey, what are you doing?". He didn't make some noise so the coach would hear and stop. He didn't call the cops.

He tiptoed quietly away, apparently. And next day he told coach Paterno. And where is he now? He's a football coach with the same team. And he has not been fired. So what are we to make of Penn State's little morality play? You get fired for not utmost to prevent child molesting? Or you get fired for being controversial and blackening the school's name?

As far as I am concerned precisely because of what you summarized above that the whole bloody lot of them including that coach should all not only be fired but charged with being accessories before and after the fact.

Knowing a crime could have happened and not reporting it to the police makes them all accessories. They are all dispicable sob's.

[Rue]

First of all I would stop him, not tiptoe away quietly. I would shout at him or whatever, and take the kid away. Bring the kid back to his parents. Then report it to the authorities.

Precisely. It aint rocket science. To think that even has to be said is just and out nutz. Are we to believe this guy should not have stepped in. He is just as bad as the sob pervert doing the rape. He could have at least stood there and said stop. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. They are all tarred with the same feather as the rapist because of their lack of reaction and doing the right thing-the whole stinking lot of them.

[Rue]

It's now a criminal conspiracy, not just a child molestation. It may even morph into murder as well. A district attorney that was investigating the coach "disappeared" 5 years ago, and hasn't been heard from since. They found his computer at the bottom of a lake.

That I did not know. This just stinks. It sounds like a wide spread cover up and the question is why? Why would non pedophiles protect such a pedophile? Just what were they protecting? There is a whole lot of rot that is going to surface. I hate to say this but when pedophilia is wide spread covered up it usually means there is more than 1 pedophile. Case in pt. the Catholic church, Mt. Cashel, on and on.

[Topaz]

All the US talk shows are talking about this and one point that came up was the millions of dollars made in college football and that could have been the main reason why everyone who knew didn't say anything.

[blueblood]

Precisely. It aint rocket science. To think that even has to be said is just and out nutz. Are we to believe this guy should not have stepped in. He is just as bad as the sob pervert doing the rape. He could have at least stood there and said stop. The whole thing stinks from top to bottom. They are all tarred with the same feather as the rapist because of their lack of reaction and doing the right thing-the whole stinking lot of them.

Two words consentual fight.

Edited November 12, 2011 by blueblood

[jbg]

why should us canadians give a damn? we have our own scandals and problems to worry about

its not like itd make the news in the U.S if it happened in Canada

U.S doesnt have to be the centre of the world if you don't want it to

so why care? what happened was awful and i hope justice is served

thats all that needs to be said

doesn't need to be the most discussed topic by canadians

Because our countries are blended. Our cultures are similar though not identical. Our languages have some similarities.

[olp1fan]

Because our countries are blended. Our cultures are similar though not identical. Our languages have some similarities.

The Scouts Canada scandal that was exposed recently was in the news for like 2 or 3 days

Guess how many days this scandal will be in our news? probably a month

[Guest American Woman]

So what would you do if you saw your coach molesting a child?

I think a more appropriate question is: what do you think you would do? Sometimes we don't know what we would do until we're actually in such a situation. We have some posters here who would bash the coach's head in, but the reality is that the coach could have won that fight, and ended up bashing their head in. Another possibility is that the coach, having much more clout/power within the university structure, could have quickly discredited the grad student, could have acted in such a way to make his credibility suspect. He also could have had a weapon.

The grad student didn't "just tiptoe away," and perhaps considering the total picture, handled it in the best way.

I will say that I think the suggestion of making a lot of noise so he would stop would be a good one, unless the person involved had fear of the coach himself. We are all human, and in spite of claims of bravado on a web board, real life doesn't always turn out according to our fantasies.

I think this whole situation is terrible, and I think the 'hush hush' attitude is similar to that of the Catholic Church and the Scouts Canada scandals. It's about time it's brought to light that this is not the way to handle it, and children must always be put first.

I would hate to think that protecting the university, it's sports program, would be put above the well being of children, but at this point I don't know what else to think; but I do think projecting the blame on the grad student is not justifiable. He did react, and ultimately did the right thing - for whatever good it did.

Overall, though, I will wait and see what the 'final verdict' is. The mainstream media doesn't always get the story right. I cite the Duke Lacrosse Team, whose members were unjustly tried and hung in the media, as an example. If the coach is guilty, if the university is guilty of allowing it to happen and/or covering it up, I believe they should have the book thrown at them.

Edited November 12, 2011 by American Woman

[blueblood]

So what would you do if you saw your coach molesting a child?

I think a more appropriate question is: what do you think you would do? Sometimes we don't know what we would do until we're actually in such a situation. We have some posters here who would bash the coach's head in, but the reality is that the coach could have won that fight, and ended up bashing their head in. Another possibility is that the coach, having much more clout/power within the university structure, could have quickly discredited the grad student, could have acted in such a way to make his credibility suspect. He also could have had a weapon.

The grad student didn't "just tiptoe away," and perhaps considering the total picture, handled it in the best way.

I will say that I think the suggestion of making a lot of noise so he would stop would be a good one, unless the person involved had fear of the coach himself. We are all human, and in spite of claims of bravado on a web board, real life doesn't always turn out according to our fantasies.

I think this whole situation is terrible, and I think the 'hush hush' attitude is similar to that of the Catholic Church and the Scouts Canada scandals. It's about time it's brought to light that this is not the way to handle it, and children must always be put first.

I would hate to think that protecting the university, it's sports program, would be put above the well being of children, but at this point I don't know what else to think; but I do think projecting the blame on the grad student is not justifiable. He did react, and ultimately did the right thing - for whatever good it did.

Overall, though, I will wait and see what the 'final verdict' is. The mainstream media doesn't always get the story right. I cite the Duke Lacrosse Team, whose members were unjustly tried and hung in the media, as an example. If the coach is guilty, if the university is guilty of allowing it to happen and/or covering it up, I believe they should have the book thrown at them.

The grad student did the appropriate think after the fact. I don't know us law on the USA side, but in Canada, there are provisions for consensual fights and using appropriate force in situations like this. Doing the right thing involves taking that chance that you might lose. You have to remember Canada as the land of hockey and a big part of the game is fighting. It is used as an on ice deterrent for 3rd or 4th liners taking liberties at star players by having the tough guy on the team challenging the individual who took said liberties to stop or it's fisticuffs. At the end of said scrap the authorities intervene.

The player didnt know if that coach would have done what other rapists would have done at that time.He could very well have finished the job, strangled the kid and thrown the body in a forest. If a person doesn't figure they could win the scrap or there is an issue with the weapon, why not call the authorities immediately and the coach would have been caught with

his and in the cookie jar.

It's like the situation in vancouver and Toronto during the hockey riots and g20. Some individuals step up when there is the likelyhood of ending up on the wrong end of a scrap in order to do the right thing. Those people did the right thing and have been properly recognized for doing so.

[bush_cheney2004]

You have to remember Canada as the land of hockey and a big part of the game is fighting. It is used as an on ice deterrent for 3rd or 4th liners taking liberties at star players by having the tough guy on the team challenging the individual who took said liberties to stop or it's fisticuffs. At the end of said scrap the authorities intervene.

The player didnt know if that coach would have done what other rapists would have done at that time.....

You are joking...right? It didn't happen in the "Land of Hockey", and even if it did, your explanation is quite the stretch. Fighting in hockey is what makes the game second rate.

[blueblood]

You are joking...right? It didn't happen in the "Land of Hockey", and even if it did, your explanation is quite the stretch. Fighting in hockey is what makes the game second rate.

I was referring to how we canadians have provisions for consensual fighting And use of appropriate force in a situation like this. Hockey fight is an example I like to use. And yes we know it didn't happen in he land of hockey, but the question was posed to Canadians, and it's an option. Fighting in hockey is a culture thing, the thing that makes fiting in hockey second rate is the staged fights, not the one that comes after a player getting two handed in the back of the legs or being hit from behind into the glass.

[bush_cheney2004]

I was referring to how we canadians have provisions for consensual fighting And use of appropriate force in a situation like this. Hockey fight is an example I like to use. And yes we know it didn't happen in he land of hockey, but the question was posed to Canadians, and it's an option.

If you say so...still...I'm not convinced that your average Canadian would just tiptoe away from such a scene without making a peep or report to the police.

Fighting in hockey is a culture thing, the thing that makes fiting in hockey second rate is the staged fights, not the one that comes after a player getting two handed in the back of the legs or being hit from behind into the glass.

Off topic and debated to death in an earlier thread. Hockey remains popular to some for the aspect you describe, and my only conclusion is that it appeals to the 'redneck' in some Canadians/Americans.

Edited November 12, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[blueblood]

If you say so...still...I'm not convinced that your average Canadian would just tiptoe away from such a scene without making a peep or report to the police.

Off topic and debated to death in an earlier thread. Hockey remains popular to some for the aspect you describe, and my only conclusion is that it appeals to the 'redneck' in some Canadians/Americans.

Umm, I was advocating confronting the perp committing the rape and reporting said incident immediately to the police. Whether perp gets into a scrap is entirely up to the perp.

[bush_cheney2004]

Umm, I was advocating confronting the perp committing the rape and reporting said incident immediately to the police. Whether perp gets into a scrap is entirely up to the perp.

Good...then we agree and we can go back to watching bad hockey!

[msj]

If you say so...still...I'm not convinced that your average Canadian would just tiptoe away from such a scene without making a peep or report to the police.

I don't know about that: junior hockey has it's own history of sexual assaults - Graham James was a coach of the Swift Current Broncos and who knows how many lives he has ruined.

[msj]

So what would you do if you saw your coach molesting a child?

I think a more appropriate question is: what do you think you would do? Sometimes we don't know what we would do until we're actually in such a situation. s

I'm always amazed at how you have to state what is obviously implied as if it is some kind of profundity.

It's not.

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't know about that: junior hockey has it's own history of sexual assaults - Graham James was a coach of the Swift Current Broncos and who knows how many lives he has ruined.

Pure conjecture....there are many forms of continuing abuse in many settings. This was a specific circumstance.

[msj]

Pure conjecture....there are many forms of continuing abuse in many settings. This was a specific circumstance.

Fair enough on the conjecture part.

They all have specific circumstances - sadly.