Guest American Woman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 I'm always amazed at how you have to state what is obviously implied as if it is some kind of profundity. It's not. I'm always amazed that your reaction to my posts is such vehement hostility. Is it women that you hate? Americans? Or yourself? I'm simply responding to the post with my input, same as you, same as everyone else in this thread. I'm pointing out that sometimes what we think we would do is different from what we actually would do when confronted with the situation ourselves - and that what we say we will do can be something else entirely. It's easy for people on a web board to claim they'd smash the coach's head in, but I have to wonder about the reality. If you don't like what I have to say, ignore it. I'd be pleased as punch if you did. Now I suggest you see a doctor about removing that bug you have up your ass .............. Quote
Argus Posted November 12, 2011 Author Report Posted November 12, 2011 I don't know about that: junior hockey has it's own history of sexual assaults - Graham James was a coach of the Swift Current Broncos and who knows how many lives he has ruined. Even so, sixteen is not ten. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest American Woman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Even so, sixteen is not ten. You think it's less traumatic at 16 than at 10? Quote
msj Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Even so, sixteen is not ten. My point is that this kind of thing happens all over the place and there are lots of people who know, or should know, and who have not, and will continue to not do the right thing at the right time. It's shameful but that's humanity for you. Oh, and I don't think being 16 makes rape any more or less right than being ten. (Ok, bad joke, bad joke). Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
msj Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 I'm always amazed that your reaction to my posts is such vehement hostility. Is it women that you hate? Americans? Or yourself? I'm simply responding to the post with my input, same as you, same as everyone else in this thread. I'm pointing out that sometimes what we think we would do is different from what we actually would do when confronted with the situation ourselves - and that what we say we will do can be something else entirely. It's easy for people on a web board to claim they'd smash the coach's head in, but I have to wonder about the reality. If you don't like what I have to say, ignore it. I'd be pleased as punch if you did. Now I suggest you see a doctor about removing that bug you have up your ass .............. It's probably that you always have to play the victim card and come across as smug when what you're saying is so blatantly obvious (and yet you come across as if it's not). You remind me of that judge on that TV show (I think it's called "The Good Wife") where the lawyers always have to end a sentence by saying "in my opinion." Um, of course it's "in my opinion." I'm posting on an opinion forum - WTF else would it be? Like Duh!!! And that's the feeling I get whenever I read one of your posts. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Guest American Woman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 ....that's the feeling I get whenever I read one of your posts. And I'm saying that's your problem. I respond, give my input, same as anyone else. If you have a problem with it, it stems from you. I might add that such a reaction is generally the problem of a small man with little self respect. My advice holds. Don't read my posts; don't respond to them. I generally have nothing to say in response to you, yet there you are - reacting so strongly to my posts. Go figure. Quote
msj Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 My apologies for the thread hijack. We really don't need to go through that kind of crap here. So back on topic. Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Guest American Woman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 My apologies for the thread hijack. We really don't need to go through that kind of crap here. So back on topic. Good. My ignoring you certainly wasn't preventing such responses, so hopefully you're true to your word and this is the end of it. Quote
msj Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Good. My ignoring you certainly wasn't preventing such responses, so hopefully you're true to your word and this is the end of it. My apologies are not to you - they are to the other people who come here. I'm sure in the future I will find your posts as grating as ever and will post appropriately (as I did in post #48 above - which was on topic). Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
cybercoma Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Even so, sixteen is not ten. This is a strange comment. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it appears that you're suggesting it's more acceptable to keep hush-hush about a 16-year-old than a 10-year-old being raped, sexually assaulted or otherwise molested. Neither is acceptable at all and I'm sure (hoping) that isn't what you meant. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 My point is that this kind of thing happens all over the place and there are lots of people who know, or should know, and who have not, and will continue to not do the right thing at the right time. It's shameful but that's humanity for you. Oh, and I don't think being 16 makes rape any more or less right than being ten. (Ok, bad joke, bad joke). Here you are making bad jokes about rape and you have the nerve to call me a creep? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 My apologies are not to you - they are to the other people who come here. I'm sure in the future I will find your posts as grating as ever and will post appropriately (as I did in post #48 above - which was on topic). :lol: Yeah, a post all about me is "on topic." Keep responding about me if you must - the problem, your obsession, is apparently beyond anyone's control..... Quote
olp1fan Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 the penn state students still don't get it...they are still supporting a man who knew of this assistant coach (his buddy) sexually molesting minors, what the f***? they want to give Paterno the f'n game ball if they win today what the f***? I have seen it all Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 :lol: Yeah, a post all about me is "on topic." Keep responding about me if you must - the problem, your obsession, is apparently beyond anyone's control..... It's a disease...and it is spreading to other members. They don't know how to handle "foreigners" with sharp tongues...or French! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 the penn state students still don't get it...they are still supporting a man who knew of this assistant coach (his buddy) sexually molesting minors, what the f***? they want to give Paterno the f'n game ball if they win today Not a problem...they lost. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
olp1fan Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 Not a problem...they lost. good, evil people the lot of them Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 good, evil people the lot of them Well, at least they didn't murder people and steal panties! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
olp1fan Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) Well, at least they didn't murder people and steal panties! yes Canada has their sick f***S too in high up positions but I didn't see any Canadian defend him and the military didn't try to cover it up Edited November 12, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 good, evil people the lot of them The players on the football field have nothing to do with this... This is a problem that the administration of the team (including JoPa) and the university have dealt with poorly,to say the least... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 yes Canada has their sick f***S too in high up positions but I didn't see any Canadian defend him and the military didn't try to cover it up Yes they did....they were so embarrassed...by...the....PANTIES! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 The players on the football field have nothing to do with this... This is a problem that the administration of the team (including JoPa) and the university have dealt with poorly,to say the least... It sounds as if there was support for JoePa from players and fans: After Nebraska had taken a 10-0 lead, fans began chanting, “JoePa, JoePa, JoePa,” at the beginning of the second half and again at the start of the fourth quarter in an futile effort to inspire their team. There will always be a hard core group of Paterno loyalists — including 80 former players on the sidelines — who will lionize their coach. Two unidentified men were seen kneeling in prayer in front of Paterno’s home at 7:15 a.m., a young boy sat on his father’s shoulders, waving a placard that read, “Joe Pa Got Screwed” and students showed up dressed like Paterno, complete with trademark coke bottle glasses. link What kind of father would involve his young son in this - having him hold such a placard? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 ....What kind of father would involve his young son in this - having him hold such a placard? I can think of many fathers who would do so....Joe Pa may have made a mistake in not taking more vigorous actions, but he did not ignore the alleged crime or participate. He did get screwed as the highest profile member of Penn State's AD. It's not so clear cut a case without all the facts for culpability by law enforcement in previous allegations. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 (edited) I can think of many fathers who would do so....Joe Pa may have made a mistake in not taking more vigorous actions, but he did not ignore the alleged crime or participate. He did get screwed as the highest profile member of Penn State's AD. From what I've read, he did ignore it by not reporting it. How do you figure he got screwed? But even if he did, I object to using a child to get this message out. It's obviously the father's sentiment. It's not so clear cut a case without all the facts for culpability by law enforcement in previous allegations. He himself says that he should have done more. Edited November 12, 2011 by American Woman Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 From what I've read, he did ignore it by not reporting it. How do you figure he got screwed? No more than anybody else...he did report what he was told to his superiors. Joe Pa was not a witness to the allegations. But even if he did, I object to using a child to get this message out. It's obviously the father's sentiment. I don't...Joe Pa represents another side of investment in children that is far greater than any single perp that may have been on staff at Penn State. He has helped far more kids in his lifetime. He himself says that he should have done more. Sure, but he didn't. He made a mistake in judgement, not a crime as far as we know. Far worse perps have been allowed to make mistakes and not lose their jobs. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted November 12, 2011 Report Posted November 12, 2011 No more than anybody else...he did report what he was told to his superiors. Joe Pa was not a witness to the allegations. Good point. I guess I was getting caught up in the heat of it all - best to stick to my earlier decision to 'wait and see.' Quote
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