Michael Hardner Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Did you not read my prev. posts on this topic... No, I didn't see them. Those are good points. How about the consumer ? Will they benefit from this ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 38% of farmers reject the CWB. By Conservative math that's a strong majority mandate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Anyone see the ads for http://www.stopthesteamroller.ca/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 If he didn't follow through on campaign promises then he'd be bad for not doing so. I've seen another ad running in Ontario that is extremely unethical, at least the incorrect Harper quote is. Most people buy into it not realizing what was actually said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 If he didn't follow through on campaign promises then he'd be bad for not doing so. It was never mentioned during the campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 No, I didn't see them. Those are good points. How about the consumer ? Will they benefit from this ? The consumer won't be affected one bit by this. The cwb had to go in the world market just like everyone else. The steamroller ad is a joke. Fearmongering at its finest. You'd have to be pretty ignorant to drink that kool-aid. Some farmers do vote liberal, those are those 50 or less people you see at cwb rallies. Not really a consensus of farmers on the issue with numbers at a rally like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 It was never mentioned during the campaign. Shenanigans!!! It was most definately on the campaign trail. Hell he went to a farm and laid it out as a plank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 The consumer won't be affected one bit by this. Ok. I'm learning now. They have to sell at the world price, so why is marketing even required ? Sorry but I'm new to this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Ok. I'm learning now. They have to sell at the world price, so why is marketing even required ? Sorry but I'm new to this issue. Some feel that the board can do a good job of timing the market and some can't. Then there was volume and quantity some felt could swing the market. There are studies on both sides of the issue which makes it such a fierce debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGreenthumb Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 It works like for wheat. You have to market through them...except if they can't sell a certain fish, you get nothing for it. You can't sell it on your own. No actually that is not true. You can apply for a liscence to sell outside the board, you just cant sell a fish that is marketed by Freshwater into a market that is serviced by Freshwater. Most of the fishers support Freshwater, there is a small minority of fishers who are angry at Freshwater over a dispute with their liscence to sell mullet, because they broke their contract by selling mullet into the New York Kosher market. This market pays the most for mullet so by by-passing Freshwater these people can get a higher price for their mullet. The problem is that the higher prices in this market help subsidize the lower prices paid for mullet in other areas, so that all the fishers can get a stable price. The FFc's administration cost cost per pound of fish sold increases' when they lose this profitable market, meaning that the pickeral fishers end up getting less for their fish than they would if their profits weren't being cut into to help stablize the price of rough fish like mullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 No actually that is not true. You can apply for a liscence to sell outside the board, you just cant sell a fish that is marketed by Freshwater into a market that is serviced by Freshwater. Which is absolutely ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGreenthumb Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Which is absolutely ridiculous. Says you? Supply chain management is what keeps the family farm and fishery alive. It helps spread the wealth in the industry between more people, giving more families spending power. Removing these protections will only result in more wealth being concentrated in fewer hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Says you? Did you think I was saying it on behalf of someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Says you? Supply chain management is what keeps the family farm and fishery alive. It helps spread the wealth in the industry between more people, giving more families spending power. Removing these protections will only result in more wealth being concentrated in fewer hands. The only thing supply management creates is a house of cards. It sends false market signals to producers which causes them to misallocate resources. It also screws with trade agreements around the world, which Canada as a major exporter is a beneficiary from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Some people have decided that they would force the federal government to retreat from its promise to free western farmers from the Wheat Board monopoly, and it seems the Wheat Board has not made any effort to prepare for participating in a competitive market. From their behaviour to date, I expect that when legislation to remove the Wheat Board monopoly is passed, the Wheat Board directors will resign and refuse to continue operations. What we are witnessing is a clash of ideologies; some who wish to retain the monopoly system are lifetime socialists who will never admit that western farmers can prosper in a competitive environment. The government is committed to allowing western farmers to enjoy the fruits of their labours without undue restriction. I suppose some of the children are fearful of leaving the nest, afraid that big government won't watch over them anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I suppose some of the children are fearful of leaving the nest, afraid that big government won't watch over them anymore. Uh... the CWB isn't "government". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Uh... the CWB isn't "government". No but it's the gov't that has kept the CWB board and is now making it optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlkenny Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 there are lots of potential problems with losing the CWB, smaller farmers could get squeezed out(higher unemployment), more corporate farms, higher food prices...once it's gone there will be no bringing it back and we'll have to deal the consequences good or BAD...I not aware of any studies that have looked into the long term effects of this proposal...the system works as it is most farmers want to keep it, do you break something up that works?.. Who said it works? Farmers in the east are not bound by CWB regulations and they have not been squeezed out of existence. In fact the farmers in the west have been paid 1960s prices for grain for more than 40 years now and are still in existence despite the constantly rising costs associated with farming. An open and fair market will provide farmers with options and that is good for everybody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 1) I really appreciate BlueBloods Insight into the CWB. I also appreciate his level tone of argument and discussion. He really puts the discussion first and is credible in his "choice". I have read a number of really nutjob posts in this thread, especially trying to advocate a "PRO" by blowing smoke up peoples butt. And other counter arguments that are completely off topic. 2) I believe the majority of Farmers and Not the government should have the final say, and then the government do as asked. This Wheat Board has been around on the block once before, and of course the biggest fear is bankruptcy when things go south. But that is the decision of the farmers. Some would argue that the agri business is too big to fail, like it did in the 20s, and then again in the 30s. 3) Australia Privatized its wheat board in 1999. Cool things happened like illegal kickbacks to Saddam Hussein in the years following privatization. Greed has no limits. It farmers choice to how they want to gamble their harvests and their money. There can't be a CWB and a PRivate option. It has to be one or the other. One works and provides a stable option. The other can work and yes, there will be fallout, and there will also be ALOT of money made, especially by a selected group. Just don't come back to the government with Hat in Hand when things go South. But thats what does happen. When the goings good, everyones happy and when the **IT HITS the FAN, then its handout time for the Agri Business. That happens all the time in other countries and in Canadian Agricultural sectors that have no Single desk marketing. The Federal Conservative Government has decided that the CWB is to go. Some 38% of Farmers will support this. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 Who said it works? Farmers in the east are not bound by CWB regulations and they have not been squeezed out of existence. LMFAO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 1) I really appreciate BlueBloods Insight into the CWB. I also appreciate his level tone of argument and discussion. He really puts the discussion first and is credible in his "choice". I have read a number of really nutjob posts in this thread, especially trying to advocate a "PRO" by blowing smoke up peoples butt. And other counter arguments that are completely off topic. 2) I believe the majority of Farmers and Not the government should have the final say, and then the government do as asked. This Wheat Board has been around on the block once before, and of course the biggest fear is bankruptcy when things go south. But that is the decision of the farmers. Some would argue that the agri business is too big to fail, like it did in the 20s, and then again in the 30s. 3) Australia Privatized its wheat board in 1999. Cool things happened like illegal kickbacks to Saddam Hussein in the years following privatization. Greed has no limits. It farmers choice to how they want to gamble their harvests and their money. There can't be a CWB and a PRivate option. It has to be one or the other. One works and provides a stable option. The other can work and yes, there will be fallout, and there will also be ALOT of money made, especially by a selected group. Just don't come back to the government with Hat in Hand when things go South. But thats what does happen. When the goings good, everyones happy and when the **IT HITS the FAN, then its handout time for the Agri Business. That happens all the time in other countries and in Canadian Agricultural sectors that have no Single desk marketing. The Federal Conservative Government has decided that the CWB is to go. Some 38% of Farmers will support this. Good luck. The only way the board won't survive in the new market is if farmers don't support it and management makes bad decisions. Out west, co-op stores and bulk fuel have a huge market share and they compete against the big boys. There was lots of producer run elevators/delivery points except during the 70s they got too large too fast and they had to abandon their business model. There is willpower out west to make these things work in a competitive market. I'm sure you are aware of the massive investments going onin western canadian ag. Given how things are going, to say that canadian ag is in serious trouble because the cwb is gone is a little over the top. What's really telling is how many people showed up for cwb rallies. More people show up for high school volleyball tournements than attend those rallies. Not looking good for the friends of the cwb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 You want to know what the elimination of the wheat board will do? Take a look at what the McCains did to potato farmers in New Brunswick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 You want to know what the elimination of the wheat board will do? Take a look at what the McCains did to potato farmers in New Brunswick. If you don't know what I'm talking about, CBC has a historical archive for documenting Canadian history (at least until its privatized) with a section on it. http://archives.cbc.ca/economy_business/agriculture/clips/11810/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 You want to know what the elimination of the wheat board will do? Take a look at what the McCains did to potato farmers in New Brunswick. Oh please. That's just fear mongering. We have a free canola. Oats, lentils, mustard, etc. Market, yet there isn't a big panic about that. Please explain why that is. Oh and adm just announced a 200 million litre biodiesel plant in lloydminster. Those greedy corporate bastards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Frankly, I don't know what the wheat producer are putting in their wheat or if its the bread maker, but I don't like the way bread is tasting. I guess we'll have to wait for Oct 9th,2014, to see how many of those western farmer's feel betrayed by Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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