lukin Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) Frankly, I don't know what the wheat producer are putting in their wheat or if its the bread maker, but I don't like the way bread is tasting. I guess we'll have to wait for Oct 9th,2014, to see how many of those western farmer's feel betrayed by Harper. They won't feel betrayed with more $$$ in their pockets along with a greater sense of freedom. Edited November 17, 2011 by lukin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 Frankly, I don't know what the wheat producer are putting in their wheat or if its the bread maker, but I don't like the way bread is tasting. I guess we'll have to wait for Oct 9th,2014, to see how many of those western farmer's feel betrayed by Harper. Do you think us farmers only grow wheat and barley and rely 100 percent on the wheat board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 The next election is in 2015, not 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 2) I believe the majority of Farmers and Not the government should have the final say, and then the government do as asked. This Wheat Board has been around on the block once before, and of course the biggest fear is bankruptcy when things go south. But that is the decision of the farmers. Some would argue that the agri business is too big to fail, like it did in the 20s, and then again in the 30s. As an Easterner Max, I'd just like to say that those western farmers should know their place! Just because our farmers in the East have the freedom to sell to whoever they want is no reason why a farmer in Saskatchewan or Alberta is entitled to the same! Canada's entire history is based on those western farmers not having the rights of eastern ones! Again, do they not know their place? Have they no respect for tradition! Keep the CWB, I say! And tighten things up even more, to include all those other crops they've been selling in freedom! Damn revisionists want to change everything! They should take the price for the wheat that the Board tells them and ship it to Ontario, paying a big Crow rate for the rail charges! Then we'll grind it into flour here, bake it into bread and ship it back to them, telling THEM what they'll have to pay for it! It was good enough for our fathers and our grandfathers! It's good enough for today and tomorrow too! 'Nuff said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukin Posted November 17, 2011 Report Share Posted November 17, 2011 As an Easterner Max, I'd just like to say that those western farmers should know their place! Just because our farmers in the East have the freedom to sell to whoever they want is no reason why a farmer in Saskatchewan or Alberta is entitled to the same! Canada's entire history is based on those western farmers not having the rights of eastern ones! Again, do they not know their place? Have they no respect for tradition! Keep the CWB, I say! And tighten things up even more, to include all those other crops they've been selling in freedom! Damn revisionists want to change everything! They should take the price for the wheat that the Board tells them and ship it to Ontario, paying a big Crow rate for the rail charges! Then we'll grind it into flour here, bake it into bread and ship it back to them, telling THEM what they'll have to pay for it! It was good enough for our fathers and our grandfathers! It's good enough for today and tomorrow too! 'Nuff said! I would love to see the reaction of western farmers if they were told they HAD to sell their CANOLA to the CWB. Then we would see some irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Exactly !!! And why is the wheat board spending 1.4 million of taxpayer's money to advertise in Ontario, the WCWG is in favour of allowing farmers to sell their wheat and barley on the open market. - oh the horror. http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/our-communities/headliner/Farmers-fire-back-at-CWB-with-their-own-lawsuit-133539288.html Farmer’s fire back at CWB with their own lawsuit WCWGA say CWB has no right to spend farmers money on a political campaign I wonder why they are doing it after losing a legal batter over advertising last year. http://www.benlobb.com/media_/riding-news/conservative-government-wins-legal-battle-with-canadian-wheat-board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 oh... wait... apparently, a plebiscite was needed! Agriculture Minister breached Wheat Board Act, judge rules A federal court judge has dealt a blow to the federal government's plan to end the Canadian Wheat Board's monopoly over the sale of wheat grown in Western Canada.In a ruling today, Federal Court Judge Douglas Campbell said the government violated the Canadian Wheat Board Act by not holding a vote among farmers before introducing legislation eliminating the Wheat Board's monopoly position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Breaking the law, contempt of parliament, breaching privilege, misappropriation of funds... How much crap does this party need to step in before people open their damn eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Breaking the law, contempt of parliament, breaching privilege, misappropriation of funds... How much crap does this party need to step in before people open their damn eyes. Give it time...It's only been 8 months of what will likely be a 4 to 5 year mandate... The Dossier of Doom for the CCRAPpers is growing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 At this rate the governments likely to fall before their mandate is up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 At this rate the governments likely to fall before their mandate is up Could you tell us how that's possible in a majority situation??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Could you tell us how that's possible in a majority situation??? It won't happen, but there needs to be a rift in the party. A large group of Conservatives will have to split off as a way to disassociate themselves with the negativity and corruption within the party. They would vote with the opposition to bring down the other half of the party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 It won't happen, but there needs to be a rift in the party. A large group of Conservatives will have to split off as a way to disassociate themselves with the negativity and corruption within the party. They would vote with the opposition to bring down the other half of the party. I suppose it's possible,but it would have to be some sort of legislative initiative that was so onerous and kooked out that it offended most of the sitting MP's but Harper and his cabinet minions were going to try to ram something like that through anyway... Some of these folks are dense,but I don't think they are THAT dense?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp1fan Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) Could you tell us how that's possible in a majority situation??? large enough scandal .. angry cpc voters, rifts in parties... majorities can fall more often than you realize harper muzzling his mps for 4 yrs is too long without something breaking Edited December 7, 2011 by olp1fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 (edited) large enough scandal .. angry cpc voters, rifts in parties... majorities can fall more often than you realize harper muzzling his mps for 4 yrs is too long without something breaking I just don't see it happening. He cares about being in power too much. That's why he has others take the bullet for him (ie, Oda, Clement, Baird, MacKay). The Omnibus Crime Bill was rammed through parliament, we pulled out of Kyoto (which was inevitable anyway), and the courts ruled against them not having a plebicite for the CWB... conveniently, Peter Mackay took a questionable helicopter ride at the same time and has now made the absurd claim that he's going to sue the opposition over their criticism: "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" Edited December 7, 2011 by cybercoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosopherKing Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 oh... wait... apparently, a plebiscite was needed! Agriculture Minister breached Wheat Board Act, judge rules I find this odd, to say the least. The wheat board is clearly a monopolistic and anti-competitive agency which is, I believe, against a number of world treaties Canada is a signatory of. I know of no rule or law in this country which cannot be changed without a plebiscite. I know of no law which can stop the government from changing it, or doing away with it, other than the constitution. No matter what that law says, another law can do away with it. That is the way parliaments operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Weber Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 large enough scandal .. angry cpc voters, rifts in parties... majorities can fall more often than you realize harper muzzling his mps for 4 yrs is too long without something breaking So...Other than wishful thinking,not a whole lot?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 I find this odd, to say the least. The wheat board is clearly a monopolistic and anti-competitive agency which is, I believe, against a number of world treaties Canada is a signatory of. I know of no rule or law in this country which cannot be changed without a plebiscite. I know of no law which can stop the government from changing it, or doing away with it, other than the constitution. No matter what that law says, another law can do away with it. That is the way parliaments operate. The court says no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grogy Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 large enough scandal .. angry cpc voters, rifts in parties... majorities can fall more often than you realize harper muzzling his mps for 4 yrs is too long without something breaking More often then we realize, tell us, when has this happened before in Canada, and how many times total? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 More often then we realize, tell us, when has this happened before in Canada, and how many times total? You don't think the rift between Chretien and Martin was one of the ipllars in that party's downfall? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacee Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 The court says no. I'll grant Harper the right to appeal, But never say "never". A Federal Court judge in Winnipeg ruled Wednesday that Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz breached the Canadian Wheat Board Act by making changes without holding a plebiscite for producers. During a news conference later in the day, Ritz said the government will appeal the ruling and will aim to pass the legislation by the end of the year as planned. "Let me be clear, we will never reconsider western wheat and barley farmers' fundamental rights to market their own wheat and barley," Ritz said. Justice Douglas Campbell wrote in the court decision. Canadian Wheat Board chairman Allen Oberg ... is scheduled to address a Senate committee on Thursday and said he will urge them to halt the legislation. Pushing through the bill before the courts hear the appeal would show "contempt not only for farmers but for the whole democratic system," he told Evan Solomon on the CBC-TV's Power and Politics. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2011/12/07/mb-wheat-board-court-decision-winnipeg.html?cmp=rss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 (edited) our zealous leader is so gung ho to dismantle the wheat board why doesn't he dismantle the same process that is used by the dairy industry ...like that will ever happen Edited December 8, 2011 by wyly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Bill Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 our zealous leader is so gung ho to dismantle the wheat board why doesn't he dismantle the same process that is used by the dairy industry ...like that will ever happen I agree! Although the cost of doing so would likely be the separation of Quebec. You still can't sell margarine that's too close in colour to butter in that province! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 I just don't see it happening. He cares about being in power too much. That's why he has others take the bullet for him (ie, Oda, Clement, Baird, MacKay). The Omnibus Crime Bill was rammed through parliament, we pulled out of Kyoto (which was inevitable anyway), and the courts ruled against them not having a plebicite for the CWB... conveniently, Peter Mackay took a questionable helicopter ride at the same time and has now made the absurd claim that he's going to sue the opposition over their criticism: "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" Agreed! Conservatives only care about power and will do anything to maintain their grip! Morals?Power first,morals eventually if ever! Wow I remember after the election all the conservatives on this forum were saying that the NDP couldn't go more than two weaks without one of their rookie MPs making a serious gaff! And my God look at what is happening now! Harper wishes he had team NDP instead of his baggage and crew! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 There was a vote held by the CWB itself though. More than one farmer said he wanted the right to market his own grain. Now they'll have the right. The same rights that famers of other grains already have. The same rights that wheat farmers have in the east. Personally, I can't believe that these communist boards were ever allowed to exist in the first place. A cooperative that they all can join is great, but that they HAVE TO sell to? Are you freaking kidding me? Where do we live, North Korea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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