OCCUPY

[Pliny]

They have every right to be worked up over the blatant stupidity that is allowed by your government, which affects the rest of the world. However, protesting here is not going to change US federal politics. They should pack a suitcase and go to Oakland or New York.

It's the stupidity of their government? Then why aren't the protestors in Washington?

Of course, it is the stupidity of government. The current economic crisis is a crisis of shrunken government revenues that limits its ability to meet it's economic commitments and liabilities. The man on the street wouldn't be so bad off if the current adminstration laid out some parameters for business to live under but they haven't. Barack Obama hasn't said how high he will hike taxes and no one knows how much it will cost them to institute the affordable health care act. It isn't too much of a problem if taxes are high and business can calculate the costs but they can't calculate the costs. Certainly high taxes will stifle some business activity but not knowing what your costs are will stifle a heck of a lot more.

The bailout of Wall street was to save the investments of the likes of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank on Wall Street not to save Wall Street.

The government doesn't have to treat Wall St. like children. They are adults and should expect to suffer the consequences of their actions.

The real governor of business is the consumer. They will dictate what business will do. An example is the Bank of America backing off the $5 debit fee. It's the market and conmpetition that should determine the winners and losers in business and not government regulation and monopoly privileges.

[bush_cheney2004]

You're such a goof. I'm not criticizing your government as a way of turning a blind eye to what our government does.

Then why aren't the protesters focused on what your government does? It's almost as if they think Canada is just a proxy and puppet for what the 'Merkins do anyway. They have the urge to protest...something...because the Americans are doing it?

Borders are more loosely defined for younger people. I think it's hard for older people to understand that. This generation is connected to all corners of the earth via the internet.

That's probably true, but us "older people" were actually connected by traveling there on a ship or plane. National borders and nationalism is still very much alive and well. And of course, the "internet" came from American DoD investment.

Businesses are more transnational now than ever. If you were born around 1980 or later, your conception of each nation being in its own bubble would be seriously undermined by our way of life today. All that to say, I don't think mthey think they're Americans at all. Instead, I think people are increasingly becoming aware of the arbitrary nature of borders.

They can think that as they please, until they try to cross the border physically. The borders are real, and access to the internet is not guaranteed by any government. I work with other nationals from many parts of the world, but they have no confusion about what USA or Canada means.

[WWWTT]

Occupying Canada was ridiculous from day 1. We don't have the same problems here as they do in the US. Unless these protestors come to terms on electoral reform or reform of any sort, it's nothing more than a gesture of support for the movement in the United States. Protesting in Canada for change in the United States is just plain stupid.

Absolutely disagree!

We have issues right here right now!

True our situation is somewhat different from the US,but not inadmissable.

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[cybercoma]

Then why aren't the protesters focused on what your government does? It's almost as if they think Canada is just a proxy and puppet for what the 'Merkins do anyway. They have the urge to protest...something...because the Americans are doing it?

I don't know. Why don't you leave your house sometime and travel to one of the Occupy Canada sites and ask them.

They can think that as they please, until they try to cross the border physically. The borders are real, and access to the internet is not guaranteed by any government. I work with other nationals from many parts of the world, but they have no confusion about what USA or Canada means.

Your corporations and government are certainly confused about what national sovereignty means.

[cybercoma]

Absolutely disagree!

We have issues right here right now!

True our situation is somewhat different from the US,but not inadmissable.

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If that's the case, I would certainly like to see these protestors more active in mobilizing knowledge. It's funny that AdBusters out of Vancouver can promote and organize this protest in the United States, but have been more or less silent about the issues here.

[bjre]

The wealth didn't go anywhere. The lowest earners are doing about the same as they were however the improvements in the economy have gone only to the top, since they own the technology that eliminates well-paying jobs, they invest in emerging markets and so on.

I'm wondering, though, if anybody has good information on where the 1% is receiving their disproportional increases in wealth from.

I have said many times that technology will come when the knowledge is available, and there is a demand, and there is money. Any one can "invent" it with that.

It is ridicules that technology is use for make profit for just a small group of people with patent and many other laws.

Plus most who "own" technology does not create the technology, they just buy it, or buy people to invent it.

They use money to rob more money from the people who create it, just like some people rob money in the market make future oil price higher and make every consumer pay for it in the future. Those are just blood suckers.

If you really care about that, each time when you go to wash room and use paper, you should pay money to the descent who invent paper.

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't know. Why don't you leave your house sometime and travel to one of the Occupy Canada sites and ask them.

But you said I don't need to do that anymore, as we are one big happy global vilage, right? So please tell me young and hip Canadian...why is the focus on America using American social networking tools? Hate America but love her apps!

Your corporations and government are certainly confused about what national sovereignty means.

No more than people "born after 1980" according to you. The internet transcends sovereignty, right? Corporatists were one of the first to leverage the technology and sell products to consumers that does the same...so some can protest the corporatists. You can't make this kind of comedy up if you tried!

[Shwa]

If that's the case, I would certainly like to see these protestors more active in mobilizing knowledge. It's funny that AdBusters out of Vancouver can promote and organize this protest in the United States, but have been more or less silent about the issues here.

Read a few back issues, they address Canadian specific issues. But on the whole they are more like Greenpeace by focusing on problems that have international implications.

[bjre]

But you said I don't need to do that anymore, as we are one big happy global vilage, right? So please tell me young and hip Canadian...why is the focus on America using American social networking tools? Hate America but love her apps!

I don't Hate America, but it is not accurate to call those "American" tools, apps.

Because the people who invent it, and construct it are from other counties, and the computer it used to create that tool are made in other nations.

And the politicians here can not elected without financial and media support from America, so that companies under the laws they made can only either bankrupt like Nortel or be bought by American companies like ATI so that even Canadians work hard, we can only use "American" products with "American" technologies.

Edited November 4, 2011 by bjre

[Michael Hardner]

I have said many times that technology will come when the knowledge is available, and there is a demand, and there is money. Any one can "invent" it with that.

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If you really care about that, each time when you go to wash room and use paper, you should pay money to the descent who invent paper.

Interesting point. I didn't say it was right, though, I just stated a fact. Also, how you would make change to these things is difficult to see.

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't Hate America, but it is not accurate to call those "American" tools, apps.

Because the people who invent it, and construct it are from other counties, and the computer it used to create that tool are made in other nations.

Thank you for falling into my trap...again. You have discovered the fundamental strength of America...people from all over the world come to America for that very opportunity, and America exports opportunity to the world. Isn't it wonderful?

And the politicians here can not elected without financial and media support from America, so that companies under the laws they made can only either bankrupt like Nortel or be bought by American companies like ATI so that even Canadians work hard, we can only use "American" products with "American" technologies.

ATI was founded in Markham, Ontario, which is still in Canada last I checked. AMD bought ATI about five years ago. Canadian companies buy American firms too. Big fish eat little fish...but you already knew that.

[bjre]

Thank you for falling into my trap...again. You have discovered the fundamental strength of America...people from all over the world come to America for that very opportunity, and America exports opportunity to the world. Isn't it wonderful?

It is because US keep paying small and take higher value from all other countries with the help of the international laws, with its bank systems and many others. So wealth all over the world keeps be robbed to the US, so that people who want a better life attracted to the country, again, the new immigrants give out more and take less.

ATI was founded in Markham, Ontario, which is still in Canada last I checked. AMD bought ATI about five years ago. Canadian companies buy American firms too. Big fish eat little fish...but you already knew that.

The question is why Canadian companies are not able to grow into big fishes?

The law make it. The law makes Canadian companies need to have heavier cost in tax and labour tax cost, labour social service cost, government employee cost and many others.

And the law makers were grown up under the influence of American media/movie/TV, so their value system is the traps that they fall into.

[bush_cheney2004]

It is because US keep paying small and take higher value from all other countries with the help of the international laws, with its bank systems and many others. So wealth all over the world keeps be robbed to the US, so that people who want a better life attracted to the country, again, the new immigrants give out more and take less.

We have already had this conversation many times...people vote with their feet. Many come to Canada....many many more came to America. If the "other countries" can only compete by stealing intellectual property, then they are doomed to wait on America for the next thing to steal.

The question is why Canadian companies are not able to grow into big fishes?

The law make it. The law makes Canadian companies need to have heavier cost in tax and labour tax cost, labour social service cost, government employee cost and many others.

And the law makers were grown up under the influence of American media/movie/TV, so their value system is the traps that they fall into.

Really? Even if that was true (it isn't), nobody forces Canada to watch American media. RIM manages to compete quiote well, after it settles patent lawsuits!

[PIK]

They are ruining confederation park in ottawa,there are now bringing in lumber and heater and heavy tents to stay the winter. The police will not even go in to investigate the theft, sexual assaults and other stuff that is going on there as we speak. The true protesters have left and the scum is staying put. Time to remove them before they embarress the country come NOV 11. I really hope these fools do not use this to go after our veterens and make a mockery out of it. If they do, then we send in the army and drag them out by their ears.

[Shwa]

If they do, then we send in the army and drag them out by their ears.

Did they forget to give you the oxycontin pill today gramps?

[Shady]

Well, the stupid occupiers in London have finally been given their notice to leave. Go figure, you can't camp in a city park for an infinite amount of time. Nobody knows who they're protesting against anyways. Nobody in London, Ontario has anything to do with Wall Street.

[PIK]

Did they forget to give you the oxycontin pill today gramps?

I'm not sure.

[Guest Derek L]

Was there a vote taken? Because that is democracy at work. Taking polls isn't science, it's politics and often unreliable politics.

85% of the population support what they are doing. See? Anyone can make shit up.

Didn’t we have an election a few months back? I’d think if you looked at the results of the last election, and compared them with this poll, the numbers fore and against could easily represent the CPC and the NDP, with traditional centrist Liberal voters split between the two……….I guess when Mayor Robertson gets his court injunction in the coming days, and gives them the boot, we’ll see if the silent “99%” rise up.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNIdqu7crW8

[Guest Derek L]

Are they sure taking away the water is a good idea? That almost seems criminal to me.

How is it criminal? I have family that pay property taxes in Victoria…….and all British Columbians pay BC Hydro……Why should the campers get water and power free at their “campsite”……..If you go to a provincial camp ground you have to pay………They are still getting water for “free” in the public washrooms……….

[bjre]

How is it criminal? I have family that pay property taxes in Victoria…….and all British Columbians pay BC Hydro……Why should the campers get water and power free at their “campsite”……..If you go to a provincial camp ground you have to pay………They are still getting water for “free” in the public washrooms……….

That is not the point. Even they don't use "free" public wash rooms in that Park, they use other "free" public wash rooms in other parks. And the "free" water is too small amount of money compare with the banks take free interest from everyone who use mortgage, why "free"? because the The reserve requirement (or cash reserve ratio) is zero in Canada. But only private banks can do that, the laws do not allow others to do that, so it is the laws that make only private banks can rob money based on nothing. That is why people work hard and they can not afford their own house without bank, no matter how many wealth you create, the law makes banks to rob it all, sometimes, I think most people are just same as the small rat on a wheel, keep running and running. And let the money they created be robbed away.

[Guest Derek L]

Mayor says Occupy Vancouver may be forcibly removed

Love this gem.........real good way to win the public over:

A camp spokeswoman, who only gave her name as Kiki, said Friday morning that the protesters don't recognize the authority of police, firefighters or other city officials in the camp.

Kiki said the protesters would take their own measures to make the camp safer, including taking down some tarps, but would not necessarily comply with all the fire department's demands.

The protesters also said they would resist any attempts by armed police to enter the camp on the lawn of the Vancouver Art Gallery.

They said the camp is an autonomous and weapons-free community, and that city officials would be welcome as individuals but not recognized in their official capacity.

A couple of phone calls are all that’s required: Mayor of Vancouver--> British Columbia’s Solicitor General---> Premier’s office of British Columbia---> Federal Minister of Public Safety--> Minister of Department of National Defence--->Prime Minister's office all to achieve this:

Emergencies Act

Orders and regulations

19. (1) While a declaration of a public order emergency is in effect, the Governor in Council may make such orders or regulations with respect to the following matters as the Governor in Council believes, on reasonable grounds, are necessary for dealing with the emergency:

(a) the regulation or prohibition of

(i) any public assembly that may reasonably be expected to lead to a breach of the peace,

(ii) travel to, from or within any specified area, or

(iii) the use of specified property;

( the designation and securing of protected places;

© the assumption of the control, and the restoration and maintenance, of public utilities and services;

(d) the authorization of or direction to any person, or any person of a class of persons, to render essential services of a type that that person, or a person of that class, is competent to provide and the provision of reasonable compensation in respect of services so rendered; and

(e) the imposition

(i) on summary conviction, of a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars or imprisonment not exceeding six months or both that fine and imprisonment, or

(ii) on indictment, of a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars or imprisonment not exceeding five years or both that fine and imprisonment,

for contravention of any order or regulation made under this section.

They want to put on their “big boy & girl pants” and talk tough and act as if they are a sovereign occupation on Canadian public land?……….Send in the Army and give them something real to bitch about!

Edited November 5, 2011 by Derek L

[bjre]

We have already had this conversation many times...people vote with their feet. Many come to Canada....many many more came to America.

Yes, we have. You've forget what I said. I said when the wealth created by workers in developing countries be robbed to develop countries, the people in developing countries should have the right to go to developed counties to use the wealth they created. Actually, they have used too little amount compare with the value they created.

If the "other countries" can only compete by stealing intellectual property, then they are doomed to wait on America for the next thing to steal.

It looks like that Americans love to steal intellectual property.

China did not know what "search engine" means until West invent it. China quickly copy.

Google's search algorithm is "similar" with the invention by a Chinese but later than him. Actually when Li gave a lecture in Australia was before Pager apply the similar patent, Pager was among the listeners.

http://www.rankdex.com/about.html

RankDex was established in 1996 by Robin Li who previously worked for Infoseek, an Internet search engine in the early years, as an engineer.

RankDex was the leading Internet search provider from 1996-1999. RankDex was the first search engine that used hyperlinks to measure the quality of websites it was indexing. Many experts and commentators are unaware that RankDex was cited in Lawrence Page’s patent application for Google PageRank as the first qualitative search engine. In 1998 RankDex was acquired by a Dow Jones subsidiary Tradeline.com (formerly IDD Information Services and GARI Software Associates).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

A small search engine called "RankDex" from IDD Information Services designed by Robin Li was, since 1996, already exploring a similar strategy for site-scoring and page ranking.[11] The technology in RankDex would be patented by 1999[12] and used later when Li founded Baidu in China.[13][14] Li's work would be referenced by some of Larry Page's U.S. patents for his Google search methods.[15]

[11] ^ Li, Yanhong (August 6, 2002). "Toward a qualitative search engine". Internet Computing, IEEE (IEEE Computer Society) 2 (4): 24–29. doi:10.1109/4236.707687.

[12] ^ USPTO, "Hypertext Document Retrieval System and Method", U.S. Patent number: 5920859, Inventor: Yanhong Li, Filing date: Feb 5, 1997, Issue date: Jul 6, 1999

[15] ^ Cf. especially Lawrence Page, U.S. patents 6,799,176 (2004) "Method for scoring documents in a linked database", 7,058,628 (2006) "Method for node ranking in a linked database", and 7,269,587 (2007) "Scoring documents in a linked database"2011

Really? Even if that was true (it isn't), nobody forces Canada to watch American media.

But when you turn on CBC, CTV, that goes to every house, most of the content are from America. What you can do is only watch it or turn off. Why? law makes Canadian companies cost high and can not compete with American ones.

RIM manages to compete quiote well, after it settles patent lawsuits!

Really? It's revenue is shrinking. Why, the innovation cost is higher here in Canada, law make it so.

Edited November 5, 2011 by bjre

[Guest Derek L]

Got this in an email today.......

I think this guy nailed it!!

[bush_cheney2004]

I think this guy nailed it!!

Sweet....pretty much sums things up. We are laughing at them.

[WWWTT]

Nobody knows who they're protesting against anyways. Nobody in London, Ontario has anything to do with Wall Street.

If you knew would you help or at least have some sympathy?

From your comments I'm going to assume you wouldn't care less.

So why would the OCCUPY protestors waste any time tring to inform you?

WWWTT