OCCUPY

[jacee]

Every year in the Lower Mainland, we hear news stories when the weather get bad (relative term, not like TO) and emergency shelters are set up across the downtown Eastside, many of the mentality ill refuse to go into the shelters……Though I support fully the right of the individual, like dealing with children, I question if we as society should not take their best physical interests into consideration and in fact institutionalize those that are unable to rationally care for themselves. It’s a tough question…..should they be allowed to self dispense their meds and live on the streets or locked up and taken care of……tough question, with no real black or white answer.

No ... no "black or white answer" ... and linear 1%'r thinking has difficulty comprehending anything more complex, like human behaviour ...

I am aware of that ...

But gee ... maybe it would be smart to consider SAFE and SUPPORTED housing in the community for them, as every worker, every report has reccommended since the de-institutionalization program in the '80's ... ya think maybe?

FUNDING would be good.

[Guest Derek L]

No ... no "black or white answer" ... and linear 1%'r thinking has difficulty comprehending anything more complex, like human behaviour ...

I am aware of that ...

But gee ... maybe it would be smart to consider SAFE and SUPPORTED housing in the community for them, as every worker, every report has reccommended since the de-institutionalization program in the '80's ... ya think maybe?

FUNDING would be good.

I asked you already, what do you when the patients choose not to sleep in their “supported homes” and opt for the street? Though not directly related, my wife and I have both done paid & unpaid work for the BCACL and it‘s various sub-organisations……..There is certain synergies associated between both forms of disabilities.

[dre]

...and that's because these wannabees are fundamentally compromised by the very things they are protesting. Hell, the Hippies and Yippies would go on to build today's corporate giants.

This is just a strawman. Large companies and wealthy companies are not the issue. We have had those for many decades and nobody has ever protested them. The underlying issue here is the economic/monetary system and the gambling economy.

This whole refrain about how you cant be concerned about structural problems in our financial system because you own an i-phone or had coffee at starbucks, is one of the most idiotic fallacies to ever hit the internet.

[jacee]

Yes...for the United States...as usual.

It's a global movement ... but we are all very aware of the global influence of US hegemony ... even wiki

The term Monetary Hegemony appeared in Michael Hudson's Super Imperalism, which was first published in 1972. Monetary Hegemony describes not only the asymmetrical relationship that the US dollar has to the global economy, but the strictures of this hegemonic edifice that support it, namely the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. The US dollar continues to underpin the world economy and is the key currency for medium of international exchange, unit of account (e.g. pricing of oil), and unit of storage (e.g. treasury bills and bonds) The international monetary system has borne witness to two monetary hegemons: Britain and the United States.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monetary_hegemony

[bush_cheney2004]

It's a global movement ... but we are all very aware of the global influence of US hegemony ... even wiki

The wiki idea is American too...so much for being ignored by you!

Could Canada have an "Occupy Movement" without the United States?

Edited November 6, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[jbg]

Whoa...Nixon is still regarded as one of the better presidents of the 20th century. History has rehabilitated his image on balance to include Watergate as the last chapter in a long book.

I would rank Nixon with Harding, Fillmore, Buchanan and Pierce. Basically a thug in a three-piece suit.

[WWWTT]

Aren’t we talking about the Canadian perversion in this thread? But if you wish to talk about the worldwide aspects…..How’s Occupy Paris doing? Or Occupy Moscow? Beijing? Tehran? Etc

Tehran and Beijing I believe do not have an OCCUPY protest.

However Canada does have a much harsher climate from November to say sometime in March.

This will probably pick up steam again in the spring.

WWWTT

[bush_cheney2004]

This is just a strawman. Large companies and wealthy companies are not the issue. We have had those for many decades and nobody has ever protested them. The underlying issue here is the economic/monetary system and the gambling economy.

I don't have any problems with gambling...must be your own hang-up, man.

This whole refrain about how you cant be concerned about structural problems in our financial system because you own an i-phone or had coffee at starbucks, is one of the most idiotic fallacies to ever hit the internet.

If you say so, but it is very effective. These losers aren't protesting Wall Street at all, they are protesting their (missing) piece of the action.

[bush_cheney2004]

Tehran and Beijing I believe do not have an OCCUPY protest.

However Canada does have a much harsher climate from November to say sometime in March.

This will probably pick up steam again in the spring.

Oh...how convenient...seasonal protesting.

[jbg]

Well I suppose we’re arguing on two different wave lengths……Subtract that last chapter on the Nixon history, and his record would be garnered with an even higher esteem….

Oh yes.

1. Politically motivated price controls with gunning the money supply (more Guatemalan than American management tactics);
   
2. 12% inflation;
   
3. Gasoline shortages;
   
4. Creating OSHA;
   
5. Creating the EPA;
   
6. Agreeing with Billy Graham that the Jews are wrecking the U.S.;
   
7. Arranging the burglary of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office;
   
8. Making a rambling, distressing set of statements in the wee hours of the morning at the Lincoln Memorial when talking to demonstrators;
   

Great record

[bush_cheney2004]

I would rank Nixon with Harding, Fillmore, Buchanan and Pierce. Basically a thug in a three-piece suit.

Off topic, but Nixon's record stands far above all of those forgettable names.

[bush_cheney2004]

Oh yes.

1. Politically motivated price controls with gunning the money supply (more Guatemalan than American management tactics);
   
2. 12% inflation;
   
3. Gasoline shortages;
   
4. Creating OSHA;
   
5. Creating the EPA;
   
6. Agreeing with Billy Graham that the Jews are wrecking the U.S.;
   
7. Arranging the burglary of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office;
   
8. Making a rambling, distressing set of statements in the wee hours of the morning at the Lincoln Memorial when talking to demonstrators;
   

Great record

Sounds good to me....a man of his time.

[jbg]

Off topic, but Nixon's record stands far above all of those forgettable names.

See here (link) for list of Milhous' accomplishments.

[jacee]

You’re the moral benchmark? Didn’t you refer to myself as approaching “loony tune” territory/land the other day? Your connotation of mental illness and a cartoon series is noted.

As for “supported housing”, what happens when the patients choose not to return?

We don't know. There is none.

We do know they are not safe in the shelters. No one is.

[jbg]

Sounds good to me....a man of his time.

No, a thug who wanted to be re-elected with a large majority at any cost including betraying his country. As much a traitor as Obama.

[Shady]

See here (link) for list of Milhous' accomplishments.

Seems like you're kinda leaving some important stuff out. Why?

[bush_cheney2004]

See here (link) for list of Milhous' accomplishments.

Many are missing....

[bush_cheney2004]

No, a thug who wanted to be re-elected with a large majority at any cost including betraying his country. As much a traitor as Obama.

Oh please...take it to another thread. He was an American president with foibles like any other. Happy to have voted for him instead of McGovern.

[dre]

Oh yes.

1. Politically motivated price controls with gunning the money supply (more Guatemalan than American management tactics);
   
2. 12% inflation;
   
3. Gasoline shortages;
   
4. Creating OSHA;
   
5. Creating the EPA;
   
6. Agreeing with Billy Graham that the Jews are wrecking the U.S.;
   
7. Arranging the burglary of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist's office;
   
8. Making a rambling, distressing set of statements in the wee hours of the morning at the Lincoln Memorial when talking to demonstrators;
   

Great record

Never mind the fact that hes the guy decoupled the value of the dollar from gold which within a few short years lead to the debt spiral seen here...

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/United-States-national-debt.png

[jacee]

The political/economic/democratic model we use needs to be restructured somehow. Not an easy question, but there aren't any good answers so far.

It's complex, takes time ... patience.

[bush_cheney2004]

Never mind the fact that hes the guy decoupled the value of the dollar from gold which within a few short years lead to the debt spiral seen here...

Very good move....Bretton Woods was effectively dead anyway.

[Rick]

The wiki idea is American too...so much for being ignored by you!

Could Canada have an "Occupy Movement" without the United States?

Could the U.S. survive if Mission Viejo were to slide into the pacific ocean were S Cal to have another major earthquake?

Of course it could.

[bush_cheney2004]

Could the U.S. survive if Mission Viejo were to slide into the pacific ocean were S Cal to have another major earthquake?

Of course it could.

If a tree falls in a Canadian forest does it make a noise if not heard by an American?

[Shwa]

How much more specific can it be than that? You wanna have a big fancy protest in many cities, you gotta pull a permit so public safety can be supported. But you already knew that.

If they have grounds. Every major protest had its element in court. But you already knew that.

A lifetime...these losers don't have what it takes. Not the answer you expected, eh?

From you, yes. You always bail out before the plane takes a hit.

[Shwa]

Sure... but where to go from here?

To the next day. What do you expect?