Guest American Woman Posted August 22, 2011 Report Posted August 22, 2011 bush_cheney2004, on 21 August 2011 - 08:50 AM, said: Then why do those same "youth" buy iStuff from Apple, now the largest cap in the world (more than any oil company)? Or any of the other consumer goods from cars to cheap clothing made around the world and possible in no small part because of Big Oil?They are not the youth who protest. ]What?? None of the youth who protest buy iPods or iPhones et al? or cars? or cheap clothing? Way to address/refute something you'd rather wasn't true - simply state that it's not true. That's a great way to make changes happen. Quote
bloodyminded Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 The Tea Party and the American Revolution were guided by Judeo-Christian values, and their results are indisputable. Which Judeo-Christian values? Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
CitizenX Posted August 29, 2011 Report Posted August 29, 2011 Boston Tea Party, French Revolution, October Revolution... BC HST Tax revolt. Quote "The rich people have their lobbyists and the poor people have their feet." The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato
Moonlight Graham Posted August 30, 2011 Report Posted August 30, 2011 " Our Mission On the 17th of On the 17th of see 20,000 people to Manhattan, set up tents, kitchens, peacefu barricades and occupy Wall Street for a few months. You don't need a few months. Have some people go on a hunger strike at the site and you could have similar if not better results in only a couple of weeks or less. Would save on money too, and no need for "kitchens". Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
CPCFTW Posted September 3, 2011 Report Posted September 3, 2011 (edited) Never heard that quote before, although I have to admit it is a good one. However, part of that quote involves the phrase "When they should"... There truly are injustices in the world where people should rise up. The question is whether demanding "Wall street get democratized" is one of them. Not sure what exactly they hope to accomplish.... replace the free market/capitalist system with a communist one? And while its easy to criticize the "greedy capitalist system", ultimately the free market system (and Wallstreet) is based on freedom... people have the option to buy/sell stocks, purchase products from companies, and even if that freedom is based on something as 'crass' as money, you'll still need a good reason to curtail that freedom. Thread should have ended here. It's sad that people try to compare this to protests against dictatorships. Some people complain just for the sake of complaining. If you don't want to invest in wall street, then just store your cash under your mattress or manage your own self-directed accounts. The sad thing is that the recession was caused by poor people defaulting on their mortgages and wiping out billions in collaterallized assets. Yes wall street fucked up in valuing those assets, but the error caused a market correction which the wealthy bore the brunt of anyway. How were people impacted by the credit crisis? Poor people who couldn't afford their homes defaulted and declared bankruptcy. They can no longer borrow hundreds of thousands that they can't afford to repay. The wealthy lost billions upon billions of asset value from the resulting stock market and real estate market crash. What exactly are we protesting here? What did wall street do? Is it that some hedge fund profited by taking short positions against the CMO exposure? So what? Wall street isn't a single entity. Some people make money and some people lose money. If you don't want to lose then don't play the game. The thing about our society is that people are free to do whatever they want. Become self-employed and sell your labour, take the cash from your labour and buy some land then learn carpentry, plumbing, etc. And build yourself a damn home. What does setting up tents and kitchens on wall st accomplish? Just gives hippies an excuse to waste more time thinking they are helping society by loafing around smoking pot and hating on corporations in tinfoil hats. What a joke. Edited September 3, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
jacee Posted September 9, 2011 Author Report Posted September 9, 2011 (edited) It will all become clear ... “One thing we al have in common is that we are the 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%,” according to posts on the Occupy Wall Street website. ... The new American revolutionaries are no longer interested in talk. They want action." http://www.marketwatch.com/story/occupy-wall-street-will-lay-siege-to-us-greed-2011-09-06 The Bay street plan is similar. People will gather sept 17 and hold meetings, and prepare for when the TSX opens Monday morning (or doesn't. It will be peaceful. There is zero interest in the distraction tactic of engaging with police. We pay their salaries: They work for us. I'm sure they have better ways to spend their time and our tax dollars. We are the 99percent ... More news ... http://www.google.ca/m/search?hl=en&tbs=nws%3A1&aq=f&oq=&aqi=p1g5-k0d0t0&fkt=7314&fsdt=12940&cqt=&rst=&htf=&his=&maction=&q=occupy+wall+street http://www.google.ca/m/search?tbs=blg:1&source=mog&hl=en&gl=ca&q=occupy%20wall%20street&sa=N Edited September 9, 2011 by jacee Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted September 9, 2011 Report Posted September 9, 2011 Watch out for the black bloc. Quote
CitizenX Posted September 9, 2011 Report Posted September 9, 2011 Maybe this will be the start of the American version of the French revolution. Off with the heads of bankers? Quote "The rich people have their lobbyists and the poor people have their feet." The price of apathy towards public affairs is to be ruled by evil men. - Plato
August1991 Posted September 9, 2011 Report Posted September 9, 2011 Nonetheless, your point that mobs don't achieve anything is thus refuted, but it's not that interesting a discussion.One could argue that the masses now have political power so that popular unrest is channeled through that system. The new Tea Party is a kind of mob mentality to my mind, and they're doing pretty well. Coulter's argument is that the new/old Tea Party were/are not mobs. MH, I think you should understand her distinction between a "mob" and a "Tea Party". (Hint: The name is helpful.)What?? None of the youth who protest buy iPods or iPhones et al? or cars? or cheap clothing? Way to address/refute something you'd rather wasn't true - simply state that it's not true. That's a great way to make changes happen. BC2004 made the same point above but AW, you make the point better.It's sad that people try to compare this to protests against dictatorships. Some people complain just for the sake of complaining. If you don't want to invest in wall street, then just store your cash under your mattress or manage your own self-directed accounts.Very well said. I agree.CPCFTW, you da man. Quote
CPCFTW Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 (edited) Well it isn't quite 20,000... but 150 people did show up! http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/19/us-wall-street-protests-idUSTRE78I51D20110919 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-19/wall-street-protest-dwindles/2905300/?site=widebay how cute. These 150 people claim to speak for the "99%"... How's the bay street equivalent doing? Edited September 20, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
GostHacked Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 Well it isn't quite 20,000... but 150 people did show up! http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/19/us-wall-street-protests-idUSTRE78I51D20110919 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-19/wall-street-protest-dwindles/2905300/?site=widebay how cute. These 150 people claim to speak for the "99%"... How's the bay street equivalent doing? What about those who are 'elected' that speak for the other 99%? Quote
CPCFTW Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 What about those who are 'elected' that speak for the other 99%? Is this another thinly veiled "everyone who voted didn't vote PC, or who didn't bother to vote, are capitalism-hating anarchists who plan on revolting and beheading Harper" argument? Quote
GostHacked Posted September 20, 2011 Report Posted September 20, 2011 Is this another thinly veiled "everyone who voted didn't vote PC, or who didn't bother to vote, are capitalism-hating anarchists who plan on revolting and beheading Harper" argument? Ok, I've typed out 4 attempts to address your post .. I simply can't. It's .. wow. Quite the assumption. Quote
jacee Posted September 21, 2011 Author Report Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) An update ... http://www.opednews.com/articles/Occupy-Wall-Street-Day-5-by-Chaz-Valenza-110921-806.html?show=votes A sampling of headlines from 'occupy wall street' google news search ... **UPDATE** Yahoo says it has fixed what the company has called an unintentional block of messages related to the Wall Street protests. See below: below http://thinkprogress.org -Why 'Occupy Wall Street' makes sense makes sense The Guardian - 2 hours ago -Protesters at the ' Occupy Wall Street' rally at Bowling Green Plaza, New York City, on 17 September; the demonstrations continue .. -Yahoo appears to be censoring Occupy Wall Street protest messages YouTube' -Occupy Wall Street' Calls For Protests in San Francisco International Business Times (press release) -Occupy Wall Street: Day 5 - Workers Union Joins Protest OpEdNews 53 article -Occupy Wall Street: Protesters Violently Arrested in New York Suite101.com - 16 hours ago They had been there for four days, as ________________________________________________ My take on it ...... Wall Street is worried. The Mayor is getting pressure from Wall Street power. http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/national/occupy-wall-st-civil-disobedience-continues-into-the-week "You have a lot of kids graduating college who can't find jobs," said Mayor Michael Bloomberg last week ahead of the protests."That's what happened in Cairo. That's what happened in Madrid. You don't want those kinds of riots here." Collin Quinlivan is a finance major. He wants a fair tax code. "Officials in Washington either don't know how to do their jobs or they're too specific to their party to actually be progressive to America as a whole," Quinlivan said. The US mainstream media appear to have been ordered not to report. The cops have been ordered to 1) stop the live streaming feed and 2) bust a few heads to scare them and/or draw them into violence, giving police an excuse to shut it down. The cops would have tried to shut it down by now except they are in a privately owned concrete park with permission of the owner. Labour Unions are now joining. These young people are not surprised by official blackout and violence tactics. They expect it. It's a sign they are worrying the powers that be and their propaganda wing, the MSM. And they are the smartech generation. Montreal joins Friday. Bay Street next? Wall Street is the key of course. The stories of the unemployed graduates are interesting. They are protesting on behalf of themselves, not some nebulous 'principles'. http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/article/1057018 "On Saturday, about 1,000 showed up to protest that 40 per cent of the wealth in the U.S. is held by one per cent of the people, and a record one in seven Americans live in poverty, the highest rate n the industrialized world. They want to know why the banks get bailouts, bankers get bonuses while ordinary citizens are losing their homes and jobs. “There’s something very wrong with our system as it is, there’s something very wrong with our financial system,” says MacAuley, who works for a Washington- based think-tank. “Few people have so much — and there are so many people who are really hurting.” And they have lawyers ... on speed dial. "Lawyer Sam Cohen said “We believe that the NYPD has been applying the law incorrectly in an attempt to disrupt the occupation.” CBC was the first mainstream North American broadcaster to ignore the pressure not to report. Some others in Canada are now tiptoeing in, and UK. US MSM still in blackout. ... to be continued no doubt. The unemployed have the time ... So do retired babyboomer activists who remember Kent State. :angry: (Ie, the parents/grandparents of this generation.) News blackout, violent intimidation ... I wonder what other Ghadafi tactics the Wall Street war industry will try ...? Food doesn't appear to be a problem ... "We're getting phone calls from all over the world about buying pies for the protestors—they're really passionate about it," Liberatos told us." Edited September 21, 2011 by jacee Quote
Guest American Woman Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) Food doesn't appear to be a problem ..."We're getting phone calls from all over the world about buying pies for the protestors—they're really passionate about it," Liberatos told us." Is this Monty Python’s Occupy Wall Street? They promised to ‘take down Wall Street’, to start a new American revolution modelled on the Arab Spring, to rally a crowd of 20,000 who would set up peaceful barricades in the ‘belly of the beast’ – the financial district of New York City – and camp out there for several months. Instead, the Occupy Wall Street campaign, a ‘leaderless resistance movement’, has out-Monty Pythoned the Flying Circus. Good God. If I hear a reference to "Arab Spring" in western democracies one more time, I think I'm going to ... suggest that those making the reference go live in a country that is oppressed. Ok. I think I'm going to do something other than that, but that's safe to say on the forum. At any rate, the above link is a good article. Edited September 21, 2011 by American Woman Quote
jacee Posted September 21, 2011 Author Report Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) Is this Monty Python’s Occupy Wall Street? They promised to ‘take down Wall Street’, to start a new American revolution modelled on the Arab Spring, to rally a crowd of 20,000 who would set up peaceful barricades in the ‘belly of the beast’ – the financial district of New York City – and camp out there for several months. Instead, the Occupy Wall Street campaign, a ‘leaderless resistance movement’, has out-Monty Pythoned the Flying Circus. Good God. If I hear a reference to "Arab Spring" in western democracies one more time, I think I'm going to ... suggest that those making the reference go live in a country that is oppressed. Ok. I think I'm going to do something other than that, but that's safe to say on the forum. At any rate, the above link is a good article. e Occupy Wall Street network uses a eaderless approach to protest, which means no one is directly in charge, there are no organised marches with scheduled speeches or a clear list of demands Instead, there’s a series of happenings non-denominational prayer sessions workshops in ‘anti-oppression strategies’ and discussion groups in which anyone can speak and draw up endless lists of suggestions. At Monday’s people’s assembly, one twentysomething man said ‘it’s been three days and we still don’t have a code of conduct’. He then read out his suggestions, jotted down on a piece of cardboard. They included ‘trying to keep a revolving point of view between age, gender and ethnicity’, ‘possibly thinking of having a smoking area’ and ‘not having sex on the tables’. :lol: The kids are alright. Edited September 21, 2011 by jacee Quote
Guest American Woman Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 The more I read about this, the more I laugh. In a small granite plaza a block from the New York Stock Exchange, a group of 20-somethings in flannel pajama pants and tie-dyed T-shirts are plotting the demise of Wall Street as we know it. There are only about 200 of them left now, though they started out 1,500 strong. Welcome to the headquarters of "Occupy Wall Street," a place where topless women stood Wednesday morning on the corner shouting "I can't afford a shirt!" while construction workers eagerly snapped photos on their phones. What, exactly, they are protesting is somewhat unclear. When asked what they are fighting, they gave a variety of responses ranging from Wall Street to global warming. Some people in suits stopped in the street to gaze curiously at the scene in the plaza – a strange jumble of people carrying signs, playing snare drums and openly smoking marijuana on benches. I'm sure the U.S. as we know it is undergoing tremendous change as a result of this *ahem* mass occupation. Good to know the unemployed plan on sticking it out til the end...... link Quote
jacee Posted September 21, 2011 Author Report Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) The more I read about this, the more I laugh. In a small granite plaza a block from the New York Stock Exchange, a group of 20-somethings in flannel pajama pants and tie-dyed T-shirts are plotting the demise of Wall Street as we know it. There are only about 200 of them left now, though they started out 1,500 strong. Welcome to the headquarters of "Occupy Wall Street," a place where topless women stood Wednesday morning on the corner shouting "I can't afford a shirt!" while construction workers eagerly snapped photos on their phones. What, exactly, they are protesting is somewhat unclear. When asked what they are fighting, they gave a variety of responses ranging from Wall Street to global warming. Some people in suits stopped in the street to gaze curiously at the scene in the plaza – a strange jumble of people carrying signs, playing snare drums and openly smoking marijuana on benches. I'm sure the U.S. as we know it is undergoing tremendous change as a result of this *ahem* mass occupation. Good to know the unemployed plan on sticking it out til the end...... link And it's to their great credit for keeping it light. They're just there. "Saturday night, people donated $10,000 worth of pizzas. And they're getting access to a kitchen. They're in it for the long haul now, with awesome public support. That was about 500 pizzas for 2000 people. I've never seen a protest supported by the public that way. Edited September 21, 2011 by jacee Quote
Shady Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 What a useless protest. Not to mention a complete and utter failure. Oh well, if that's what they want to do with their time, so be it. Quote
jacee Posted September 21, 2011 Author Report Posted September 21, 2011 (edited) I have concerns about the corporate-controlled media malaise. I'm sending a query about it here ... Newspaper association of America http://www.naa.org/About-NAA/Contact-Us.aspx National Association of Broadcasters http://www.nab.org/about/nabBoard.asp Contact Us National Association of Broadcasters 1771 N Street NW Washington DC 20036 [email protected] [Police] pulled one guy at random and after they put him in the van, Officer Caradona and other officers rushed the crowd standing on the corner, pulled one guy from random, and started to pull him and shove him to the ground That's when I started to try to push everyone back when somebody, it might have been Caradona, grabbed and swung me around and punched me in the face and I fell down. Luckily someone was there to pull me back up again and I know they pushed and shoved other people too. They were pushing and shoving everyone, but none of us resisted. We kept backing up, trying to get out of their way and continued holding up our peace signs e is a video of a second eyewitness account. Edited September 21, 2011 by jacee Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 I have concerns about the corporate-controlled media blackout. I'm sending a query about it here ... Gee...that should do it...a stern e-mail from Canada. How dare those corporations control the media! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest American Woman Posted September 21, 2011 Report Posted September 21, 2011 I have concerns about the corporate-controlled media blackout. I'm sending a query about it here ... And I'm sure you'll hear right back! In fact, I'm sure you're going to make as much of an impression as the Wall Street occupiers are - change is in the air! Just out of curiosity - aren't you supposed to be camped out on Bay Street? How are things going in Toronto? Quote
jacee Posted September 22, 2011 Author Report Posted September 22, 2011 And I'm sure you'll hear right back! In fact, I'm sure you're going to make as much of an impression as the Wall Street occupiers are - change is in the air! Just out of curiosity - aren't you supposed to be camped out on Bay Street? How are things going in Toronto? na ...too old for sleeping on wet cement and having sex on tables. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted September 22, 2011 Report Posted September 22, 2011 So is it alright for the family and I to stop sleeping in our panic room? Have the pitchforks, torches and zig zags been put away for another year? Quote
jacee Posted September 22, 2011 Author Report Posted September 22, 2011 Gee...that should do it...a stern e-mail from Canada. How dare those corporations control the media! I can only speak for my 1/34m share of Canada.They're all worried aren't they? Everybody should be worried if the police continue to use violence. Because then things could get very BIG and the stock markets might notice. Everybody's money is at stake here. Peaceful and persistent is good. ore we say more about what happened to us it seems important to point this out: we do not think the police are our enemy. They have jobs, how could we fault them for that, when one sixth of America lives in poverty? when one sixth of America can't find work? The police are part of the 99 per cent. I might add ... public employees, paid by taxpayers. They work for us. Quote
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