"No kids allowed!" -- Children in Restaurants

[Bonam]

6 minutes ago, Altai said:

So you mean you are going bankrupt as whole country but not as only one restaurant. One day in the future, there wont left any customers to go a restaurant.

Our fearless leaders have decided that the best way to keep the population up is to bring in immigrants (like myself) by the millions rather than addressing the issues discouraging the existing population from having children. 

[Boges]

14 minutes ago, Altai said:

So you mean you are going bankrupt as whole country but not as only one restaurant. One day in the future, there wont left any customers to go a restaurant.

One of the paradoxes of continued growth.

And with people expecting higher and higher qualities of life, yet a lower comparative income to past generations people are less likely to invite a Hellspawn into their life. 

Regarding restaurants. They all have their niche. I was at a Sports Bar with my girlfriend, her sister and her two young boys one Sunday during the football season. That was fine. But to bring those same boys at 9 pm on a Saturday night is probably not the best idea. 

[Bonam]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

 

Regarding restaurants. They all have their niche. I was at a Sports Bar with my girlfriend, her sister and her two young boys one Sunday during the football season. That was fine. But to bring those same boys at 9 pm on a Saturday night is probably not the best idea. 

So establishment like that should perhaps have hours when children are welcome and when they are not. 

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One of the paradoxes of continued growth. And with people expecting higher and higher qualities of life, yet a lower comparative income to past generations people are less likely to invite a Hellspawn into their life. 

 

Lower comparative income compared to past generations is a myth. All stats show otherwise... in Canada incomes have grown substantially for all income quintiles, both in terms of household incomes and individual incomes. In the US, incomes have stagnated for the lower two quintiles but they are still not lower, while they have risen substantially for the upper three quintiles. In all cases, it is those that earn more income that tend to have the fewest children, so a lack of income is not the reason that people are not having children. 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Bonam said:

So establishment like that should perhaps have hours when children are welcome and when they are not. 

Lower comparative income compared to past generations is a myth. All stats show otherwise... in Canada incomes have grown substantially for all income quintiles, both in terms of household incomes and individual incomes. In the US, incomes have stagnated for the lower two quintiles but they are still not lower, while they have risen substantially for the upper three quintiles. In all cases, it is those that earn more income that tend to have the fewest children, so a lack of income is not the reason that people are not having children. 

Then why is it now almost impossible to have single family homes for a family earning less than 6 figures?

I included the quality of life thing as a qualifier. People are used to having certain stuff now, that they weren't when birth rates were a lot higher. 

Edited April 7, 2017 by Boges

[Bonam]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Then why is it now almost impossible to have single family homes for a family earning less than 6 figures?

It's certainly not impossible. Most single family homes in the US cost ~$200,000, well within the affordability range of families earning as little as $40-50k. Six figure incomes are necessary in worldly metropolises like Vancouver, Toronto, New York, San Francisco, etc. Which is not surprising and has always been that way. 

[Altai]

13 minutes ago, Bonam said:

Our fearless leaders have decided that the best way to keep the population up is to bring in immigrants (like myself) by the millions rather than addressing the issues discouraging the existing population from having children. 

what would be the problem prevent someone to have kids. Ofcourse its the financial responsibilities and this is a big delusion. You will see that all the rich families has many family members. But still I dont think that a Western family could get over a Eastern family. My mother side is 9 sisters and brothers, father side is 11. I dont know how many cousins I have. 
 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Altai said:

what would be the problem prevent someone to have kids. Ofcourse its the financial responsibilities and this is a big delusion. You will see that all the rich families has many family members. But still I dont think that a Western family could get over a Eastern family. My mother side is 9 sisters and brothers, father side is 11. I dont know how many cousins I have. 
 

It's pretty clear, globally, that as comparative income and quality of life goes up, birth rate goes down. 

[Altai]

12 minutes ago, Boges said:

One of the paradoxes of continued growth.

And with people expecting higher and higher qualities of life, yet a lower comparative income to past generations people are less likely to invite a Hellspawn into their life. 

Regarding restaurants. They all have their niche. I was at a Sports Bar with my girlfriend, her sister and her two young boys one Sunday during the football season. That was fine. But to bring those same boys at 9 pm on a Saturday night is probably not the best idea. 

LoL yes I can imagine that. 

Sir what is that ?
- Its a pencil my dear baby
Boges what is that ? 
- ermm its a spoon my tinny squirrel
Bogg what is that ?
- Its my computer's mause, could you please put back on the table my honeyy
Boggi what is that ? 
- Okay, its my eyeglasses kid.
Bobo, what is that ?
- Argggg, its a refrigerator.
Why ? 
- Get outtt you fckingg basssstrdd..

 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, Altai said:

LoL yes I can imagine that. 

Sir what is that ?
- Its a pencil my dear baby
Boges what is that ? 
- ermm its a spoon my tinny squirrel
Bogg what is that ?
- Its my computer's mause, could you please put back on the table my honeyy
Boggi what is that ? 
- Okay, its my eyeglasses kid.
Bobo, what is that ?
- Argggg, its a refrigerator.
Why ? 
- Get outtt you fckingg basssstrdd..
 

Huh? 

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Altai said:

what would be the problem prevent someone to have kids. Ofcourse its the financial responsibilities and this is a big delusion. You will see that all the rich families has many family members. But still I dont think that a Western family could get over a Eastern family. My mother side is 9 sisters and brothers, father side is 11. I dont know how many cousins I have. 
 

Things have changed in Western countries in the last 2 generations.

My grandparents both came from large families with 11 and 13 children.  But they all worked on the family farms, it was a collective effort to maintain the family.  And government handouts were few in those days.

Today, few families run "family businesses".  And if a family were to choose to have that many kids nowadays, it means one must stay home to look after the kids and many larger families find it extremely difficult to live on one income.

I don't think having more children than you can look after - financially, emotionally and educationwise - does society any favours.

 

 

[Altai]

8 minutes ago, Boges said:

Huh? 

Sorry I was just imagine a male and kid interaction 

[Argus]

5 hours ago, kimmy said:

We had another thread on this topic a few years ago. 

Personally I avoid restaurants where I know there will be screaming toddlers or annoying old-people.

Annoying old people? Do seniors cry and throw tantrums and run around the restaurant playing? The only place I can recall ever being annoyed by old people is while driving.

[Boges]

21 minutes ago, Argus said:

Annoying old people? Do seniors cry and throw tantrums and run around the restaurant playing? The only place I can recall ever being annoyed by old people is while driving.

Old people do seem crowd into McDonalds for hours on end to get all the free coffee refills. Then again, you should never expect a certain level of decorum at a McDonalds. 

[Ash74]

My favorite is when seniors flip out about having to wait in line or try and cut the line and than hold up the line because they are digging out the exact change or demanding that they were over charged. I will take a screaming kid in line at McDonalds over a senior any day of the week.

[kimmy]

19 hours ago, Argus said:

Annoying old people? Do seniors cry and throw tantrums and run around the restaurant playing? The only place I can recall ever being annoyed by old people is while driving.

Driving, obviously. And the check-out line, as Ash mentioned. Counting out exact change, or going over their receipt item-by-item with the cashier because they're convinced that the total is too high, that sort of thing. 

But for me the annoyance of listening to groups of old-people sitting around a table sharing their dumb-ass ideas on what's wrong with the world, or how to fix everything, and so on, is worse than toddlers. Toddlers are just loud and exuberant. Old-people are loud and ignorant. Most of them are hearing-impaired, so of course they talk loudly enough that everybody in the restaurant gets to listen to them. And listening to a bunch of statements that start with "Kids these days..." or "THOSE people..." or "The damned foreigners..."  and so on.

Maybe things are different where you live, but I live in a city with a large retiree population, and figuring out how to avoid these people is a real consideration. #1 on my list: you can't go to the grocery store on the first Tuesday of the month. Can not go. Avoid at all costs. That's Seniors Day.   #2 is stay well clear of every Crown Victoria you see on the road. It's either an unmarked police cruiser or it's a senior. Either way, give it lots of space.  #3 is avoid the restaurants where old-people like to have their coffee-and-gripe sessions.  Denny's, IHOP, and Tim Horton's are three that I no longer go to at all.

 -k

[Argus]

13 hours ago, Ash74 said:

My favorite is when seniors flip out about having to wait in line or try and cut the line and than hold up the line because they are digging out the exact change or demanding that they were over charged.

I can't say I have ever encountered such a thing so I question just how common it is.

[kimmy]

23 hours ago, Altai said:

They will always remember you that you didnt allowed them to enter because of their beautiful cherry, their beautiful mini squirrel,

23 hours ago, Altai said:

they will hate you in their subconscious and never forget. This restaurant have to note that almost all families will have an under 6 age kids one day in the future for average 6 years long and therefore their restaurant will go bankrupt one day in the future. 

Lots of restaurants do well by catering to customers without mini squirrels.  That includes not just single people and people without children, but also people whose children have grown up and moved away. Even people who have their own mini squirrels like to hire a baby-sitter for an evening and go out to be with other adults, and are grateful to go to places where they can be away from exuberant toddlers for an evening.

 -k

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, kimmy said:

t.Old-people are loud and ignorant. Most of them are hearing-impaired, so of course they talk loudly enough that everybody in the restaurant gets to listen to them. And listening to a bunch of statements that start with "Kids these days..." or "THOSE people..." or "The damned foreigners..."  and so on.

Well, forgive me, but it sounds to me like a mirror reflection of what some old person would think if he sat down next to your table and listened to you and your friends talking; The same sort of generalized disdain for your opinions, beliefs, music, and 'ignorant' beliefs as you evidence for theirs.

Being closer to old than young, depending on how you figure it I have certainly experienced that in overhearing what I regard as childishly ill-informed political and social beliefs said with great enthusiasm and determination (and vocal strength) by people in their twenties in a variety of locations. It doesn't make me hate young people but I do tend to avoid them where alcohol is being served since a lot of them seem to lack much ability to maintain proper behaviour while drinking.

[capricorn]

29 minutes ago, kimmy said:

Old-people are loud and ignorant. Most of them are hearing-impaired, so of course they talk loudly enough that everybody in the restaurant gets to listen to them.

 

There is a good chance that you, kimmy, will one day fit that demographic.

[Guest]

When I was young, I could never understand why old people thought young people were all as thick as planks.  Now I'm old, I understand that it's because they are. 

[kimmy]

 

58 minutes ago, Argus said:

Being closer to old than young, depending on how you figure it I have certainly experienced that in overhearing what I regard as childishly ill-informed political and social beliefs said with great enthusiasm and determination (and vocal strength) by people in their twenties in a variety of locations.

In my experience, a lot the old-people dialogue veers more towards hate-filled than childishly ill-informed.

44 minutes ago, capricorn said:

There is a good chance that you, kimmy, will one day fit that demographic.

I'm hoping to be killed fighting a cougar with my bare hands before I reach that age. That's how I want to leave this world.

41 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

When I was young, I could never understand why old people thought young people were all as thick as planks.  Now I'm old, I understand that it's because they are. 

That's fine. You guys stick to your favorite hangouts, and I'll steer clear.  Which is basically my take on this whole issue. "Go where the weather suits your clothes," as the old-people anthem says.   If you've got a bunch of toddlers, don't go to a classy dining establishment. If you don't want to listen to toddlers, avoid restaurants where people take their toddlers. If you don't want to listen to old-people blathering, avoid Denny's and IHOP and Tim Horton's.

 -k

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, kimmy said:

 

I'm hoping to be killed fighting a cougar with my bare hands before I reach that age. That's how I want to leave this world.

 -k

Kim Cattrall lives in BC, doesn't she?

Edited April 8, 2017 by bcsapper

[kimmy]

Just now, bcsapper said:

Kim Catrall lives in BC, doesn't she?

That would also be an acceptable way to go.

 -k

[Wilber]

52 minutes ago, capricorn said:

There is a good chance that you, kimmy, will one day fit that demographic.

Yup. If you are lucky, you get to become old and accumulate some of the wisdom that can go along with just hanging around longer. If you aren't, you don't. I find unruly kids as irritating as anyone. On the other hand, it is a pleasure to see well behaved kids and taking them to nice restaurants can be good experiences for them.

[Wilber]

14 minutes ago, kimmy said:

I'm hoping to be killed fighting a cougar with my bare hands before I reach that age. That's how I want to leave this world. -k

Ya, I can't count the number of times I've heard some version of that. Probably said something like it myself at some time long ago. It's amazing how that point of view changes as people get older and they realize that still being alive ain't so bad after all and it really does beat the hell out of the alternative.