Rampant antisemitism remains prevalent

[hot enough]

On 8/5/2017 at 4:20 PM, Rue said:

Your words come from a sewer whose essence is hatred of Jews because you were brought up to believe we can not be equal to Muslims ever and that includes not just having or own nation but any rights on the same level as a Muslim and that is why you embrace Sharia Law precisely because it defines Jews as dhimmi and khafir, inferiors.

There certainly are those types of people in the world, of that there is no doubt, and we all have to remain vigilant against those who are racist against any peoples. 

But you are Rue ranting with no proof, no evidence. You do this a lot, Rue and it is not at all becoming of you. Israel has committed many crimes against humanity, many war crimes, much terrorism, of that there is no doubt whatsoever. Saying that DOES NOT in any way, shape or form mean that I hate Jews. I love Jews as much as I love all people. I don't like Jews like you, or Russians, or Americans or Canadians or Lebanese or Tuvaluans like you who spread hatred. 

Yes, Jews have suffered greatly and sadly, very sadly, that will continue. I wish I knew how to stop it. I think that there are some very forward thinking Israeli citizens who have some great ideas on that. You are not one of those who have any great, even good ideas on how to fix things. 

[hot enough]

On 8/2/2017 at 7:51 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Nothing in recent history is as "progressive" as creating a government built on something called the "Bill of Rights", guaranteeing freedom of expression and religion, and giving people the power to govern themselves.  Your mocking of "progressives" belies the moral imperative that has co-existed with self-interest in the history of American hegemony.

Horse pucky, Michael, deep deep horse pucky. History does not in any way support this drivel. You think that having two far right wing parties is "giving people the power to govern themselves". 

[hot enough]

On 8/2/2017 at 7:53 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Sure....for free, property owning men (not women) who also owned slaves.   Reality bites that way...then...and now.

What the hell has come over you, surely not a sense of morality?

[marcus]

Rue is not here to debate. Rue is here to shut down debate when there is any talk about Israel. Because the story and the narrative has already been given to us and anyone who goes off script is an anti-semite and he/she will be bullied, swarmed or bored with long-winded drivels.

My time is valuable to me and I find no value in acknowledging Rue. I am putting him on ignore.

[Rue]

18 hours ago, marcus said:

Rue is not here to debate. Rue is here to shut down debate when there is any talk about Israel. Because the story and the narrative has already been given to us and anyone who goes off script is an anti-semite and he/she will be bullied, swarmed or bored with long-winded drivels.

My time is valuable to me and I find no value in acknowledging Rue. I am putting him on ignore.

"Marcus"   et al have  been putting me on ignore for 6 years.

Of course I am not hear to shut down debate when there is any talk of Israel. I am here to challenge comments about Israel when its not about Israel, i..e, Israeli state policy, but when Israel is used as the pretense or excuse for in fact engaging in comments that deny the right of Israelis to be Jewish, deny Israelis the right of a Jewish state or deny any Jew the right to express ourselves as a political collective identity.

I have challenged Marcus and Ghost and others when there discussion is not in fact about Israel but is an attack on Israelis as people and for being Jewish and demonizing us.

Ghost initiated a thread with a title that clearly incited a smeer on all Israelis. He depicted all Israelis as blood thirsty engaging in dishonest parsing removing words out of their context and resubmitting them to appear to be saying something they did not.

He depicted Israelis and Jews as blood thirsty and enjoying killing.

He enagged in and was exposed for engaging in an anti semitic canard,  a pathetic, shallow anti semitic stereotype of the blood thirsty Jew, a worn  re-tread, and re-cycling of the blood libel anti semites have used against Jews for thousands of years only now we aren't blood thirsty about Christ but Palestinians.

Marcus claims his time is valuable to him. Such bull shit. His time is spent on this board pissing on Israelis for being Jewish. he's got time for that  suddenly he whines and his time is valuable when he has to defend himself and run and hide from me with the pathetic " I am putting you on hold " petulant behaviour. He can't control me so he runs-that's his way of debating-running when he can't get his way. Lol.

He doesn't come on this board to question Muslims for having Muslim states. He doesn't come on this board to hold Muslims to the same standards he holds Jews. He is here to promote an agenda that wants Israel dismantled as a Jewish state and turned into a Muslim one. He doesn't have the balls to finish it and state his complete agenda is  although he passively refers to it.

He and Ghost and whatever other of their  name appears on this forum will never be Omar, Abdul, Muhammed, Ali, Nasir, Kareem, Anwar, Yasir, Gamel, Hussein, Farouk, Mustafa, Amir- that you can be sure of.

So I say to "Marcus", "Ghost Hacked" whatever handle you want to use, your whining that I shut down debate is a joke. You can't handle a Jew talking back so you whine. You  play victim of the bad Jew who won't let you smeer Jews without a challenge. Awah awah awah, how dare I speak back and challenge your bigotry, your hatred.

You are whiny one trick pony James Hudson Bay Fraser Valley Rocky Mountain Tim Horton or whatever name you want to go buy. Depict Jews unfairly and with hatred, piss on Israeli Jews and demonize them for defending themselves against terrorism you know where to find me.

This whining to an imagined audience for help against this bad bad Jew, ahah. Better call Tax Me. You leftists don't seem to fussy who you crawl into bed with as long as they hate Jews now do you...

You want to spew, it, here is the response::

cite:http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-wistrich-f04.htm

Anti-Zionism has become the most dangerous and effective form of anti- Semitism in our time, through its systematic delegitimization, defamation, and demonization of Israel. Although not a priori anti-Semitic, the calls to dismantle the Jewish state, whether they come from Muslims, the Left, or the radical Right, increasingly rely on an anti-Semitic stereotypization of classic themes, such as the manipulative "Jewish lobby," the Jewish/Zionist "world conspiracy," and Jewish/Israeli "warmongers." One major driving force of this anti-Zionism/anti-Semitism is the transformation of the Palestinian cause into a "holy war"; another source is anti-Americanism linked with fundamentalist Islamism. In the current context, classic conspiracy theories, such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, are enjoying a spectacular revival. The common denominator of the new anti-Zionism has been the systematic effort to criminalize Israeli and Jewish behavior, so as to place it beyond the pale of civilized and acceptable conduct."

 Tell the mean Jew to stop! Hah.

 

 

Edited August 7, 2017 by Rue

[GostHacked]

This is a new step for Rue,  accusing several users as being the same person.

So, I guess according to Rue,  I am also Marcus, Hot Enough .. and who else?? 

Give yourself a slap Rue.

21 hours ago, Rue said:

He and Ghost and whatever other of their  name appears on this forum will never be Omar, Abdul, Muhammed, Ali, Nasir, Kareem, Anwar, Yasir, Gamel, Hussein, Farouk, Mustafa, Amir- that you can be sure of.

So I say to "Marcus", "Ghost Hacked" whatever handle you want to use, your whining that I shut down debate is a joke. You can't handle a Jew talking back so you whine. You  play victim of the bad Jew who won't let you smeer Jews without a challenge.

And apparently I have an Arabic name too ..  funny considering I have a very english/german name.

[Rue]

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

This is a new step for Rue,  accusing several users as being the same person.

So, I guess according to Rue,  I am also Marcus, Hot Enough .. and who else?? 

Give yourself a slap Rue.

And apparently I have an Arabic name too ..  funny considering I have a very english/german name.

1. You misrepresent what I said to try get attention and play the victim yet again.

2. The no. 3 does coincide with the 3 Stooges.

2. Skunk is the same in German and English.

3. A skunk whether its from the Muslim world, Germany or Canada has the same stench.

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/OnlinePred.pdf

 

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[Rue]

Anoymity breeds cowardice and is a basic feature of all bigots including anti semites. In that sense the internet has provided a replacement to the pointed hood mask

and it provides anti semites whether they be to the left or right of the spectrum a pathway to an audience and one they need not show their true colours to.

 

You can pose as anything on the internet when spewing hatred.

 

I myself have always found it amusing how anti semites use tell tell repetitive mo's including:

1-claiming some of their friends are Jews (used for the good Jew v. bad Jew technique where the good Jew is said to agree with them)

2-claiming they are part Jewish or have a Jew in their famiky tree but are not themselves a Jew (enabling them to claim they can't be anti Jewish but still avoiding being a Jew_

3-using names that hide their true ethnicity and religion because if it  was shown to be Muslim people would immediately assume them to be terrorists and discredit them

4-claiming they are German or English as if there is instant credibility to being a citizen of those nations

5-being unable to make a comment without referring to a group of Jews and assigning those Jews common negative characteristics

6-further to 5 believing if they use the word Zionist or Israeli it suddenly makes the negative stereotype a legitimate comment

7-using one standard to define and judge Musims, another for Jews

8-defining any Jew who defends himself as a terrorist

9-defining any Israeli solder a terrorist

10-denying Jews have the right to determine how to define their Jewishness

11-further to 10 denying Jews have the right to define themselves as a political collective identity like gays or women or Italians

12- singling out Israel's expedited process giving Jews Israeli citizenship "racist" but remaining silent on over 150 other nations with the exact same legal process, i.e., China, Japan, South Korea, Ireland, Belgium, Germany, the Czeck Republic, Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Portugal, Greece, Slovania, Serbia, Croatia, etc.

13- recreating false history to suggest there was no violence in Muslim society prior to Western nations coming into the Middle Easr

14-as per 13, denying Jordan was illegally created by the British from 90% of Palestine

15-denying the Arab Muslim connection to Hitler and the post WW2 role of Nazis who moved to the Middle East in running their governments

16-denying terrorists can be Muslims

17-,denying a connection between extreme Islam, trendy leftism and extreme right wing neo Nazism

18- denying the rampant pedophilia, incest, child bride, first cousin marriages across the Muslim world

19-denying the inherent anti-Semitism that to this day defines Jews as dhimmi-khafir which is basic sharia law and the source for why no Muslim nation can believe a Jew can have title o land let alone a nation

20-complete denial that Muslims engage in terrorism, terrorism against Israel, or terrorism against their own fellow citizens

21-a complete denial that Muslims have any responsibility for their own corrupt governments and high illiteracy rates

22-a belief that Arabs who flooded Palestine and displaced Palestinians are Palestinians

23-the belief that Jews who came to Israel had to have displaced Palestinians

24-the belief that there were Palestinians prior to 1967 or that Palestine was a nation

25-the belief that Jews control Washington, all banks, Hollywood movie production, the media

36-the belief that Muslim terrorists are only mad at people who support Zionists

37-claim its o.k. to make negative stereotypes about Jews and incite hatred against them if they are Zionists

38-a belief that Jews are much smarter than gentiles and therefore dangerous.

I would suggest the above 38 characteristics of anti Semitism are seen over and over again on this board using the cover of the word Israel or Zionist to justify

promulgating them.

I would suggest the themes are so over-used the posts are now now no  longer distinguishable.

I would also suggest the kinds of Jew haters on this board using Israel and Zionism as their pretext to engage in anti Jewish sentiment do not make any Jews

a victim because their writers use anonymity of the internet to gain their bravado but in the real world don't dare come out of Mama's basement and tell anyone to their face what they really

think.

Now and then one might go pop goes the weasel and engage in a killing spree in a cowardly manner but for the most part their bladders don't allow them to travel too far as they frequently need to change their diapers.

The slightest sound of defiance causes them to wet their pants and then scream out a Jew made their bladder explode.

 

 

[herples]

On 8/1/2017 at 8:42 AM, Michael Hardner said:

in my opinion, the best of @bush_cheney2004's posts remind us that Canadian smugness needs to be shown back to us from time to time.

I am not sure how criticizing Israel's policies is Canadian smugness. A person criticizing Israel's policies is not forgetting Canada's bad policies. 

[GostHacked]

11 hours ago, Rue said:

1. You misrepresent what I said to try get attention and play the victim yet again.

2. The no. 3 does coincide with the 3 Stooges.

2. Skunk is the same in German and English.

3. A skunk whether its from the Muslim world, Germany or Canada has the same stench.

http://www.crime-scene-investigator.net/OnlinePred.pdf

 

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I am not misrepresenting anything. It is you who are calling me anti-semtie . It is you misrepresenting my stance and you are the one playing victim on behalf of all Jews.  Do you speak for all Jews/Isrealis? No? Then have a cup of shut the fuck up.

And now you are trying to paint me as an Arab or Muslim. Not sure why. Maybe you need a refill on that cup.

[GostHacked]

1 ) Rue calls people anti-semite

2 ) Rue calls people anti-semite

3 ) Rue calls people anti-semite

4 ) Rue calls people anti-semite

I sense a pattern here.

 

 

[Rue]

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

And now you are trying to paint me as an Arab or Muslim. Not sure why. Maybe you need a refill on that cup.

No I simply expose you as an unrepentant bigot.

Edited August 9, 2017 by Rue

[Michael Hardner]

4 minutes ago, Rue said:

You aren't people-you are one pathetic hateful man who can't handle being unable to put me down. You keep whining.

You are playing the man here, not the ball.

[Rue]

12 hours ago, herples said:

I am not sure how criticizing Israel's policies is Canadian smugness. A person criticizing Israel's policies is not forgetting Canada's bad policies. 

Can you provide an actual response that criticizes an Israeli policy on this forum and not Israelis for existing as Israelis? Please provide the words.

Also I am not sure  what forum you are on because the double standard used to criticize Israelis for being Jews and having a Jewish state and stealing land from natives is exacly what Bush has satirized because unlike Israeli Jews, most Canadians did not originate in Canada and in fact live on stolen property which was Bush's point.

Its not very difficult.  You get it. You might disagree with it yes, but you get it.

I tell you what heples, challenge Israeli state policies. Please. Someone please for once discuss an Israeli state policy without turning it into an excuse to piss on Israelis for being Jews and existing in a Jewish state. Please challenge an Israeli state policy without negatively stereotyping Jews and Israelis. I have yet to see one response like that.

[Rue]

4 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I am not misrepresenting anything. It is you who are calling me anti-semtie . It is you misrepresenting my stance and you are the one playing victim on behalf of all Jews.  Do you speak for all Jews/Isrealis? No? Then have a cup of shut the fuck up.

And now you are trying to paint me as an Arab or Muslim. Not sure why. Maybe you need a refill on that cup.

I have never claimed to speak for any Jew but myself.

You again exhibit a pathological need to deny you came on this forum and with deliberation parsed different wording together from an article to provide a misrepresentation in a thread where you chose a title to smeer all Israelis and not just the person you claim you quoted.

You  now engage in Jew baiting suggesting I play victim on behalf of all Jews. That again is a blatant anti semitic remark attacking my Jewishness and any Jew who has my opinion.

My words could not be clearer that you do not victimize me or any Jew with your smeers.

I have not painted you as an Arab or Muslim. I have exposed you as a bigot. and told you I don't give a plying phaxck what nationality or ethnicity you claim to be.

[Rue]

5 hours ago, GostHacked said:

1 ) Rue calls people anti-semite

2 ) Rue calls people anti-semite

3 ) Rue calls people anti-semite

4 ) Rue calls people anti-semite

I sense a pattern here.

 

 

You came on this forum to whine about me calling you more than one person, then you refer to yourself as "people". I sensed a pattern long ago.

Edited August 9, 2017 by Rue

[GostHacked]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

You came on this forum to whine about me calling you more than one person, then you refer to yourself as "people". I sensed a pattern long ago.

You must be a lot of fun in real life. 

[hot enough]

6 hours ago, Rue said:

I have never claimed to speak for any Jew but myself.

You again exhibit a pathological need to deny you came on this forum and with deliberation parsed different wording together from an article to provide a misrepresentation in a thread where you chose a title to smeer all Israelis and not just the person you claim you quoted.

You  now engage in Jew baiting suggesting I play victim on behalf of all Jews. That again is a blatant anti semitic remark attacking my Jewishness and any Jew who has my opinion.

My words could not be clearer that you do not victimize me or any Jew with your smeers[sic] SMEARS.

I have not painted you as an Arab or Muslim. I have exposed you as a bigot. and told you I don't give a plying phaxck what nationality or ethnicity you claim to be.

I don't believe you missed any of the canards/old wives tales that are trotted out to try to smear people, Rue. Do you have minders who feed you this crap or do you just keep your own little booklet?

Edited August 9, 2017 by hot enough

[Hudson Jones]

In taking the first step to understand the Israeli Palestinian conflict, many immediately realizes that they must very carefully navigate this highly contentious ground, in fear of being mislabeled anti-Semitic. The mere questioning of Israel and its political agenda can lead to aggressive attacks, leaving one momentarily stunned and confused. This type of rhetoric, commonly used by Zionists, has its foundation in “collective victimhood”, an extremely effective means of ignoring and denying political and social responsibility. Jewish Zionists, as claiming to speak on behalf of all Jews, assert that their historical suffering and the continued prejudice against Jews world-wide places them in a position through which they must maintain and protect their Jewish nation at whatever costs they deem necessary. Unfortunately, this ideology creates the distorted mentality that Israel has ultimate political immunity and that any attack against Israel is an attack on all Jewish people. By looking at the psychology behind “collective victimhood”, one can gain a more comprehensive understanding of what is often happening when someone accuses you of anti-Semitism.

[hot enough]

4 hours ago, hot enough said:

You  now engage in Jew baiting suggesting I play victim on behalf of all Jews. That again is a blatant anti semitic remark attacking my Jewishness and any Jew who has my opinion.

I would very much like you to provide an clear example of Gosthack having done this, Rue. 

I'm not at all sure that you know the meaning of "Jew baiting", or worse, you do and you are using it for your own nefarious purposes. 

[hot enough]

23 minutes ago, Hudson Jones said:

In taking the first step to understand the Israeli Palestinian conflict, many immediately realizes that they must very carefully navigate this highly contentious ground, in fear of being mislabeled anti-Semitic. ...

Excellent overview, Hudson Jones.

[herples]

On 8/9/2017 at 8:51 AM, Rue said:

Can you provide an actual response that criticizes an Israeli policy on this forum and not Israelis for existing as Israelis? Please provide the words.

Also I am not sure  what forum you are on because the double standard used to criticize Israelis for being Jews and having a Jewish state and stealing land from natives is exacly what Bush has satirized because unlike Israeli Jews, most Canadians did not originate in Canada and in fact live on stolen property which was Bush's point.

Its not very difficult.  You get it. You might disagree with it yes, but you get it.

I tell you what heples, challenge Israeli state policies. Please. Someone please for once discuss an Israeli state policy without turning it into an excuse to piss on Israelis for being Jews and existing in a Jewish state. Please challenge an Israeli state policy without negatively stereotyping Jews and Israelis. I have yet to see one response like that.

On the contrary I do not have to provide posts on here to validate my response since I am arguing that being critical of Israel's policy is not ignoring Canada's flaws. 

Majority of Israeli Jews originate from Europe what is your point? If they are born in Israel they are Israeli if they are born in Canada they are Canadian. Bush doesn't have a point he is doing his usual trolling. 

I challenge the settlement program, the Gaza wall, the refusal to the right of return to Palestinians stuck in other Arab countries, the moving away from the two state solution, the division of the PLO which lead to the rise of Hamas. I don't have to negatively stereotype anybody to say those policies are bad. 

[bush_cheney2004]

39 minutes ago, herples said:

 ....Bush doesn't have a point he is doing his usual trolling.

 

Yeah, trolling an inconvenient truth for the Israel/Jew bashers living in Canada directly on or benefiting from resources from all the stolen, unceded First Nations land, their continued subjugation, disparate incarceration, homicides, unsafe potable water, residential schools, and forced sterilizations.

What a wonderful diversion to point smug Canadian fingers at Israel instead.    Bad Israel !!

 

 

 

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎08‎-‎12 at 3:49 PM, herples said:

Majority of Israeli Jews originate from Europe what is your point? I don't have to negatively stereotype anybody to say those policies are bad. 

You in fact in the above sentence demonstrated when discussing Israeli state policies you felt are bad,  you falsely stereotyped Jews and Israelis  In fact as of February 2013, according to Israel's central Bureau of Statistics,  Israeli had 8 million  citizens of whom 75.4% were Jewish and 68% of those Jews were in fact born in Israel.

Now I asked you can you provide me a post or  a thread on this forum where someone advanced a criticism of Israeli state policies that does not connect to an argument that denies the right of Jews to be Israelis and Israeli to be a Jewish state? I asked you and you said you did not need to. Well I can tell you that you can't because they don't exist and had you I would have showed you the Canadian smugness Bush is referring to.

The relevance as to why  asked that question is precisely because Herples people like you can not help themselves from making false statements about Israelis and Jews when discussing Israeli state policies and that I would argue is why people like me argue back not because you are criticizing an Israeli state policy but because and when you make a comment about Jews or Israelis that is either false or questions our right to be Jewish, Israeli, both Israeli and Jewish.

Now you call Bush a troll. With due respect not on Israel. He could not be more blatantly obvious and clear in two things-his belief in US foreign policy and the best interests of the US which he absolutely does not hide, and 2, that he supports the rights of Jews to be Israeli and have their own state. He does not apologize for Israel. He does not claim Israel and the US agree on everything or anything.  I think with due respect you are mixing his satirical responses to Canadians who get smug with the US on his comments on Israel. They are not the same.

If you genuinely criticize an Israeli state policy it may or may not be an example of Canadian smugness depending on what criticism you engage in. You made the statement that you criticize the following: "I challenge the settlement program, the Gaza wall, the refusal to the right of return to Palestinians stuck in other Arab countries, the moving away from the two state solution, the division of the PLO which lead to the rise of Hamas. "

In regards to the settlement program, if by that you mean Jews who have settled on land on the West Bank, you may want to ask what land did you settle on in Canada, and how do you think you got it? That is the point Bush is making.  What makes you think you have superior rights to Canadian soil over Canadian aboriginals  than Jews do to the West Bank where they lived long before the people who today call themselves Muslims or Palestinians now live?

Have you given that a thought? You think your ancestors an d you are morally superior in how you obtained your land? 

The West Bank was never part of any sovereign nation. In fact Palestine was supposed to be given to Israel for a Jewish nation. Britain was awarded by the League of Nations a mandate to set up that Jewish state in Palestine. Instead and Churchill admits it in his memoirs because he's the man who did it, Britain deliberately lied, unilaterally and illegally seized 90% of Palestine and turned it into a Jewish free Palestinian Muslim state. To his day its coat of arms refers to it as a Palestinian state.

Jordan was created illegally. It was to be disbanded by the League of Nations at a meeting on the day WW2 broke out. Then after WW2, the UN which inherited the League Mandate turned its back on Jews in Palestine as the Arab League declared a war to kill off all Jews in Palestine. That war was led by ex Nazis and British officers leading the Arab armies. The Egyptian air force was flown by RAF pilots and Egypt's regular army as well as Syria's and Iraq's was led by ex Nazis. British officers led the Jordanian army. Where were you?

Where do you think these Jews came from? They were thrown out or fled from European countries and another 750, 000, more than any Arabs you claim were misplaced were thrown out of Arab countries and forced to flee to Israel. Where were you when all that happened? Well your country Canada was refusing entry to Jews in Canada like most nations at that time and turning their back. In fact only the US and France took in Jews after WW2- Canada I n fact took in more ex Nazis in the world other than Argentina, Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Paraguay.

Elenor Roosevelt took on the entire world defending Jewish refugees including her entire American government and Truman in his memoirs says so and how she convinced him to confront his own fallacies and stereotypes about Jews.  Russia under Stalin saw Israel as a potential communist state in the Middle East to fight against the Arab states all propped by European nations. It was the Jews of Israel who said no, we owe Elenor Roosevelt and would not turn their back on Americans. It was Truman who then reached out. The US, Czechoslovakia in 1949,   then Holland who were Israel's only true allies when they were faced with a second attempt by the Arab world to extinguish them.  Jews went back to Israel because we originated from there. Isn't it ironic you engage in the stereotype to this day that Israelis are European. No they are not. They are born in Israel and even the ones born in Israel or Arab countries are descended from the Jews of Israel. Why would you still define them as Europeans? Do you define Canadians as European? Do you? Do you state the majority of Canadians born in Canada are from descendants outside Canada as you do the Jews of Israel? Why the double standard?

That's the smugness Bush is pointing out precisely because he is a Yank and Yanks have always known they are mutts, i.e., came from everyone and became an American first and foremost while Canadians feel smug and retain hyphenated identities thinking this makes us superior to Yanks. That's his friggin point..

Now in regards to the wall, since that wall went up terror attacks coming in from the West Bank have been stopped. Tell me do you think if you are placed in danger by terror attacks the government and police in Canada don't and won't take security measures?  What you don't think Canada engages now in anti-terrorist measures it never once did?  That is another example of smugness Bush has pointed out. Do you complain about security measures at airports or when the police do a  RIDE program? Do you think we don't patrol our borders? Have you ever been to Israel? Have you any idea of how crowded and small the West Bank and East Jerusalem are? Could it be you are smug and Canadian precisely because you take size of space for granted and don't understand how close feuding factions are to one another? How long ago was it the War Measures Act was invoked in Canada? You really think Canada handled terrorism differently than Israel now does? You think if there were daily terror attacks things would not change?

By the way you criticize Israel for moving away from a two state solution? That is not Canadian smugness given how we behave with Quebec? Let me refresh your memory. Israel not once but three times offered the Palestinian Authority 95% of the West Bank in exchange for peace. Arafat told the entire world when he negotiated peace he did so in bad faith and never at any time would ever accept anything other than the complete return of  all of Israel and Jordan as a solution for peace. How is that Israel abandoning a two state solution? How has Israel abandon a two state solution when Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, have stated, they will never accept a two state solution?  Who would you have Israel make its agreement with Abbas? He has stated publically and repeatedly he will never recognize a Jewish state of Israel and stood up in his own assembly giving a standing ovation as fellow members chanted death to Israel. This is a man who wrote this ph.d thesis at the University of Moscow saying the holocaust never happened and he is portrayed as "moderate". Why do you phrase that as an Israeli failure? Name me one Muslim nation or leader that can or will come out and state it recognizes the right of Israel to be a Jewish state? One, name me one and you blame Israel? Who the phack would you have them talk to?

Abbas has stated he wil only disclose disbanding Israrl as a Jewish state. His idea of peace is to have ANY Muslim who calls himself or herself a Palestinian with NO test, the right of return and automatic citizenship in Israel. That's his solution for peace. Is it yours? You think you should move 10 million people claiming to be Palestinians into Israel? Abbas does. No other people in the world is defined as a refugee if they are second generation refugee except Palestinians and that includes Canada. But you new that?

Hamas didn't come about because of Israel. It was created by the Muslim brotherhood after WW2 and it rose to power  because Arafat and his PLO were corrupt and stole billions of foreign aid money and placed it in Swiss and French bank accounts. Arafat, do you even know who and what he was?  He was an Egyptian who had to keep his homosexuality in the closet and who in the Palestinian world was ridiculed for his gay closeted lifestyle and Egyptian accent. He was the protige of the Mullah of Jerusalem, who in W2 lived as a guest of Hitler and broadcast daily back to Arabs to defeat the British and wipe the Jews off the planet earth. That's Arafat's origins being a messenger for the Mullah. Arafat ran opium and hash hish caravans from Afghanistan. Iran, Iraq, through Lebanan and Jordan to Marseilles, France protected by the KGB and Deuxieme Bureau, France's equivalent to the CIA.

Arafat fought Hamas over control of Gaza. That had nothing to do with Israel.

Tell me you even know who lives on the West Bank? Arafat did In fact he knew since the majority were NOT Palestinians but Muslims who flooded the West Bank from Iraq and other Arab counties because of British immigration policies to prevent a Jewish state he blew up the land titles office. He blew it up because it showed how non Palestinian Muslims stole land from Palestinian Muslims. Arafat knew that Palestinian identity  was a fictional creation  of his own. Actual Palestinians were ultra orthodox Jess living in Hebron and Jerusalem, other non religious Jews, Itinerant Muslims and Christians. None of them owned land. It was owned by absentee landlords from the Ottoman Empire. When the British flooded the West Bank with Arabs it was to prevent Jews from creating a nation. It also displaced all the Palestinian Muslims.

You subscribe to a friggin myth. A smug Canadian myth where you came from a cabbage leaf in Canada and where  anyone Muslim is automatically a Palestinian if they came to Palestinian but a Jew born in Palestine or who came there, nope not them, they were settlers from outside. That double standard comes from someone born in Canada who knows nothing about the origins of Jews and thinks we all suddenly came from Europe.

Jews were no more foreign to Palestinian than the Muslims who flooded Palestine. More to the point Israel has always had an equal amount of Tsfardic or Mitzrahi  Jews from Arab countries no different than these Muslims who came to Palestine and Felashie Jews and Jews from Sudan, Africa, Asia, India, no they did not come from Europe.

Now you want to discuss Israeli state policies go ahead but don't tell me the majority of Israelis are European, that is false. Don't pose the issues as if its simply because of what Israel does.

Go read the damn constitution of Hamas. You think they will recognize Israel if it pulls out of the West Bank? What world do you live in. The day they withdrew from the West Bank Hamas attacked them and has never stopped. When Israeli withdrew from Lebanon the Hezbollah said they would disarm and live peacefully side by side. The day Israel withdrew, Hezbollah attacked.

Tell me if Rene Levesque declared a terror campaign on Canada, if aboriginals in Canada declared a terror campaign  on Canada what the phack do you think our government would do?

Edited August 14, 2017 by Rue

[Argus]

On 8/12/2017 at 3:49 PM, herples said:

I challenge the settlement program, the Gaza wall, the refusal to the right of return to Palestinians stuck in other Arab countries, the moving away from the two state solution, the division of the PLO which lead to the rise of Hamas. I don't have to negatively stereotype anybody to say those policies are bad. 

Huh? The wall was put in place to stop the numerous suicide bombings, and has pretty much succeeded. The Palestinians brought it on themselves. If natives in Canada were blowing themselves up all over the place or violently attacking other people we'd see walls around their reservations too. The right of return is nonsense and will never happen. It's simply not a reasonable proposition as it would immediately cause Israel to have a majority Muslim population and lead to civil war. The PLO wasn't divided by Israel but by Palestinian voters. Besides, it's been 70 years. Almost no one is left alive from those times to return. What the 'right of return' wants is all their descendants to 'return' and that's not happening. Maybe they could be given the homes of some of the Jews chased out of Arab countries as compensation.

As to a two state solution, I don't believe it's workable. At best it would produce a dirt-poor nation much like Yemen, probably ruled by religious extremists, without any real resources or infrastructure. The best that could happen for the people living there  is for the West Bank to be absorbed by Jordan and Gaze to be absorbed by Egypt.

Edited August 14, 2017 by Argus