Sir Bandelot Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Text book shoulder check. Shoulder to head contact has never been illegal, and if you cut across the blueline staring at your own pass youre gonna have a short career. Its a contact sport and you need to have your head up. Perhaps, but what Don Cherry said about armor plated shoulder pads. For once I find myself agreeing with the old boy. Quote
dre Posted June 9, 2011 Report Posted June 9, 2011 Perhaps, but what Don Cherry said about armor plated shoulder pads. For once I find myself agreeing with the old boy. I couldnt agree more with both of you. The problem is the mismanaged NHL doesnt get that. Theyll keep making things worse with bad rules. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
scouterjim Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Perhaps, but what Don Cherry said about armor plated shoulder pads. For once I find myself agreeing with the old boy. Cherry is a fool who thinks he is funny, but fails badly in that regard. Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Wilber Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 (edited) Huh? All I was saying that past inconsistencies have little bearing on whether or not this particular one call was the right one. Actually they do. Because there has been no consistency, no one knows what a right call is, least of all the players. Edited June 10, 2011 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Black Dog Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Text book shoulder check. Shoulder to head contact has never been illegal, and if you cut across the blueline staring at your own pass youre gonna have a short career. Its a contact sport and you need to have your head up. It's pretty typical for the macho Neanderthal hockey set to blame the victim in these cases. The league was quite clear on the hit... if it had not been late it would have been legal. It's funny how people can bitch about the NHL's apparently random approach to discipline, only to hide behind the league when it suits their interests to do so. Now I know theres a lot of pussies out there that just cant stand to see someone get injured... they want guys like Eric Lindros to be able to skate the length of the ice staring at their own laces without getting pounded into oblivion. But the only way you can remove head contact from the game is to take all contact out. End of story. Like those pussies in the NFL who turned that league into a flag football league when they took an aggressive approach to curbing headshots, right? I have no problem suspending people for cheap shots or intentional blows to the head but this just wasnt one. This was a GREAT hit than 1/2 a second late. It would have been a great hit if Horton had the puck. In which case their probably would have been no hit at all. Rome did EXACTLY what defensmen are taught to do. He stood up the player at his own line and put his shoulder into him. Rome was backing up, reversed as Horton dished and then stepped into Horton. There would have been no injury at all on this play if Horton paid a little attention to the world around him instead of watching his own pass. Yeah don't blame the guy who put the late hit on him. That'd be crazy. It was made even worse by the fact Horton was accelerating. Watch the video again and watch Hortons feet. He does two left to right power strides right before the hit right in Romes direction... while looking over into the Corner. Even in my beer league you wont last if you do that. Yeah, players should avoid entering the attacking zone with speed because guys like Rome simply can't control their impulses. This suspension is grossly disproportionate to anything weve ever seen before in the playoffs... but the rules are changing... and the owners of the league want to take fighting and hitting out of the game so they can sell it to basketball fans... so in that context the suspension makes pretty good sense. What kind of cleft-lipped retard would equate trying to keep players from getting their brains scrambled (especially in light of all the recent information about the long-term effects of concussions) with "trying to take hitting out of the game"? It's not the Roman fucking Coliseum here. Use your head (or perhaps you have some first hand personal experience in the scrambled brains matter?) Quote
Wilber Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 (edited) Small point. Horton is one inch taller than Rome. For Rome to hit Horton in the head with his shoulder, either Horton would have to have his head down or Rome would have had to leave his feet. Edited June 10, 2011 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
sharkman Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 More info on the hit that I heard: Boston's press release of a "severe concussion" came out the morning after the hit, before the NHL had decided whether Rome would be suspended. It seems like a strategy to influence the decision and is something that Boston has complained about regarding Montreal's tactics in this regard. Then there is the fact that Horton was at the game 48 hours later. Treatment for a severe concussion is supposed to be plenty of bed rest and no physical activity among other things. A trip to the game appears to show that Horton wasn't hurt as bad as Boston is claiming. If Horton had gotten up immediately after the hit, then there would have been no penalty/suspension. Either a hit is legal, or illegal whether the person is hurt or not. Until the NHL is willing to accept this, more head injuries will occur. After reading here and elsewhere about how the Canucks are a dirty/diving team and seeing how many cheap shots, punches after the whistle that Boston is doing, I laugh. Boston is a real dirty team and for their coach to claim he insists on honor or class is hypocrisy at its worst. That said they could win the cup. As long as the refs let the crap and nonsense continue, then the dirtiest team has the advantage as they can hack and punch all they want. Quote
guyser Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 Small point. No one skates erect wilber, but checks do get laid while erect. (man , thats some wierd language) Quote
Wilber Posted June 10, 2011 Report Posted June 10, 2011 No one skates erect wilber, but checks do get laid while erect. (man , thats some wierd language) Should there be a rule then that tall guys cant hit short guys? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
sharkman Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 Geez, this series is giving me ulcers! What a performance from the Canucks and what a win. The D was very solid with Edler making 10 hits( total hits for the entire team - 47), and a come from nowhere story about Tanev, the 21 yr old playing in his first season with the cool hand of a seasoned pro. Bieksa said of him, "He played like he should have a cigarette in his mouth out there tonight." Roberto was a wall when he needed to be which wasn't that often with the D hitting anything that moved. I was happy for Max scoring the goal against his old nemesis, Boston. The Canucks played Thomas just right. Don't give him a lot of shots to feed off of, only 24 instead of 40 the previous game. And the goal came off of a purposely wide shot that Thomas again challenged too much with his aggressive style, and he was too far out to come back and be ready for the carom on the other side. Quote
dre Posted June 11, 2011 Report Posted June 11, 2011 It's pretty typical for the macho Neanderthal hockey set to blame the victim in these cases. It's funny how people can bitch about the NHL's apparently random approach to discipline, only to hide behind the league when it suits their interests to do so. Like those pussies in the NFL who turned that league into a flag football league when they took an aggressive approach to curbing headshots, right? It would have been a great hit if Horton had the puck. In which case their probably would have been no hit at all. Rome was backing up, reversed as Horton dished and then stepped into Horton. Yeah don't blame the guy who put the late hit on him. That'd be crazy. Yeah, players should avoid entering the attacking zone with speed because guys like Rome simply can't control their impulses. What kind of cleft-lipped retard would equate trying to keep players from getting their brains scrambled (especially in light of all the recent information about the long-term effects of concussions) with "trying to take hitting out of the game"? It's not the Roman fucking Coliseum here. Use your head (or perhaps you have some first hand personal experience in the scrambled brains matter?) It would have been a great hit if Horton had the puck. In which case their probably would have been no hit at all. Yup. Great hit Rome was backing up, reversed as Horton dished and then stepped into Horton. Yeah that would be his job. Yeah don't blame the guy who put the late hit on him. That'd be crazy. Its not a matter of blame its a matter of common sense. You cant admire your passes when youre cutting across the other teams blue line... If you asked Horton hed tell you the same thing... same goes for any other player. What kind of cleft-lipped retard Lets leave your mom out of this, sport. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Jack Weber Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 Is this the first year the NBA Finals have finshed sooner than the Winter Filler Sport championship thingy? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Sir Bandelot Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 Is this the first year the NBA Finals have finshed sooner than the Winter Filler Sport championship thingy? There was NBA finals?? Quote
dre Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) There was NBA finals?? I think they were down there in Northerm Mexico somewhere? Those Latinos love their babminton! Edited June 13, 2011 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Black Dog Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 Yeah that would be his job. Delivering late hits? Its not a matter of blame its a matter of common sense. You cant admire your passes when youre cutting across the other teams blue line... If you asked Horton hed tell you the same thing... same goes for any other player. No, it's fucking ignorant when there was no reason for Horton to be on the look out, given how much time elapsed between him passing the puck and Rome making contact. Lets leave your mom out of this, sport. Funny; I was out of your mom earlier. Quote
dre Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 Delivering late hits? No, it's fucking ignorant when there was no reason for Horton to be on the look out, given how much time elapsed between him passing the puck and Rome making contact. Funny; I was out of your mom earlier. Delivering hits... a small percentage of which will inevitably be late. In any case... If Rome doesnt finish his check there, he would still be playing in the minors. His job is to hit and hit hard... sometimes when you do that youre going to have this type of incident... It was ruled a foul and hes paying the price for it. No, it's fucking ignorant when there was no reason for Horton to be on the look out, given how much time elapsed between him passing the puck and Rome making contact. Less than 1 second had elapsed... and 1/2 a second late is allowed. So we are talking about a difference of less than 1/2 a second. Now I know that when youre sitting on your couch watching the game in Moms basement it probably seems to you like Rome could have just let up or timed things differently. But thats just pure fantasy like your assertion that theres "no reason to be on the lookout" when youre cutting across the blue line with speed. Any player on earth will tell you thats a recipe to have a short career. Go talk to Eric Lindros about that. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Jack Weber Posted June 14, 2011 Report Posted June 14, 2011 There was NBA finals?? Just pointing out the sillyness of the National Winter Fuller Sport Leagues nearly ceaseless season.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Shady Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Even the Leafs could've won a game in Boston. Vancouver sucks. Quote
Shady Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) Just pointing out the sillyness of the National Winter Fuller Sport Leagues nearly ceaseless season.... Agreed. The NHL needs chop down its regular season by a couple of weeks. The NBA starts its season a month AFTER the NHL, plays the same number of games, and has the samenumber of playoff rounds. Yet they've wrapped up their season. And the NHL is still going and going. Edited June 15, 2011 by Shady Quote
Smallc Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Yet they've wrapped up their season. And the NHL is still going and going. And the NHLs fans don't seem to mind. Quote
Shady Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 And the NHLs fans don't seem to mind. Well, that's debatable. Quote
Black Dog Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 The NBA starts its season a month AFTER the NHL, plays the same number of games, and has the samenumber of playoff rounds. Yet they've wrapped up their season. And the NHL is still going and going. Yeah they wrapped up their season three whole days before the NHL. Quote
Shady Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Yeah they wrapped up their season three whole days before the NHL. But they started their season a month after the NHL. So they started later AND finished sooner. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 But they started their season a month after the NHL. So they started later AND finished sooner. Remeber that it is a business. As long as fans are willing to pay to watch, the season will continue. Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 (edited) Remeber that it is a business. As long as fans are willing to pay to watch, the season will continue. Right! And the National Winter Filler Sport League has comparatively little revenue from TV (unlike far more popular sports like football ,baseball etc.)So it has to drag out it's season and play off schedule to maximize gate... Hey,it's a niche/seasonal sport that plays 2/3rds of its games out of season...There's a reason for this and it's not because it's popular! Edited June 15, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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