DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 But clearly God is emphasizing in these Genesis passages that there is no macro-evolution. Man is not related to chimps, or to reptiles, or to fishes! Why did many dinosaurs have feathers? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 I'm an atheist and I 'know'. So what's my fate? Damnation for eternity? Do Dogs go to heaven? How about real dogs? Does their heaven include cats? Is that cat heaven?...a heaven with dogs, that is. Well DogonPorch, since you say you are an atheist and you also say that you know.....for the life of me I don't understand why you're so concerned about heaven and hell! You're an atheist....therefore you must believe when you die, you're gone! You're dead! The End. So what's with all these drama about your fate? Damnation for eternity? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Do you believe all dinosaurs lived at the same time sharing the same landscape (with humans presumably) or did they live in different ages over a span of 100 million + years? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Well DogonPorch, since you say you are an atheist and you also say that you know.....for the life of me I don't understand why you're so concerned about heaven and hell! You're an atheist....therefore you must believe when you die, you're gone! You're dead! The End. So what's with all these drama about your fate? Damnation for eternity? Oh, don't y'all worry about l'il ol' me. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 How old is the planet Earth, in your opinion, betsy? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 Do you believe all dinosaurs lived at the same time sharing the same landscape (with humans presumably) or did they live in different ages over a span of 100 million + years? Well I told you that I don't care whether the earth is young or old....and I don't care either whether the dinosaurs lived alongside humans or not. Some Christians are splitting hairs over that (some believe in young earth, etc..,) spending so much time debating over those. There's some evidence that shows humans and dinosaurs had a time-share in the same landscape. If that's true, fine. If not, fine too. That doesn't change anything for me. What I believe is that God created everything. Quote
betsy Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 Oh, don't y'all worry about l'il ol' me. Oh no, I'm not worried about you at all. I don't know why you'd say that after all, it's you who seems to be so worried. You're the one asking about what your fate will be, damnation for eternitiy....and all those questions about hell, and heaven. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 What I believe is that God created everything. That's handy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hE_OehRLH3s Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 There's some evidence that shows humans and dinosaurs had a time-share in the same landscape. The Flintstones? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 That's handy. Well, that's what He's telling us to believe in the Bible. He created everything. Having faith does not worry about the details. You just believe. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Well, that's what He's telling us to believe in the Bible. He created everything. Having faith does not worry about the details. You just believe. Plus, once you die, you never ever have to worry about Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Other Christian sects or any other manner of worldly chaff. It's just like....well....Heaven. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) The Flintstones? So what do you say about this comment by Lewontin that shows what a lot of us are saying about the un-reliability of some scientists - Dawkins among them! And of course how can we take theories such as evolutoon seriously? By the looks of it, some evolutionist (pseudo)scientists are a big joke! Vulgarly funnier than the Flintstones! Although Lewontin wants the public to accept science as the only source of truth, he freely admits that mainstream science itself is not free of the hokum that Sagan so often found in fringe science. As examples he cites three influential scientists who are particularly successful at writing for the public: E. O. Wilson, Richard Dawkins, and Lewis Thomas, each of whom has put unsubstantiated assertions or counterfactual claims at the very center of the stories they have retailed in the market.Lewontin laments that even scientists frequently cannot judge the reliability of scientific claims outside their fields of speciality, and have to take the word of recognized authorities on faith. "Who am I to believe about quantum physics if not Steven Weinberg, or about the solar system if not Carl Sagan? What worries me is that they may believe what Dawkins and Wilson tell them about evolution." http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/JohnsonMaterialism.php Edited June 2, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Plus, once you die, you never ever have to worry about Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Other Christian sects or any other manner of worldly chaff. It's just like....well....Heaven. So there you go. I told you, you shouldn't waste what time you got left asking all those questions about heaven and hell - places you don't believe exist anyway! ....Or on eternal damnation and your fate after death - a situation you believe you'll never face anyway! ....unless.......nah, that can't be..... Edited June 2, 2011 by betsy Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) But clearly God is emphasizing in these Genesis passages that there is no macro-evolution. Man is not related to chimps, or to reptiles, or to fishes! It's a sin to put words in god's mouth. He didn't say that at all. He said he made man in his own image and he made him out of the earth. He could have taken his godly reason, shame, and opposable thumb and applied it to an existing primate. Who are you to tell him he didn't? Edited June 2, 2011 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Sir Bandelot Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 So there you go. I told you, you shouldn't waste what time you got left asking all those questions about heaven and hell - places you don't believe exist anyway! ....Or on eternal damnation and your fate after death - a situation you believe you'll never face anyway! ....unless.......nah, that can't be..... There's a special place in hell for people like DOP Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 There's a special place in hell for people like DOP I wouldn't want anything less than 1st class. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
sharkman Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Uh, the Muslims think Hindus are going to hell, dog, too. They think you're going to hell too. You can google it if you want to. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Uh, the Muslims think Hindus are going to hell, dog, too. They think you're going to hell too. You can google it if you want to. I'd much rather google 'handbaskets' to see if there are any good deals on the luxury models. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted June 2, 2011 Author Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Just something to think about. This is not meant as an insult to you atheists/skeptics....but there is this interesting irony about the wholehearted acceptance of the theory of evolution and the outright rejection of anything that even remotely suggests of a Divine or an Intelligent Designer. The words "myth," "sky-daddy" or anything similar that describes something not true, or "hokus-pokus" are used to mock the Christian belief. These words of disdain are freely and loosely thrown at the Christian belief. And yet, when we really take a good look and compare the theory of evolution to the Bible, which comes up short as far as scientifically-proven results is concerned? For all its bombast, there is still no valid evidence for evolution. What we we see are men trying to fill in the gaps to fit their theory. The dating methods used to date fossils are not that reliable....they can only date for so long, but not millions of years! The numerous hoaxes, scams and frauds perpetrated by science just so they can come up with "evidence" to support evolution also shows to what extent men of science can go to. Then you read numerous articles that expose some leading scientists involved in questionable conduct. One example is this: Just to fill out the picture, however, it seems that admirers of Dawkins have as low an opinion of Gould as Lewontin has of Dawkins or Wilson. According to a 1994 essay in the New York Review of Books by John Maynard Smith, the dean of British neo-Darwinists, "the evolutionary biologists with whom I have discussed his [Gould's] work tend to see him as a man whose ideas are so confused as to be hardly worth bothering with, but as one who should not be publicly criticized because he is at least on our side against the creationists. http://www.orthodoxytoday.org/articles/JohnsonMaterialism.php Scientists keeping mum and silent about obviously flawed ideas......one they wouldn't publicly criticized because he is against the creationists. If eminent experts say that evolution according to Gould is too confused to be worth bothering about, and others equally eminent say that evolution according to Dawkins rests on unsubstantiated assertions and counterfactual claims, the public can hardly be blamed for suspecting that grand-scale evolution may rest on something less impressive than rock-solid, unimpeachable fact. Then you read the Bible, and you see these scientific facts (listed here so far) written in it - long before they've been discovered or proven by science. Comparison between the two - theory of evolution and the Bible - the theory of evolution seems to fit the description, "myth" quite well. The Bible has several proven facts (pertaining to creation/origin), whereas after more than a century, there is still no evidence of evolution...but there are numerous frauds, misleading, dishonest unsubstantiated and counterfactual claims perpetrated to support it! Nothing seems real. Edited June 2, 2011 by betsy Quote
Jack Weber Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 Right away I have a serious problem with your layup. Do you recognize that the Old Testament is part of the Bible? And that the Bible has at least something to do with "strengthening the Jewish faith" and Jews "cementing their faith"? I hope you realized that our claim to the Bible is equally legitimate. Yes,I recognize your claim to the Old Testament... But like I tell my cousins....Ya' just have'nt made that final leap! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 I'd much rather google 'handbaskets' to see if there are any good deals on the luxury models. One should be stylish when one heads for The Abyss... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) For all its bombast, there is still no valid evidence for evolution. Errr...what is 'valid evidence' for evolution? I've already asked you why some dinosuars had feathers. But since we all lived together...dino and humans as per the Flintstones...and they all mysteriously fell off the Ark, apparently (even the flying and swimming variety), I'm really quite dubious that any such 'valid evidence' could exist for you. Edited June 2, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 One should be stylish when one heads for The Abyss... If Milton is correct...God is bloody boring anyways. At least Satan can play Texas Hold Em properly. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bloodyminded Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 (edited) Uh, the Muslims think Hindus are going to hell, dog, too. They think you're going to hell too. You can google it if you want to. Yes, I get really sick and tired of Dog defending Islam over Christianity all the time. He's so damned politically correct. Edited June 2, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted June 2, 2011 Report Posted June 2, 2011 If Milton is correct...God is bloody boring anyways. At least Satan can play Texas Hold Em properly. In contemporary academic parlance: "The Problem of the Satanic Anti-Hero in Milton's Paradise Lost" Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
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