betsy Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Media gave a new name to Harper, Teflon Harper. Why doesn't anything stick to him, they wonder out loud. Scandals after scandals, controversies and allegations...they all just bounce off him! I began to really pay close attention to Harper...to see if there's any change in him...watching for tell-tale signs of that teflon they're talking about. What I saw were more white hairs! Omigosh, those Opposition turned him gray overnight! He really needs the majority. Anyway, it occurred to me after a while, it's not because of teflon why nothing sticks to him. Nothing is wrong with his skin! It's because of the Oppositions, with the help of the media. One allegation after another. One "expose'" after another. And the media doesn't bother filtering or screening...they report each and every little thing. So we're saturated. It's like the bloody Boy Who Cried Wolf! Except this one still keeps crying...doesn't know when to quit! We've reached saturation point. People just tune them out. Since January of this year alone.....how many allegations, expose', scandals have been dug up and/or brought forth by the Oppositions? This week alone - right after Ignatieff made that Mansbridge interview - Goodale gave a conference and was whining about something to the press, and there was I think one or two more incidents...heck, I can't keep up! And now, just see how they ramp up....it's like nearing the peak of orgasm! Do you remember what they are? How good is your memory? Just for curiousity sake, let's put up the list of whines. Quote
TimG Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 It's like the bloody Boy Who Cried Wolf! Except this one still keeps crying...doesn't know when to quit! We've reached saturation point. People just tune them out.It is more lack of a credible opponent than anything. Quote
Topaz Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Today, the media asked Harper questions about the guy out in BC that has connection with a terrorist, that some how connected to the Tory party and the audience stood up and started clapping so Harper wouldn't have to answer. Now a days when it comes to voting in these elections, people don't really care about all the corruption, at least, Harper's supporters. It seem just as long as their guy wins nothing else matters, which is truly wrong. What ever happen to a honest democracy government in Canada? Quote
YEGmann Posted April 23, 2011 Report Posted April 23, 2011 Today, the media asked Harper questions about the guy out in BC that has connection with a terrorist, that some how connected to the Tory party and the audience stood up and started clapping so Harper wouldn't have to answer. Now a days when it comes to voting in these elections, people don't really care about all the corruption, at least, Harper's supporters. It seem just as long as their guy wins nothing else matters, which is truly wrong. What ever happen to a honest democracy government in Canada? One more pro-liberal media crap. It was not a media, it was a certain represenative of the second oldest profession. 1. Who was the reporter? 2. Why did the citizens boo him? Somehow these two questions are not reported. You can bet the devil is in details! Quote
kimmy Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Anyway, it occurred to me after a while, it's not because of teflon why nothing sticks to him. Nothing is wrong with his skin! It's because of the Oppositions, with the help of the media. One allegation after another. One "expose'" after another. And the media doesn't bother filtering or screening...they report each and every little thing. So we're saturated. It's like the bloody Boy Who Cried Wolf! Except this one still keeps crying...doesn't know when to quit! We've reached saturation point. People just tune them out. Somebody (Evening Star, maybe?) made a similar observation a while back. The opposition has tried to package legitimate issues right alongside nonsense like Bruce Carson's 22-year old girlfriend, and it makes all of it look trivial. "The boy who cried wolf" is a good allegory. When they cry bloody murder over Helena Guergis yelling at airport security staff or the Bev Oda thing, it just gets that much easier to tune them out, even when they actually have a point. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
BubberMiley Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 If he could get above 40% in the polls already, I'd say he's teflon. But the fact that 60% still, after all these years, can't stomach him indicates he's far more sticky than the rabid CPCers will ever let on. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
kimmy Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 If he could get above 40% in the polls already, I'd say he's teflon. But the fact that 60% still, after all these years, can't stomach him indicates he's far more sticky than the rabid CPCers will ever let on. Maybe it just means he's consistent. Some people will support him, regardless. Some people will never support him, regardless. Chretien never got much over 40% either. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Wild Bill Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 If he could get above 40% in the polls already, I'd say he's teflon. But the fact that 60% still, after all these years, can't stomach him indicates he's far more sticky than the rabid CPCers will ever let on. For the bazillionth time, how do you KNOW that 60% can't stomach him? We all know that 60% prefer someone else but that's NOT the same thing as they can't stand Harper! Some can't. Some just like someone else better! Do you have a poll or a breakdown of how all of that 60% feel? How many liked Ignatieff? Could we add his numbers to Harper's and make the claim that the total can't stomach Jack? Or are you just pulling things out of your butt? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Evening Star Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) Somebody (Evening Star, maybe?) made a similar observation a while back. The opposition has tried to package legitimate issues right alongside nonsense like Bruce Carson's 22-year old girlfriend, and it makes all of it look trivial. Yes, and it also made the Liberals seem like they were either blatantly insincere or else as clueless as the CPC when it comes to the actual seriousness of contempt for Parliament. Either way, it made me begin to lose trust in their platform. Edited April 24, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
RNG Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 What ever happen to a honest democracy government in Canada? PET killed it. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
RNG Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 If he could get above 40% in the polls already, I'd say he's teflon. But the fact that 60% still, after all these years, can't stomach him indicates he's far more sticky than the rabid CPCers will ever let on. But as I said in another thread, the fact that he has 40% support means that the Libs and the NDP each have less than 30%. Who's the winner? Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Evening Star Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) Close to 40% in a four-party system is pretty freakin' great, honestly. Edited April 24, 2011 by Evening Star Quote
Bryan Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 If he could get above 40% in the polls already, I'd say he's teflon. But the fact that 60% still, after all these years, can't stomach him indicates he's far more sticky than the rabid CPCers will ever let on. More people like Harper than like any of the other leaders. He gets more votes, and does much better in leadership index polls. Very few leaders have ever gotten a majority of the VOTES. Quote
Smallc Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 More people like Harper than like any of the other leaders. Actually, by some accounts, more people like Layton. Quote
Bryan Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Actually, by some accounts, more people like Layton. Which accounts are those? Layton is doing great, and he's definitely moving up fast, but all polls I've seen still show Harper ahead. example: http://www.nanosresearch.com/election2011/20110421-LeadershipE.pdf Quote
Smallc Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 On many metrics, such as like ability and trust in various polls, Layton is ahead. Quote
August1991 Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) More people like Harper than like any of the other leaders. He gets more votes, and does much better in leadership index polls. Very few leaders have ever gotten a majority of the VOTES.I don't think "like" is the operative word. Successful federal politicians are rarely liked. Respected is the best word one can hope for.Anyway, it occurred to me after a while, it's not because of teflon why nothing sticks to him. Nothing is wrong with his skin! It's because of the Oppositions, with the help of the media. One allegation after another. One "expose'" after another. And the media doesn't bother filtering or screening...they report each and every little thing. So we're saturated. It's not that we're saturated, it's that the supposed scandals are not scandals at all. (But I agree with your intent, betsy.)Here's a random list: Bev Oda (Bev Who?) Helena Guergis (WTF?) Isotopes Mad Max forgets briefing book (with ex-biker chick) Bruce Carson (& ex-hooker) In and Out "Harper Government" F-35 costs Contempt of Parliament cuts to women's groups reference to cultural galas Lisa Raitt (Lisa who?) Afghan detainees Montreal Port Authority nominees Census long form Jason Kenney staffer asks for money Prorogation Perhaps some of these issues matter more than others but in general, they all ammount to execrable ennui. These "scandals" are of such insignificance that one has to refer to Wikipedia to recall any detail. Harper has been subject to political torture by wet scandal noodle. It's as if, after adscam, the MSM and opposition could only imagine that the way to bring down Harper was to find a "scandal". Instead, Harper's remarkable feat is to have avoided so many other errors of neophyte governments. It is worth remembering that before 2006, Harper (and most of his ministers) had never sat around a cabinet table. Edited April 24, 2011 by August1991 Quote
eyeball Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Anyway, it occurred to me after a while, it's not because of teflon why nothing sticks to him. Nothing is wrong with his skin! It's because of the Oppositions, with the help of the media. One allegation after another. One "expose'" after another. And the media doesn't bother filtering or screening...they report each and every little thing. So we're saturated. Ultimately the problem is with his supporters who are obviously willing to continue lowering their standards of acceptance. Harper would probably have to be caught buggering little kids before he'd ever give his base of support a reason to budge. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Keepitsimple Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 One more pro-liberal media crap. It was not a media, it was a certain represenative of the second oldest profession. 1. Who was the reporter? 2. Why did the citizens boo him? Somehow these two questions are not reported. You can bet the devil is in details! 1) It was Terry Milewski of the CBC....no surprise there. 2) After Milewski asked his question in a long-winded manner that included terrorism, corruption, trust and credibility, Harper answered him directly. His follow-up question started with "With all due respect, do you really think it's plausible........." CBC attack dogs. It was great to see him drowned out - he deserved it. Quote Back to Basics
Smallc Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 CBC attack dogs. It was great to see him drowned out - he deserved it. Yes...how dare the media question the dear leader. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 (edited) Yes...how dare the media question the dear leader. It isn't the questions it's the smarmy, nose in the air attitude that the left wing media has. The look at the the conservatives as uneducated awhile the lefties are enlightened and the only ones who are fit to guide Canada. That's the problem. Edited April 24, 2011 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Smallc Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 It isn't the questions it's the smarmy, nose in the air attitude that the left wing media has. And here I thought it was the fact that Harper won't take unscripted questions and keeps going further into the bubble. LEFT WING MEDIA.... Quote
bloodyminded Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 It isn't the questions it's the smarmy, nose in the air attitude that the left wing media has. The look at the the conservatives as uneducated awhile the lefties are enlightened and the only ones who are fit to guide Canada. That's the problem. It isn't a "left wing" media, and so this fact problematizes your point a little bit. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Scotty Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 Today, the media asked Harper questions about the guy out in BC that has connection with a terrorist, that some how connected to the Tory party and the audience stood up and started clapping so Harper wouldn't have to answer. Now a days when it comes to voting in these elections, people don't really care about all the corruption, at least, Harper's supporters. I care very much about corruption. if you find any, let me know. That a candidate went to a meeting, and one of the guys who attended was a former accused terrorist doesn't strike me as 'corruption'. But tell you what, if the Liberals fire Ignatieff, force him out of the party because he held a meeting, knowingly, with a known terrorist supporter who had actually applauded the beating of one of Ignatieff's ministers, then I'll at least agree you guys have the right to bitch about such things. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted April 24, 2011 Report Posted April 24, 2011 If he could get above 40% in the polls already, I'd say he's teflon. But the fact that 60% still, after all these years, can't stomach him indicates he's far more sticky than the rabid CPCers will ever let on. And what does that make Ignatieff and Layton who can only dream of reaching 30%? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
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