scouterjim Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 what chances are there that Justin Trudeau will try for party leadership? Running on his daddy's coattails might make many Liberals nostalgic for the worst era of Liberal leadership in Canada. You know, everything for Ontario; graciously bowing to Quebec; ignoring the Atlantic provinces, and giving only the finger to the west. Political correctness could run wild under a man who thinks honour killings should not be called "barbaric". Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
M.Dancer Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 what chances are there that Justin Trudeau will try for party leadership? Running on his daddy's coattails might make many Liberals nostalgic for the worst era of Liberal leadership in Canada. You know, everything for Ontario; graciously bowing to Quebec; ignoring the Atlantic provinces, and giving only the finger to the west. Political correctness could run wild under a man who thinks honour killings should not be called "barbaric". I would say little chance. Rae has more cred.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
RNG Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 He is pretty enough. That seems to be what kept his dad in power as far as I can tell. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
Michael Hardner Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 what chances are there that Justin Trudeau will try for party leadership? Running on his daddy's coattails might make many Liberals nostalgic for the worst era of Liberal leadership in Canada. You know, everything for Ontario; graciously bowing to Quebec; ignoring the Atlantic provinces, and giving only the finger to the west. Political correctness could run wild under a man who thinks honour killings should not be called "barbaric". I don't think that he's ready for this step, and if he does then he can try. If he makes a misstep at this stage, though, then it will stick with him forever. His father had accomplished much more by his age. Unfortunately, he will have to live with those comparisons as his name is probably the only thing that gets him mentioned for leadership. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 I don't think that he's ready for this step, and if he does then he can try. If he makes a misstep at this stage, though, then it will stick with him forever. His father had accomplished much more by his age. Unfortunately, he will have to live with those comparisons as his name is probably the only thing that gets him mentioned for leadership. Since I totally disagree with the OP's premise... I have to disagree with your assessment as well Justin Trudeau is very much his own man... He is a "chip off the old block" in that he's very smart, speaks outstandingly well, and has his father's passion for what's right and best for ALL Canadians not just certain segments of the Canadian dynamic... At 40, with his background (you may want to read it on his website) he's more than ready to become Liberal leader should he choose to... Personnally, having heard him speak in person a couple of TIMES, I'd welcome him in that role... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
scouterjim Posted April 4, 2011 Author Report Posted April 4, 2011 Since I totally disagree with the OP's premise... I have to disagree with your assessment as well Justin Trudeau is very much his own man... He is a "chip off the old block" in that he's very smart, speaks outstandingly well, and has his father's passion for what's right and best for ALL Canadians not just certain segments of the Canadian dynamic... At 40, with his background (you may want to read it on his website) he's more than ready to become Liberal leader should he choose to... Personnally, having heard him speak in person a couple of TIMES, I'd welcome him in that role... He may be "his own man", but he WILL run on his name, and NOT his achievements (whatever those may be). His father would be constantly brought up. Nobody would know him if it wasn't for his father's name and reputation. All I know is that FEW in the west will EVER vote for another Trudeau! Quote I have captured the rare duct taped platypus.
Michael Hardner Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Since I totally disagree with the OP's premise... I have to disagree with your assessment as well Justin Trudeau is very much his own man... He is a "chip off the old block" in that he's very smart, speaks outstandingly well, and has his father's passion for what's right and best for ALL Canadians not just certain segments of the Canadian dynamic... At 40, with his background (you may want to read it on his website) he's more than ready to become Liberal leader should he choose to... Personnally, having heard him speak in person a couple of TIMES, I'd welcome him in that role... Trudeau the elder, by 40 years old had studied political economy at Harvard (Master's degree) and the London school of Economics towards a Phd, had founded Cite Libre and established himself as a leading intellectual, as well as acting as an economic policy advisor. Trudeau the younger has a BA, and a B.Ed. From his wiki page: He has been a campaigner for winter sports safety since the death of his brother Michel in an avalanche on a ski trip in 1998. On 17 September 2006, Trudeau hosted a rally in Ramsden Park in Toronto, calling for Canadian participation in the Darfur crisis. Justin was the keynote speaker at Burlington's Notre Dame Leadership Conference 2008. In fall 2010, Justin Trudeau was assigned to be the Official Opposition Critic for Youth, Citizenship and Immigration. Just not a lot there for the young man to campaign on. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ToadBrother Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 what chances are there that Justin Trudeau will try for party leadership? Running on his daddy's coattails might make many Liberals nostalgic for the worst era of Liberal leadership in Canada. You know, everything for Ontario; graciously bowing to Quebec; ignoring the Atlantic provinces, and giving only the finger to the west. Political correctness could run wild under a man who thinks honour killings should not be called "barbaric". It was a stupid statement, and I wouldn't hold it him against him per se. Still, he's got a ways to go. His old man, even if totally wrong, would never have backtracked like he did, and would probably have had some sort of open or barely concealed insult waiting for his detractors. If Trudeau is destined for a leadership position, I think he needs a lot more experience under his belt. I think we're talking a decade, maybe more. He's not today's leader, that's for sure. Quote
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 He may be "his own man", but he WILL run on his name, and NOT his achievements (whatever those may be). His father would be constantly brought up. Nobody would know him if it wasn't for his father's name and reputation. All I know is that FEW in the west will EVER vote for another Trudeau! Perhaps... Kinda the same reasoning I use when I say I'll never vote "Conservative" because I associate Diefenbacker, MORONey, and "king" Harper with that brand... ps - I consider Manitoba the "gateway to the west", and last I checked there's still a Liberal or two to the west of me, so you just may be wrong in what you state... Whodda thunk Calgary of all places would go for a visible minority, Muslim, "leftist", mayor, eh... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Tilter Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 I see by all posts that Iggy is already gone from the Liberal party and the party is willing again to trust the helm to yet the third untried academia denizen. Serve a term as a Parliamentarian (or not even a term) and go for the gold--- Looks like a sound plan,. after all, how could it fail? :lol: Quote
Tilter Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Perhaps... Kinda the same reasoning I use when I say I'll never vote "Conservative" because I associate Diefenbacker, MORONey, and "king" Harper with that brand... ps - I consider Manitoba the "gateway to the west", and last I checked there's still a Liberal or two to the west of me, so you just may be wrong in what you state... Whodda thunk Calgary of all places would go for a visible minority, Muslim, "leftist", mayor, eh... You got that right---"ps - I consider Manitoba the "gateway to the west", and last I checked there's still a Liberal or two to the west of me," A liberal or 2 being the key words Quote
Keepitsimple Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) At 40, with his background (you may want to read it on his website) he's more than ready to become Liberal leader should he choose to... Personnally, having heard him speak in person a couple of TIMES, I'd welcome him in that role... It's important that the Liberals get it right the next time. Trudeau is a lightweight. If he didn't have the name, he would be a nobody. I've seen him on Power & Politics and Power Play a couple of times. Even at 40, he's immature and can easily get flustered. He doesn't have the measured insight that serious politicians have and no, he won't grow into the role. He just doesn't have it - he's got too much of his mother in him. Edited April 4, 2011 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
dre Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 It's important that the Liberals get it right the next time. Trudeau is a lightweight. If he didn't have the name, he would be a nobody. I've seen him on Power & Politics and Power Play a couple of times. Even at 40, he's immature and can easily get flustered. He doesn't have the measured insight that serious politicians have and no, he won't grow into the role. He just doesn't have it - he's got too much of his mother in him. It's important that the Liberals get it right the next time. The liberals will probably get their next shot at power based on what the Harper government does WRONG, not what the liberals do RIGHT. No different than how the conservatives got in last time... it wasnt because they had endearing policy ideas, or a great leader... it was because the population got mad about adscam and "threw the bums out". Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 You got that right---"ps - I consider Manitoba the "gateway to the west", and last I checked there's still a Liberal or two to the west of me," A liberal or 2 being the key words Guess those 2 Liberal MPs in Manitoba, and the other Liberal MPs to the west of me just voted themselves in, eh... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Moonbox Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Kinda the same reasoning I use when I say I'll never vote "Conservative" because I associate Diefenbacker, MORONey, and "king" Harper with that brand... So basically you're saying is it's perfectly reasonable for the West to spit at the name of Trudeau. Good work. Whodda thunk Calgary of all places would go for a visible minority, Muslim, "leftist", mayor, eh... It's a bit of a blow to the perception that Calgary is full of gun-totin' Muslim fearin', abortion hatin' Bible Thumpers that everyone makes them out to be isn't it?? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 The liberals will probably get their next shot at power based on what the Harper government does WRONG, not what the liberals do RIGHT. No different than how the conservatives got in last time... it wasnt because they had endearing policy ideas, or a great leader... it was because the population got mad about adscam and "threw the bums out". While you're correct in what you state I don't see why the Liberals can't have it BOTH ways as a way to get back into being the Government of Canada... Personally I think the Liberals have several potentially GREAT MPs among their ranks, perhaps including Justin Trudeau, perhaps not, a bridge to be crossed down the line... Even the much disparaged (2 YEARS worth of attack ads) "Iggy" is showing considerably better than some on this board would like to have people believe.... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Jack Weber Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 It's a bit of a blow to the perception that Calgary is full of gun-totin' Muslim fearin', abortion hatin' Bible Thumpers that everyone makes them out to be isn't it?? Or,perhaps,the demographics are changing in Calgary and maybe in the not too distant future,it may become less conservative? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 So basically you're saying is it's perfectly reasonable for the West to spit at the name of Trudeau. Good work. It's a bit of a blow to the perception that Calgary is full of gun-totin' Muslim fearin', abortion hatin' Bible Thumpers that everyone makes them out to be isn't it?? Yep... It sure is a "blow" to all those gun-totin' Muslim fearin', abortion hatin' Bible Thumpers in Calgary all right, which is exactly my point... Just maybe there's more "centrists" than "right wing extremists" in the "west" these days than most people realize... Heck, I even heard a rumour about an NDP, gawd forbid, MP residing in ALBERTA... No way for THAT to ever happen, eh... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
blueblood Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Yep... It sure is a "blow" to all those gun-totin' Muslim fearin', abortion hatin' Bible Thumpers in Calgary all right, which is exactly my point... Just maybe there's more "centrists" than "right wing extremists" in the "west" these days than most people realize... Heck, I even heard a rumour about an NDP, gawd forbid, MP residing in ALBERTA... No way for THAT to ever happen, eh... And those centrists are voting tory thus painting the west blue!! Those dern centrist rednecks done outfoxed them liberals again Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Even the much disparaged (2 YEARS worth of attack ads) "Iggy" is showing considerably better than some on this board would like to have people believe.... Oh sure....Ignatieff and his party are polling real swell, just like Dion and company back in 2008: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2008 Gee, I would gladly sacrifice my vote in the US for a chance at this very exciting, nail biting, photo-finish of a Canadian election. LOL! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
fellowtraveller Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 I would say little chance. Rae has more cred.... I'd say no chance. Trudeau is a lightweight, and the Liberals know it. Harper would love love love facing Trudeau as Lib leader.... Rae is a more formidable opponent, but too much baggage all around to get elected.The only guy I see in LiberalLand as a Harper slayer is Frank McKenna, and he has already passed twice on the Gong Show the Libs have run since Martin was thrown to the wolves. Too bad for them, he could beat Harper. I expect he'd exact a high price if he ever agreed to run the show, like a) an unopposed coronation as leader(like Iggy had) and b ) turfing most of the national executive for starters. Quote The government should do something.
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 (edited) Oh sure....Ignatieff and his party are polling real swell, just like Dion and company back in 2008: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_in_the_Canadian_federal_election,_2008 Gee, I would gladly sacrifice my vote in the US for a chance at this very exciting, nail biting, photo-finish of a Canadian election. LOL! Kinda thought you did in '08... In a reverse sort of way one could say... Edited April 4, 2011 by GWiz Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 Kinda thought you did in '08... In a reverse sort of way one could say... How is Ignatieff doing demonstrably better than Dion, save for the French citizenship thing? Oh wait, Ignatieff has the American citizenship thing...sorry! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GWiz Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 And those centrists are voting tory thus painting the west blue!! Those dern centrist rednecks done outfoxed them liberals again Yup... Too bad the election wasn't April 2nd instead of being on May 2nd, eh... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Oleg Bach Posted April 4, 2011 Report Posted April 4, 2011 So basically you're saying is it's perfectly reasonable for the West to spit at the name of Trudeau. Good work. It's a bit of a blow to the perception that Calgary is full of gun-totin' Muslim fearin', abortion hatin' Bible Thumpers that everyone makes them out to be isn't it?? I heard Mapleleafweb...........describe on the net as "A formally very popular site generated out of the bible belt of Canada" - that does not sound that bad to me. Wonder why this site went from popular to minimal? Could it be that liberals simply swarmed them into submission? Quote
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