BC_chick Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 I thought the polls were favoring Christy Clark, but didn't reflect a majority, just a minority? No, NDP was supposedly poised to win. Quote It's kind of the worst thing that any humans could be doing at this time in human history. Other than that, it's fine." Bill Nye on Alberta Oil Sands
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Chrétien and Martin were hardly fire-breathing radicals. Change is gradual here. The Conservatives have followed the policies of Chretien and Martin for the most part. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 The Conservatives have followed the policies of Chretien and Martin for the most part. Did Chretien and Martin cheat on elections? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Did Chretien and Martin cheat on elections? We're talking about fiscal policy. It's also worth mentioning that in Chretien's time, the rules were far far looser. What he did then would be cheating or worse today. Edited October 15, 2015 by Smallc Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 We're talking about fiscal policy. It's also worth mentioning that in Chretien's time, the rules were far far looser. What he did then would be cheating or worse today. In what way? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 In what way? Spending and contribution limits were very different for starters. Most of the Liberal donors were outlawed with changes Chretien made on his way out (how convenient for him - and before you say anything I was a big fan). Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Spending and contribution limits were very different for starters. Most of the Liberal donors were outlawed with changes Chretien made on his way out (how convenient for him - and before you say anything I was a big fan). Well, first, I'm a big fan of spending limits. And second, he didn't cheat. You can't in any way compare that to robocalls or the in and out scandal or Del Mastro in chains (hey that last one could be the name of a band) Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
jbg Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Will the Dan Gagnier scandal have any impact? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
ReeferMadness Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Will the Dan Gagnier scandal have any impact? Some - but I doubt it will be huge. And I think calling it a scandal is an overstatement. To my knowledge he didn't break any laws or the code of ethics guidelines. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Well, first, I'm a big fan of spending limits. And second, he didn't cheat. There is some pretty strong evidence that he did bike the taxpayers out of a large portion of $250M though. That's probably important. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 There is some pretty strong evidence that he did bike the taxpayers out of a large portion of $250M though. That's probably important. That was bad but it's not cheating on elections. Right wingers tend to care about money but overlook Harper's undermining of democracy. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 That was bad but it's not cheating on elections. Right wingers tend to care about money but overlook Harper's undermining of democracy. I've already criticized the government on some of their current democratic failings. I think it's hard to hold Chretien up as a picture of ethics, is what I'm saying. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Let's start another thread for these policy discussions and stick to the polls here. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Let's start another thread for these policy discussions and stick to the polls here. Agreed. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
ReeferMadness Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I've already criticized the government on some of their current democratic failings. I think it's hard to hold Chretien up as a picture of ethics, is what I'm saying. Don't think I ever did that. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Liberals leading 6% in spite of vicious attacks and campaign of character assassination by the desperate conservative party. Latest Nanos poll release Oct. 16th: Liberals 36.5% conservatives - 30.6% NDP - 23.5% National Ballot -The latest Nanos nightly tracking has the Liberals with 36.5% support, the Conservatives at 30.6%, the NDP at 23.5%, and the Greens at 4.7% nationally. • Accessible Vote – Asked a series of independent questions as to whether they would consider or not consider voting for each of the federal parties, 54.5% of Canadians would consider voting for the Liberals, 39.7% would consider the NDP, 37.9% would consider the Conservatives, 22.7% would consider the Greens and 33.1% would consider the BQ (Quebec only). I am guessing that the conservative leader appearing with notorious FORD brothers on Saturday will be enough to push conservatives down further and Liberal up a couple of percentage points so that they may cross into MAJORITY territories as a result as many Canadian would witness and realize true vicious hypocritical nature of this conservative party Yes Ford brothers have support in GTA since in spite of everything they are influential (they are rich and bullies) so though the conservatives may get some votes in GTA but they will lose more elsewhere. Edited October 16, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I am guessing that the conservative leader appearing with notorious FORD brothers on Saturday will be enough to push conservatives down further and Liberal up a couple of percentage points so that they may cross into MAJORITY territories as a result as many Canadian would witness and realize true vicious hypocritical nature of this conservative party Yes Ford brothers have support in GTA since in spite of everything they are influential (they are rich and bullies) so though the conservatives may get some votes in GTA but they will lose more elsewhere. I simply don't see where the Liberals are going to get a majority from. And frankly, US late night hosts paid more attention to the Tales of Rob than most of the country outside Toronto. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) The Liberals can't take a majority. They won't get > 25 seats in the Maritimes and they won't get > 25 seats out West. So that's 120 seats or more between Ontario and Québec's 199 seats. That's never going to happen. Not in this election anyway. Edited October 16, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 The Liberals can't take a majority. They won't get > 25 seats in the Maritimes and they won't get > 25 seats out West. So that's 120 seats or more between Ontario and Québec's 199 seats. That's never going to happen. Not in this election anyway. I'm really sensing a similar situation to 2006. Now, as then, I think the voters wanted change, but they didn't want to hand an untried leader the whole show, so they gave him training wheels in the form of a minority. It suits me fine. I like the idea of a government actually forced to face a dubious and even hostile Parliament, rather than a government that views Parliament as a rubber stamp. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 I simply don't see where the Liberals are going to get a majority from. They need another 3 percentage points and conservative leader who always stood for law and order and his party attacked Trudeau for past alleged drug use now in rally and handshakes with notorious Ford brothers on the same platform may just do this as voters will see the hypocrisy and dishonesty on the part of conservative party. Only a couple of percent need abandoning the conservatives and a percent or 2 strategic voters to abandon the NDP and vote for Liberals to push them to 40%. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 They need another 3 percentage points and conservative leader who always stood for law and order and his party attacked Trudeau for past alleged drug use now in rally and handshakes with notorious Ford brothers on the same platform may just do this as voters will see the hypocrisy and dishonesty on the part of conservative party. Only a couple of percent need abandoning the conservatives and a percent or 2 strategic voters to abandon the NDP and vote for Liberals to push them to 40%. It isn't going to happen. The Liberals will get a moderate minority of 130 seats or thereabouts. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) They need another 3 percentage pointsThey need over 50% of the seats. That's the problem. The composition of parliament does not resemble the popular vote. Just because the Conservative did it with 39% of the popular vote doesn't mean the Liberals will be able to. Edited October 16, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) It isn't going to happen. The Liberals will get a moderate minority of 130 seats or thereabouts. I would be happy with that. Then they have to also work/compromise with NDP (some of its policies) and this is not a bad thing at all. Edited October 16, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Vancouver King Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Liberals leading 6% in spite of viscous attacks and campaign of character assassination by the desperate conservative party. Latest Nanos poll release Oct. 16th: Liberals 36.5% conservatives - 30.6% NDP - 23.5% I am guessing that the conservative leader appearing with notorious FORD brothers on Saturday will be enough to push conservatives down further and Liberal up a couple of percentage points so that they may cross into MAJORITY territories as a result as many Canadian would witness and realize true vicious hypocritical nature of this conservative party Yes Ford brothers have support in GTA since in spite of everything they are influential (they are rich and bullies) so though the conservatives may get some votes in GTA but they will lose more elsewhere. After finding out Trudeau hired a non-registered oil industry lobbyist/employee as his national campaign co-chair, and bearing in mind the sponsorship scandal, why are you in such a frenzy to see Liberals attain a majority - and unfettered access to the treasury? A Liberal minority with NDP principled oversight is the obvious answer to all anti-Harper voters. For this to happen the Liberal surge must be further blunted. Quote When the people have no tyrant, their public opinion becomes one. ...... Lord Lytton
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Back to polls. Not sure if this is posted in this thread but Forum poll out this morning also confirms Liberal 6% Lead over the conservatives. Liberals - 37% conservatives - 31% NDP - 24% TORONTO October 14th , 2015 - In a random sampling of public opinion taken by the Forum Poll™ among 1438 Canadian voters five days before the federal election, just fewer than 4-in-10 will vote Liberal (37%) while just more than 3-in-10 will vote Conservative (31%). These proportions have not changed since we polled last Friday. The NDP has the support of about one quarter (24%) and this has not changed either (October 9 - 23%). http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/ebd925a1-af27-4fd4-8122-ae256d165044Federal%20Horserace%20News%20Release%20%282015%2010%2014%29%20Forum%20Research.pdf It appears 37% versus 30-31% is more like it based on a few recent polls. Quote
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