On Guard for Thee Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 If there is any BS going on - it's Trudeau's position on C51 - one more reason why voters are leaving the Liberals in droves for the NDP. That hurt him for sure, but I wouldn't say "in droves" otherwise it wouldn't be such a tight 3 way race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 But it's Mulcair who will do the beating up. And Harper will be at the top of his list. If you've ever watched QP you know how good Tom can be, and how obvious the CPC talking points are usually nothing more than deflections. That'll be the really funny part. Why? Muclair's potential voters would never vote for Harper anyway. He needs to move people away from the Liberals. It the NDP win this election it'll be because JT is a complete failure at leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Why? Muclair's potential voters would never vote for Harper anyway. He needs to move people away from the Liberals. It the NDP win this election it'll be because JT is a complete failure at leader. The Harper base won't likely be affected by Harper's stumbles, but there is a lot of soft voters out there who may be. If the NDP win it will be because the country is tired of Harper and is ready for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 The Harper base won't likely be affected by Harper's stumbles, but there is a lot of soft voters out there who may be. If the NDP win it will be because the country is tired of Harper and is ready for a change. You don't get the idea of the political spectrum do you? The NDP aren't swaying likely Harper voters. They've got to attack the Liberals for support. For example seats in Downtown Toronto the only way the NDP are going to win there is to go after the Liberals. Harper doesn't play into the equation. Then in the burbs it's pretty much Liberals vs CPC in every riding. So Mulclair will be doing Harper a favour by going after JT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 You don't get the idea of the political spectrum do you? The NDP aren't swaying likely Harper voters. They've got to attack the Liberals for support. For example seats in Downtown Toronto the only way the NDP are going to win there is to go after the Liberals. Harper doesn't play into the equation. Then in the burbs it's pretty much Liberals vs CPC in every riding. So Mulclair will be doing Harper a favour by going after JT. As I already pointed out, Harper's base is his base, nuf said. But if you look at a lot of the polling research there are an unusually high number of soft voters, even among pervious CPC voters who just don't like Harper and are considering voting for Mulcair. And it also seems the tactics that worked against Dion and Ignatieff just aren't working so well this time around. Possibly because they are just such blatant rehashes of the same old same old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 As I already pointed out, Harper's base is his base, nuf said. But if you look at a lot of the polling research there are an unusually high number of soft voters, even among pervious CPC voters who just don't like Harper and are considering voting for Mulcair. And it also seems the tactics that worked against Dion and Ignatieff just aren't working so well this time around. Possibly because they are just such blatant rehashes of the same old same old. You're going to have to cite a study or something that Previous Harper voters are going to vote for Mulclair. I'm just not going to let that one stand. Also isn't JT currently doing worse in the polls than Dion and Iggy were this close to an election. You're just spouting platitudes hoping things happen without any evidence to support your claims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Mulcair's masterful performance in Question Period probably explains Conservative maneuvers on debate formats - Harper wants no part of Mulcair one on one before a national television audience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Mulcair's masterful performance in Question Period probably explains Conservative maneuvers on debate formats - Harper wants no part of Mulcair one on one before a national television audience. We have heard this fairy tale about harper getting destroyed in debates the last go round. Apparently harper was no match for an ivy league professor and one of the most popular ndp leaders out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 You're going to have to cite a study or something that Previous Harper voters are going to vote for Mulclair. I'm just not going to let that one stand. Here's a Forum poll from last month that states that 10% of 2011 CPC voters plan to vote NDP this time: http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/Federal%20Horserace%20News%20Release%20(2015%2006%2016)%20Forum%20Research.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 We have heard this fairy tale about harper getting destroyed in debates the last go round. Apparently harper was no match for an ivy league professor and one of the most popular ndp leaders out there... There was nothing exceptionally impressive about Harper's performance in the 2011 debate; Ignatieff crashed and burned on his own. As for Layton's performance, the 2011 election was a real breakthrough: he took the NDP from fourth place to Official Opposition. Mulcair has always been a stronger debater than Layton imo and now Harper has a seriously threatening main competitor; this is quite different from the last two elections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Here's a Forum poll from last month that states that 10% of 2011 CPC voters plan to vote NDP this time: http://poll.forumresearch.com/data/Federal%20Horserace%20News%20Release%20(2015%2006%2016)%20Forum%20Research.pdf From your link. Among those who voted Liberal in 2011, as many as one quarter will vote NDP this time around (25%) What does that say about JT? I'm assuming everyone's jumped ship on him now right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 This one is making the rounds on social media today, thought I'd share with the MLW members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 We have heard this fairy tale about harper getting destroyed in debates the last go round. Apparently harper was no match for an ivy league professor and one of the most popular ndp leaders out there... How to explain, then, Harper running scared? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 How to explain, then, Harper running scared? Has the debate been cancelled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 From your link. What does that say about JT? I'm assuming everyone's jumped ship on him now right? JT is ridiculous. You'll get no argument from me there. The most surprising thing to me is that he maintained his popularity as long as he did. I preferred Dion, frankly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 There is no doubt that Mulcair has done a terrific job in attacking Harper in Parliament - but lets not lose track of what Question Period really is - it's a forum where the opposition gets to take free shots at the government. When we get to the debates, Mulcair will have to defend his own platform against the LIberals - who are fighting for their lives - and also the Bloc who are fighting for their lives as well. Both would be well-advised to train their guns on Mulcair as much as they do Harper or they risk further irrelevance. And of course, Harper will be throwing gasoline on the squabbles that will ensue - the cat amongst the canaries, so to speak. And then we also have the specter of the "Consordium" holding a debate without Harper - we can only hope that mean old Tom doesn't make Justin cry. Darn, it's going to be so interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 There is no doubt that Mulcair has done a terrific job in attacking Harper in Parliament - but lets not lose track of what Question Period really is - it's a forum where the opposition gets to take free shots at the government. When we get to the debates, Mulcair will have to defend his own platform against the LIberals - who are fighting for their lives - and also the Bloc who are fighting for their lives as well. Both would be well-advised to train their guns on Mulcair as much as they do Harper or they risk further irrelevance. And of course, Harper will be throwing gasoline on the squabbles that will ensue - the cat amongst the canaries, so to speak. And then we also have the specter of the "Consordium" holding a debate without Harper - we can only hope that mean old Tom doesn't make Justin cry. Darn, it's going to be so interesting. Makes you wonder just why Harper is hiding from the consortium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Star Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 It only occurred to me a day or two ago that it could be a clever Machiavellian strategy, for the reasons KIS gives: the opposition parties all get to attack each other (probably mostly focused on the NDP) while Harper sits back and watches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 According to the latest Abacus poll fully 77% of respondents "would prefer to see a change in gov't ". Good grief, that means a sizable chunk of the Conservative base wants Harper gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 Makes you wonder just why Harper is hiding from the consortium. Your Liberals have been taking a beating for some time. Any suggestions as to how Trudeau can turn things around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted July 13, 2015 Report Share Posted July 13, 2015 I want to see an NDP attack ad involving Del Mastro scuffling alongside the police van in leg irons and cuffs and a voice over says: "this was Harper's parliamentary secretary and ethics spokesman. Had enough?" My request is granted, A new on-line only attack ad features Del Mastro's perp walk in chains while a female voice lists a half dozen or so criminal charges laid against Conservative caucus members. Hard to say which is more hard hitting, Harper's ISIS beheading ad or this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 My request is granted, A new on-line only attack ad features Del Mastro's perp walk in chains while a female voice lists a half dozen or so criminal charges laid against Conservative caucus members. Hard to say which is more hard hitting, Harper's ISIS beheading ad or this one. Who set that up,do you have a link for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver King Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Who set that up,do you have a link for it? I googled "Del Mastro attack ad". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 I googled "Del Mastro attack ad". Thank you. I have seen it just now. I reckon that should trump the beheading video, as it's much more closely related to truth, and not just whacko sensationalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 It only occurred to me a day or two ago that it could be a clever Machiavellian strategy, for the reasons KIS gives: the opposition parties all get to attack each other (probably mostly focused on the NDP) while Harper sits back and watches. OTOH it could be that clever Machiavellian strategies rank high amongst the many reasons why Canadians appear to be itching for a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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