betsy Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 It makes you wonder why 2 months before the budget's out, the Liberal Party's so adamant to reject the budget they haven't seen. It makes you wonder why weeks before the Oda, the In-and-Out, the Court ruling, the two-times contempt on Parliament ruling.....the LIberal Party has already made up its mind to trigger an election. The recent controversies only gave the convenient excuse to make this determination easier to trigger. It makes you wonder why Ignatieff is shooting his foot by such a reckless, desperate announcement such as the funding of an arena....at a time of economic distress. It makes you wonder why with such a consistently dismal poll projection....the Liberal Party is still quite determined to have this election. I suspect that behind closed doors, Ignatieff's been told he has to go. As the policy of the Liberal Party seems to be that a leader has to go through at least one election before he can be booted out....this spring must be it for Ignatieff. Come what may, win or lose.....there has to be an election. Soon. The Liberals know they need a new leader. Quote
Molly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) Good grief. Let's see: The major contents of the budget aren't exactly a secret. They are the opposition. It's their job to be a gopvernment in waiting, impatiently. The recent controversies listed are only the very latest in a long, unbroken string. And, it's about bloody time. The PC dirty tricks and disrespect have become more than a habit. Challenging them is wa-ay overdue. No election has yet been triggered, and the Conservatives can readily prevent it if they wish. But they don't wish. They've already been campaigning on the public dime for months and months. Your suspicions (and your pronouncements) are inspired by partisanship, not acumen. Edited March 15, 2011 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
GWiz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 If one were to actually compare PARTIES instead of leaders, which is how it should be, the Liberals are winners hands down... The Liberal "bench strength" compared to the "screw-up" bench of the CONS is staggering and the RIGHT LEANING "media" knows it which is why the entire "media" focus is on the leaders where the Liberals are the weakest... One stupid remark by Ignatieff, which wasn't nearly as "bad" as the "media" made it out to be if one actually reads it, trumps a dozen CON scandals, how sad is that in a "parliamentary democracy" like Canada's? There's a lot of "I can't vote Liberal now because of Ignatieff and what he says" is nothing but a bunch of hooey... Anyone "voting" on the basis of a single issue one doesn't like are simply, typical, uninformed, and basically stupid... Canadians will get the Government they deserve regardless of the outcome of the next election... If you LIKE huge deficit spending with little to nothing to show for it vote "conservative"... If you want to vote as a "protest" and throw away your vote vote NDP... If you want a better way forward for the future of Canada hold your nose like I do and vote Liberal... "The best of bad options is still a bad option and still the best option." - GWiz Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Keepitsimple Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 If one were to actually compare PARTIES instead of leaders, which is how it should be, the Liberals are winners hands down... The Liberal "bench strength" compared to the "screw-up" bench of the CONS is staggering and the RIGHT LEANING "media" knows it which is why the entire "media" focus is on the leaders where the Liberals are the weakest... One stupid remark by Ignatieff, which wasn't nearly as "bad" as the "media" made it out to be if one actually reads it, trumps a dozen CON scandals, how sad is that in a "parliamentary democracy" like Canada's? There's a lot of "I can't vote Liberal now because of Ignatieff and what he says" is nothing but a bunch of hooey... Anyone "voting" on the basis of a single issue one doesn't like are simply, typical, uninformed, and basically stupid... Canadians will get the Government they deserve regardless of the outcome of the next election... If you LIKE huge deficit spending with little to nothing to show for it vote "conservative"... If you want to vote as a "protest" and throw away your vote vote NDP... If you want a better way forward for the future of Canada hold your nose like I do and vote Liberal... "The best of bad options is still a bad option and still the best option." - GWiz I take it you are teetering on the fence...but leaning towards voting Liberal? Quote Back to Basics
GWiz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 I take it you are teetering on the fence...but leaning towards voting Liberal? Never been on a fence... Only way for me to "go over to the other side" would be through an open gate... But everytime I find a gate it's not only locked but a guy with a big gun on the other side tells me to "keep out"... Walking along a fence that's in the MIDDLE of the field keeps me fit and trim though... "Success occurs when opportunity meets preperation." Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
PIK Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 The rae camp is setting him up for a fall, look at rae's history of working behind the scenes on bring down goverments. And if iggy loses the next one and is replaced ,I imagine he will do some talking.Yesterday david mcguinty was on the radio ,telling everyone how the cons waste money and are trying to buy votes, then it comes out iggy will pay for a new rink in quebec. And Gwiz thinks that these people are more compentant then the cons, give me a break. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Topaz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 IF the Libs do call for an election, it has nothing to do with the budget but, with comtempt of Parliament and not following the rules of Parliament. That's why the three oppositon parties are in agreement about calling for an election. Leaders of parties are always replaced sometime down the road. Quote
GWiz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 The rae camp is setting him up for a fall, look at rae's history of working behind the scenes on bring down goverments. And if iggy loses the next one and is replaced ,I imagine he will do some talking.Yesterday david mcguinty was on the radio ,telling everyone how the cons waste money and are trying to buy votes, then it comes out iggy will pay for a new rink in quebec. And Gwiz thinks that these people are more compentant then the cons, give me a break. I don't give anyone a break, especially not a CON, I classify Rae in the same category as Dion and Ignatieff, has beens and never weres... Baggage handlers at best... Naaa, I'm talking the "young guns" (some not that young but still NEW blood) in the Liberal party like - Trudeau, LeBlanc, Garneau, McGuinty, Dryden, Coady, Cromby, Duncan, Kennedy, Bennett, and that list goes on and on deep within the Liberal party... "Any fact facing us is not as important as our attitude toward it, for that determines our success or failure." - Norman Vincent Peale Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Keepitsimple Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 I think it's Ignatieff who is pushing for an election. After all, the man will be 64 in May. He's probably told the backroom boys, "This is NOT what you guys promised me". He naively came to Canada believing he would be the saviour for the Liberals - and Canadians - and that he would be annointed PM as part of the Natural Governing Party. He was duped....and I'll bet he wishes he could just end his personal misery. So he's all for it....bring on the election....he's fed up with being humiliated. Quote Back to Basics
Moonbox Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Never been on a fence Yeah I think you've made it pretty clear you've voted one way your entire life. Walking along a fence that's in the MIDDLE of the field keeps me fit and trim though... You're about as far from the fence as anyone on this forum and you haven't moved in ages. Head in the sand is a better description than 'walking along the fence'. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
William Ashley Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 (edited) Get it straight the reason for the election is the way the Conservatives run government AND, the Budget. They could win. The NDP could win, the block could have the most seats in the house. Who knows. Anything is possible. Heck Japan is at risk of becoming a nuclear wasteland (again) Iran and Saudi Arabia could go to war, the middle east is in a civil war with itself. China is outpacing the US military in the pacific. There is more but those are the big ones. Oh and "another" recession could "happen" due to the Japan situation and the Middle East Situation - oddly without Japan's demand for oil oil prices may be kept in check... (curious no) Edited March 15, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Molly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 I think it's Ignatieff who is pushing for an election. After all, the man will be 64 in May. He's probably told the backroom boys, "This is NOT what you guys promised me". He naively came to Canada believing he would be the saviour for the Liberals - and Canadians - and that he would be annointed PM as part of the Natural Governing Party. He was duped....and I'll bet he wishes he could just end his personal misery. So he's all for it....bring on the election....he's fed up with being humiliated. |Are you seriously suggesting that he had any delusions of riding in on a great white stallion, to be instantly adored and annointed? The man is a journalist and an historian!! He's only made a lifelong study of how stuff like that comes off. In fact, that demonstrated grasp is one of the more notable qualifications on his extrordinarily impressive curriculum vitae... and let us never be forgetting that most of the time, he really, really is 'the smartest guy in the room'. Could be he's just a tiny bit less naive about it than that, and was perfectly aware that there was no puppy even if he was offered one. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
GWiz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 I think it's Ignatieff who is pushing for an election. After all, the man will be 64 in May. He's probably told the backroom boys, "This is NOT what you guys promised me". He naively came to Canada believing he would be the saviour for the Liberals - and Canadians - and that he would be annointed PM as part of the Natural Governing Party. He was duped....and I'll bet he wishes he could just end his personal misery. So he's all for it....bring on the election....he's fed up with being humiliated. Actually there's almost a good point there... Except of course Ignatieff didn't "come back" to be the leader of the Liberal Party... He was elected by a bunch of stupid Liberals to replace Dion because he spoke a lot better english than Dion and little more reason than that... Ignatieff is just about the worst "polititian" I've ever seen, so "politics" is not what I see as having much to do with Ignatieff... Where-as thinking he could help Canada and Canadians become better would be behind Ignatieff's motivation... Sadly neither being all-political nor non-political works very well... Which is why Ignatieff is a political if not personal failure as leader of the Liberals... He never understood what it takes to be a leader... It doesn't appear to be in him... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Molly Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Actually there's almost a good point there... Except of course Ignatieff didn't "come back" to be the leader of the Liberal Party... He was elected by a bunch of stupid Liberals to replace Dion because he spoke a lot better english than Dion and little more reason than that... Ignatieff is just about the worst "polititian" I've ever seen, so "politics" is not what I see as having much to do with Ignatieff... Where-as thinking he could help Canada and Canadians become better would be behind Ignatieff's motivation... Sadly neither being all-political nor non-political works very well... Which is why Ignatieff is a political if not personal failure as leader of the Liberals... He never understood what it takes to be a leader... It doesn't appear to be in him... Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 ...Sadly neither being all-political nor non-political works very well... Which is why Ignatieff is a political if not personal failure as leader of the Liberals... He never understood what it takes to be a leader... It doesn't appear to be in him... It's not Ignatieff's shortcoming, but the Liberal Party itself. Things got so bad they were inviting Americans to speak at their nominating convention. The party still has too much dry rot left over from Chretien/Martin, fractured policies, dwindling base, and no more George Bush to blame. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
PIK Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 IF the Libs do call for an election, it has nothing to do with the budget but, with comtempt of Parliament and not following the rules of Parliament. That's why the three oppositon parties are in agreement about calling for an election. Leaders of parties are always replaced sometime down the road. 2 words, howard wilson, so the libs can take thier fake rage over ethics and shove it, they of all parties have no right to bitch about ethics. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Shakeyhands Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 2 words, howard wilson, so the libs can take thier fake rage over ethics and shove it, they of all parties have no right to bitch about ethics. Details? I know he was an ethics counsellor but thats it. Thx. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Saipan Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Details? Chretien lying about Sponsorgate OR being incompetent. Quote
Posc Student Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 The Liberals still have a good oppertunity to do well in this election. Harper's record is far from perfect and there is a lot to critisize him on. The attack ads have been what has really runied Ignatieff, though he doesn't have much political smarts, when he first became leader the party did well in the polls and when Harper has screwed up they caught up. The Liberals did well during this summer's tour and with positive press and solid policy ideas the party may surprise in the election. While their polling numbers may not look to great right now there are still a lot of Canadians who would be willing to vote for the Liberals. Forming a government is unlikely but pulling strong numbers in eastern Canada is a likely possibility and who knows the election of Christy Clark in BC may also help them. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Chretien lying about Sponsorgate OR being incompetent. another quality post Saipan. Good work. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
GWiz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 dwindling base Yep, dwindling base because, just like Obama, thay aren't seeing people stand up and be counted and instead try to compromise with the uncompromisable... Both Obama and Ignatieff are bad at reading the "tea leaves", which is to compromise rather than fight for what you believe in... That's my motto, that's what I do... Try it, you'll see how quickly people join you... But NO, they watch polls which are only as good as the question asked, and in the many polls I've taken, not one asked the right questions... In the US it's (wrongly) appeasing a party of NO and caving in on the public option, which is costing the US over a trillion dollars now thanks to Republicants and Dem appeasers, and on the tax cuts to the people earning over $250,000.00 for the same reason... That's $1.8 Trillion dollars WASTED within the last year by Republicans on behalf of BIG BUSINESS... In Canada it's as simple as letting Harper get the last (2009) budget passed without the Liberals forcing an election (I think the Liberals should NEVER "make a CON Government work"), if it had been me I'd have voted the Harper Regime out as soon as I heard the word "deficit"... BUT, I have the smarts not to need to run one, not sure if the current bunch of Liberals could have... Then there's the "media", that's a whole story in itself, in both our countries... If they let this budget pass even I won't be voting Liberal... I'll be revolting in the streets... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 ...In the US it's (wrongly) appeasing a party of NO and caving in on the public option, which is costing the US over a trillion dollars now thanks to Republicants and Dem appeasers, and on the tax cuts to the people earning over $250,000.00 for the same reason... See...your still doing it...trying to win the day on ideology and class warfare. That won't work anymore, not even in Canada. You can't tax you way out of the problem. In Canada it's as simple as letting Harper get the last (2009) budget passed without the Liberals forcing an election (I think the Liberals should NEVER "make a CON Government work"), if it had been me I'd have voted the Harper Regime out as soon as I heard the word "deficit"... BUT, I have the smarts not to need to run one, not sure if the current bunch of Liberals could have... The Lieberals effed up and are still paying for it. One "oh shit" kills a thousand "atta boys". The Grits still think they are the "natural ruling party of Canada", even as the sands shift under their feet. Their own policies have come back to bite them in the ass (Kyoto, Afghanistan, F-35, etc.), and now they are scrambling to find a leadership replacement for the previous leadership replacement. Did they really think that the Prodigal Son from America was going to save the day? Then there's the "media", that's a whole story in itself, in both our countries... Don't shoot the messenger. If they let this budget pass even I won't be voting Liberal... I'll be revolting in the streets... Nobody will notice....remember...Peace, Order, Good Government, and American TV. PM Harper has provided all of the above! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GWiz Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Don't you have enough of your own problems down in our lower 48? See...your still doing it...trying to win the day on ideology and class warfare. That won't work anymore, not even in Canada. You can't tax you way out of the problem. Why not? The Lieberals effed up and are still paying for it. One "oh shit" kills a thousand "atta boys". The Grits still think they are the "natural ruling party of Canada", even as the sands shift under their feet. Their own policies have come back to bite them in the ass (Kyoto, Afghanistan, F-35, etc.), and now they are scrambling to find a leadership replacement for the previous leadership replacement. Did they really think that the Prodigal Son from America was going to save the day? Nope... But it's your fairy tale so please continue... Let me know when you come back to reality... BTW, why do you care, your Canadian hand-out in danger of drying up if Harper doesn't get a majority? Or worse, the Liberals win the next election? Don't shoot the messenger. The "media" isn't the messenger, they're the PROPAGANDA arm and deserve to be shot (figuratively speeking of course)... Nobody will notice....remember...Peace, Order, Good Government, and American TV. PM Harper has provided all of the above! Or NONE of the above... Depending on one's point of view, and what media one watches and listens to... "If things go wrong, don't go with them." - Roger Babson Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 15, 2011 Report Posted March 15, 2011 Don't you have enough of your own problems down in our lower 48? Of course, but it's fun to turn the tables on you guys. Why not? Because it is a failed strategy. Canadians will vote for the devil they know over the devil who can't even find his pitchfork. Nope... But it's your fairy tale so please continue... Let me know when you come back to reality... OK....I've got nothing against fairies. BTW, why do you care, your Canadian hand-out in danger of drying up if Harper doesn't get a majority? Or worse, the Liberals win the next election? Again, I am simply returning the favor to all the American politics experts from Canada who think they are Obama's cousin. The "media" isn't the messenger, they're the PROPAGANDA arm and deserve to be shot (figuratively speeking of course)... Just buy an old TV with a varactor tuner and leave it on your favorite ideology channel...no remote control for flipping. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
betsy Posted March 16, 2011 Author Report Posted March 16, 2011 (edited) The man is a journalist and an historian!! He's only made a lifelong study of how stuff like that comes off. In fact, that demonstrated grasp is one of the more notable qualifications on his extrordinarily impressive curriculum vitae... and let us never be forgetting that most of the time, he really, really is 'the smartest guy in the room'. And yet the Liberal strategist frankly admitted he doesn't know what's up with Ignatieff announcing the funding for the arena. All the panelists, including the hostess of Power and Politics were all unanimous that the optics are not good - it looks like Ignatieff is buying votes! It's been pointed out how absurd that Ignatieff would be circling on that issue of the arena after the Conservatives had tried their best to distance themselves from it. Extraordinary curriculum vitae he may have - but he's difinetly bombing as a leader of a political party! If this is how he leads his party, how can you expect him to lead a nation. Perhaps he ought to go back to being a journalist and a historian. Edited March 16, 2011 by betsy Quote
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