William Ashley Posted March 22, 2011 Author Report Posted March 22, 2011 (edited) Like occupation of Tibet. China legally occupied Tibet because the Dalai Lama gave consent to the deployment of Chinese troops to create a protectorate- IT IS a possible arguement that the Dalai Lama was "extorted and coerced" under threat of violence to invalidate the treaty however. (Tibet was very cruel in terms of conditions and a religious dictatorship - so the chinese actually provided a higher standard of human rights - as hard as that may be to believe - they also modernized the country and took it out of the middle ages - such as punishing magicians and such) Says Hitler? Israel didn't exist when hitler was around - it was created after WWII. Arabs did. David's Kingdon was much bigger than Israel today, and Betlehem was Holy city many centuries before Islam even existed. HOW did it become "Moslem holy place" Davids Kingdom was destroyed, the kingdom was also founded from taking lands from the natives of Palastine - one mans conquering is legitimate but anothers is not? (ultimately land is everyones - but the selfish maintain claim, but to say one means of claim is less legitimate than another is not an equal basis, and I refute that jews have more rights as human than any other person.) Bear in mind to answer you question - Jesus is a Moslem prophet. (not the messiah) (jews also don't think he was a messiah) Actually Bethlehem is not a Jewish holy place at all. It is a Christian and Moslem one. (Islam was a form of Judaism until Gabriell told Mohammad that some Jews would try to destroy him and he must attack them) It was actually Mohammads uncle - a person who traded with the Jews that was an early role model for Mohammad - and the striking of the Idols was actually an aspect of his Judaic / Jewish teachings. (To Mohammad Allah was Jehova of the Jews) The Muslims were more parralel to Christianity in terms of continuing the holy path... Both Christianity and Islam are contemporary religions to one another. (Jews (jesus just some guy - mesiah to come in the end) Moslems (jesus a prophet mohammad came back to make some additions the "last prophet") Christians (Jesus mesiah, he'll be back at the end, but we're going to get it wrong the first time we think its the man) The temple mount IS holy to the jews though. Nomadic Arabs were gradually seeping into Jewish lands, BS. The Jews were babylonian nomads. The Jews were conquered by Nebacunezar SLAVES. They murdered him and went back to Israel only to be enslaved, and conquered a few more times. Their claim to Israel is weaker than Egypts or Iraqs. not unlike Germans into "sudetenland", "East Prussia" (even tried that with Balkans) and later just declared it "theirs". A reason they had be moved out permanenly, except those who don't make such claims. Same has to be done with "palestinians". Who correctly identified themself as Jordanians, Egyptians (as Yasar Arafat) and Syrians less than 50 years ago. Palastinians were in the area back to when they were Greek. 1) You have evidence Chinese lived here? DNA. 2) How long ago? perhaps 40000-10000 Years ago. (Also the russians) 3) Which part of Europe belongs to Neanderthal? Out of respect where their graves are. There is also imo limited interbreeding with modern man. So Native Europeans (yes some europeans are native to Europe mostly in west europe to perhaps 30000 YBP) No, only Serbia. Or as general Lewis Mckenzie put it "we took the wrong side". Serbia WAS Yugoslavia. If that was the case they would use camouflage like other armies. They arn't. Unless you call natural barriers camaflouge it is impossible to know if the guy wearing civilians clothes is armed or not when they are hiding behind a building or are in one looking out a windows. Their own means of war is what is killing civilians. Also hiding in buildings where there are children makes it difficult not to kill the children in the buildings shletering them. That is in part why snipers are on rooftops. Most of their forces are wearing irregular clothing at best and some are clearly not wearing any form of fatigues. Then people complain about civlian deaths. It is BS. Don't hide in civilians buildings if you don't want them to be targeted. The US cleared (blew up) an entire section of Afghanistan of houses because of this. Israel bulldozed them. 1. Don't wear civilian clothes. 2. Don't hide in civilians buildings. 3. AND if you are actually a civlians FLEE run away or hide as far away from soilders as possible. DO NOT GO TO THE FRONTLINE What you have is human sheilds and "the Iranian " swarm attacks where people just overwhelm others by sheer numbers with only a few actually having guns. It is the zerg rush of warfare. Then you are complaining that civilians are killed because they are part of a human wave attack? That is BS. NON UNIFORMED SWARMING CIVLIANS ARE NOT CIVILIANS THEY ARE BEING MILITANT AND ARE LEGITIMATE TARGETS. CIVILIANS WILL PUT OUT A WHITE FLAG AND SURRENDER. THOSE ARE THE RULES OF WAR, SURRENDER OR FLEE OR BE KILLED. Edited March 22, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
Saipan Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 China legally occupied Tibet because the Dalai Lama gave consent to the deployment of Chinese troops to create a protectorate What a PILE of BS. Is that why he had to escape at night to India? the chinese actually provided a higher standard of human rights Yes, Tibet badly needed mass executions of civilians and monks by soldiers and without any courts. http://www.friendsoftibet.org/main/execution.html Rest of your post is similar BS and fabrications. Quote
bjre Posted March 22, 2011 Report Posted March 22, 2011 What a PILE of BS. Is that why he had to escape at night to India? His position was assigned by Chinese government when KMD rule China. He escape to India because CIA want him do that. Yes, Tibet badly needed mass executions of civilians and monks by soldiers and without any courts. http://www.friendsoftibet.org/main/execution.html Rest of your post is similar BS and fabrications. Just some images can prove nothing. Yes, China has death penalty. I believe it is sometimes better than without it like to a murder in Newfoundland that killed 20 people and still live well enough. Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Saipan Posted March 23, 2011 Report Posted March 23, 2011 He escape to India because CIA want him do that. Says who? Maybe the CIA told me too to escape Communist regime. And all the other hundreds of thousands of escapees Just some images can prove nothing. Maybe they were Photoshopped, right? Yes, China has death penalty. We are talking mass executions of civilians by military in occupied Tibet. Quote
bjre Posted March 23, 2011 Report Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) Says who? Maybe the CIA told me too to escape Communist regime. And all the other hundreds of thousands of escapees Try to find the book "cia's secret war in tibet" Maybe they were Photoshopped, right? It is possible. We are talking mass executions of civilians by military in occupied Tibet. In Tibet? British did that mass killing when the time they invade there. Chinese is there free slaves to free people. (BTW, DaLai own many slaves when he ruled there. Just like George Washington had many slaves.) You are talking about European military mess killing of 100 million aboriginal people in Americas? You are talking about Western nations military mess killing of Iraq people with their modern killing machines? And lock Bradley Manning who shows the world how western nations killed Iraq people. Such kind of "free speech". Western mainstream media and western politicians can do nothing without tell lies and give cheating, misleading information. Edited March 23, 2011 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
Saipan Posted March 23, 2011 Report Posted March 23, 2011 Try to find the book "cia's secret war in tibet" I should read some obscure book to prove YOUR claim? In Tibet? British did that mass killing when the time they invade there. Makes you wonder why are Tibetans escaping here, not to China. Chinese is there free slaves to free people. And the "slaves" are fleeing from their "liberators" Lot of them in Canada also, ask them. You are talking about European military mess killing of 100 million aboriginal people in Americas? No, that is your fabrication. Last real killing was Ojibway extermination of Lakotas from Red Lake area (Minnesota) just some 180 years ago. I'm taking what happen in our lifetime. Like 50 to 80 million dead under Mao in PEACE time. Western mainstream media and western politicians can do nothing without tell lies and give cheating, misleading information. I'm surprised you don't live in Cuba long ago Quote
William Ashley Posted March 23, 2011 Author Report Posted March 23, 2011 What a PILE of BS. Is that why he had to escape at night to India? Its complex. Its one of those sovreignty problems, once you give away powers getting them back is problematic if you give away the powers to get them back. Yes, Tibet badly needed mass executions of civilians and monks by soldiers and without any courts. Was this during the armed rebellions that China was task to oversee the defence of Tibet? Rest of your post is similar BS and fabrications. No it is all true you just don't like the story Counter any point made with the truth It is you that is full of BS, because you don't want to accept that version of the events - and it is the Truth. You just say no they arn't suppose to do their job. Well sorry you are wrong. WHEN PEOPLE REBEL YOU KILL THEM BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T THEY KILL YOU. Quote I was here.
William Ashley Posted March 23, 2011 Author Report Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) US forces shoot 6 civilians during rescue mission http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2011/03/23/3170974.htm Yes now the Rebels that held the injured weapons officer "are all lying" and the rebel forces are lying about the US rescue mission. Villages and Rebel spokespeople say US forces shot civilians during the rescue mission (they went in shot civilians and left with the flight crew) US Military is saying, no we didn't shoot anyone. Why would the rebels lie about this? - Arn't they "allied with the people attacking Gaddafi? Or is there another story Personally I say the US is lying like it always does about "no we didn't kill people, we didn't shot this reporter" etc.. all BS when there is masive evidence that indicates otherwise. Aggravated Assault causing bodily harm . by people that are suppose to be preventing. If every plane that flies over there is going to cause people to get shot during rescues why the hell are they flying. Isn't shooting civilians a WARCRIME? HELLO THE US JUST DID IT. Then you have stories like this: http://americasfailureiniraq.com/2010/12/04/afghan-war-casualties-soldier-guilty-of-shooting-unarmed-civilians/ This one when a "U.S. Army medic" shot at civilians. HE ONLY GOT 9 MONTHS for shooting unarmed farmers in cold blood! That is just a brief glimpse into the hearless callous tha this America. You may have some disney channel chiseled image in your mind of cute cudly america, but that isn't the US defence establishement, they are stone people that are devoid of humanity. I have neglible doubt that 1. THEY DID SHOOT CIVILIANS DURING THE EXTRACTION and 2. THEY ARE LYING ABOUT IT. YES I TRUST THE LIBYAN REBELS SPOKESPEOPLE MORE THAN THE US DOD AND THAT IS SAYING A LOT (CONSIDERING GADDAFI SAYS THEY ARE AL QEADA) YES BECAUSE AL QEADA WOULD THROW A PARTY FOR A DOWNED US AIRPERSON http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/03/23/us-rescue-plane-strafes-villagers-as-they-go-to-aid-of-downed-american-pilot-115875-23009060/ "One civilian lost a leg" THEY BLEW OFF A CIVILIANS LEG AND HIT 4+ others to get their freaken pilot. Instead of dying to defend civilians they are maiming them to as the US DOD says "weaken Libya's military capacity" - I reiterate that is not the objective of a no fly zone - a no fly zone is to insure that planes do not fly in the area of the no fly zone. The civilians aspect is VERY problematic since neither side appears to normatively be using uniforms. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/us_jet_crashes_in_libya_pilots_safe_gates_says_air_strikes_should_slow_soon/2011/03/22/ABNC0lCB_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage However the US is endangering civilians by operating in Libya. The civilians line is utterly problematic http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20110319/wl_csm/370893 Edited March 23, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bjre Posted March 23, 2011 Report Posted March 23, 2011 (edited) I should read some obscure book to prove YOUR claim? It's you freedom to indulge in your favorite fairy tale books only. I'm taking what happen in our lifetime. Like 50 to 80 million dead under Mao in PEACE time. Fairy tale lies, enjoy it. No, that is your fabrication. Last real killing was Ojibway extermination of Lakotas from Red Lake area (Minnesota) just some 180 years ago. No, Killing still happened in Libya days ago, and in Afghanistan recently. And in Vancouver with taser guns in 2007. And in Ontario with real guns in 1995. Makes you wonder why are Tibetans escaping here, not to China. And the "slaves" are fleeing from their "liberators" Lot of them in Canada also, ask them. I'm surprised you don't live in Cuba long ago More than 3 million Tibetans lives in their home in China, how many of them "escape" to here? Now 2.8 million Canadian escape from Canada to live in another place include more than 300 thousand live in China now. That's one of every 12 Canadian choose escape from Canada. Edited March 23, 2011 by bjre Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
bloodyminded Posted March 23, 2011 Report Posted March 23, 2011 It's you freedom to indulge in your favorite fairy tale books only. Fairy tale lies, enjoy it. No, Killing still happened in Libya days ago, and in Afghanistan recently. And in Vancouver with taser guns in 2007. And in Ontario with real guns in 1995. More than 3 million Tibetans lives in their home in China, how many of them "escape" to here? Now 2.8 million Canadian escape from Canada to live in another place include more than 300 thousand live in China now. That's one of every 12 Canadian choose escape from Canada. First of all, emigrants aren't normally "escaping" from Canada. Second, I resent your forcing me to agree with Saipan. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Saipan Posted March 23, 2011 Report Posted March 23, 2011 Its complex. Its one of those sovreignty problems, once you give away powers getting them back is problematic if you give away the powers to get them back. Europe didn't give it to Hitler just like Tibet didn't give it to China. They took it. So it's NOT "complex", it's clear. Was this during the armed rebellions that China was task to oversee the defence of Tibet? China was tasked to defend Tibet against China??? WHEN PEOPLE REBEL YOU KILL THEM BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T THEY KILL YOU. That's what dictators do. They tend to keep public unarmed. They fear the population. Quote
Saipan Posted March 23, 2011 Report Posted March 23, 2011 More than 3 million Tibetans lives in their home in China, how many of them "escape" to here? Now 2.8 million Canadian escape from Canada to live in another place include more than 300 thousand live in China now. That's one of every 12 Canadian choose escape from Canada. "It's you freedom to indulge in your favorite fairy tale" Quote
bjre Posted March 23, 2011 Report Posted March 23, 2011 “There is considerable opportunity to strengthen, through policy and outreach activities, the attachment of the estimated 2.8 million Canadians abroad to their Canadian ‘home.’ These activities could inspire a greater contribution to Canada’s presence abroad,” -- http://www.asiapacific.ca/media/press-releases/28323 Quote "The more laws, the less freedom" -- bjre "There are so many laws that nearly everybody breaks some, even when you just stay at home do nothing, the only question left is how thugs can use laws to attack you" -- bjre "If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson
William Ashley Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) It really gets me how the news media is false reporting for instance this recent article http://www.canada.com/technology/Canada+send+more+military+assets+Libya/4496583/story.html from Post Media news states: "It was also reported on Thursday that a French fighter jet shot down a Libyan warplane over Misrata in the first violation of the coalition no-fly zone over the country." But other sources state, that the plane was actually on the ground when it was blown up. Likewise - western media such as CNN are saying there have been no civilians killed. Yet other reports cite the funderal of 30+ civilians bombedin Tripoli bombings. There is a definate fog of war ongoing - however when you bomb inside cities I am doubtful that no civilains are being killed. Also the USDOD reported that Libya's ability to launch any air based missions has been removed. Now they are targetting anything that can aid Gadaffi. This is a far cry from creating pockets it is called an air war. It really gets me that such deception and advantage taking is being used under a false flag. They are targetting Gadaffi's forces yet they are essentially fighting an air war for the rebels. There is a stark difference between protecting civilians and fighthing an air war. The resolution simply isn't being taken as - if Gadaffi cannot defend himself the goal of a truce will not be compelling for the other side, since they stated they the rebels arn't willing to accept one. It is a total false premise. I wouldn't be whining quite this way if the US was just open and saying that meeting the UN resolution is not the goal of the operation - and that they are not aiming for a true and cesation of hostilities as to provide for mediation between the two parties. It really has me question why counties allow the US to continue its existence as such as cesspool of deceit and misery on the the rest of the world. Edited March 24, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2011 Report Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) .....It really has me question why counties allow the US to continue its existence as such as cesspool of deceit and misery on the the rest of the world. For the same reason that Canada is the USA's #1 trading partner. CF-188's and their laser guided bombs didn't come from Santa Claus. Edited March 24, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
William Ashley Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) For the same reason that Canada is the USA's #1 trading partner. CF-188's and their laser guided bombs didn't come from Santa Claus. That there are some really stupid Canadians trading with the US? That isn't much of a reason, Consevatives can't be blamed for everything. Welcome to reality I know. Atleast I spoke against it before my death. Anne Frank would be proud. -------------------- The US already stated they want a withdrawl until they reclaim oil facilities - they arn't trying to implement a truce or ceasefire until they have control of the assets they want for "their agenda". It is an insincere operation. Thus dishonourable. Edited March 24, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
RNG Posted March 24, 2011 Report Posted March 24, 2011 The US already stated they want a withdrawl until they reclaim oil facilities - they arn't trying to implement a truce or ceasefire until they have control of the assets they want for "their agenda". It is an insincere operation. Thus dishonourable. Libya supplies less than 1% of the world's oil. They aren't that important. Your post is real tinfoil hat territory. Quote The government can't give anything to anyone without having first taken it from someone else.
William Ashley Posted March 24, 2011 Author Report Posted March 24, 2011 (edited) Libya supplies less than 1% of the world's oil. They aren't that important. Your post is real tinfoil hat territory. Libya has the second largest oil supply in the Middle East, and the cleanest for the market, primo. Don't get your tin foil hat people without brains don't need them. Edited March 24, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
wyly Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Libya has the second largest oil supply in the Middle East, and the cleanest for the market, primo. Don't get your tin foil hat people without brains don't need them. libya is 6th in the ME, 1 Saudi Arabia 262.3 2 Iran 136.3 3 Iraq 115 4 Kuwait 101 5 United Arab Emirates 97.8 6 Libya 41.5 17th largest producer in the world, supplying about 2% of the world's oil...but 9th largest in proven reserves or 3.24%...a simple google search would've given you the correct answer... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
William Ashley Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) libya is 6th in the ME, Right right Libya is in Africa... Right 2nd Largest IN AFRICA! Libya isn't in the ME doufus! Edited March 25, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
wyly Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Right right Libya is in Africa... Right 2nd Largest IN AFRICA! Libya isn't in the ME doufus! who posted this William Ashley-Libya has the second largest oil supply in the Middle East, :lol: Defining the Middle EastThe definition of the term Middle East is not set in granite, as the region is not an exactly defined area of the world. It is sometimes referred to as the Near East or Southwest Asia; in India the region is known as Western Asia. What the area is called sometimes depends on one’s position on the globe. Even then, not everyone agrees on which countries should be included within a geographic domain. The different terms applied to the region emphasize that the area being described owes its regional character to other than indigenous factors. As diverse as the countries of Europe, these lands are included in a single term only because they are “near to” or “in the middle of” other regions. Whatever unity does exist within the region today is largely functional: it is a unity in relation to the outside world rather than an inherent unity arising from similar geographical and social conditions or from a recent common history. The issue is confused not only due to the region’s location but also due to culture and ethnicity. If the Middle East is defined solely as the Arab states and Israel, Iran would be excluded. If it is thought to include Israel and the predominantly Muslim states in the area, then the North African states of Algeria, Libya, Morocco, and Tunisia, plus Afghanistan, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, the Sudan, and Turkey, would also have to be included. In the academic community, the term Middle East refers to the Arab countries of North Africa; the Arab countries of Asia; Israel; and the non-Arab countries of Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, and Turkey. According to some broader definitions, it may also include the five countries of Central Asia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. Some might also include Azerbaijan. That said, a commonly used definition focuses on those countries that Americans most often associate with the Middle East and that have had a continuing and central role in two issues of importance to US foreign policy: the Arab-Israeli conflict and the security of the Persian Gulf and its oil resources. These nations are Bahrain, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. Given the importance of the war on terrorism to current US foreign policy, it might be appropriate to include Afghanistan and other neighboring Central Asian states in the definition. The average American sees Afghanistan as a country in the Middle East. Carol J. Riphenburg, Ph.D. Professor/Political Science [email protected] Edited March 25, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
William Ashley Posted March 25, 2011 Author Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) who posted this :lol: Only the G8 thinks that real people know it only includes Egypt and the rest of the Traditional Middle East. The Arab Legue is a different sphere. It is just a false Amalgam. Sadly Wlyl your position is a weaker one than mine. The Commonly accepted middle east does not included Libya, and Libya is part of the African Union. The Arabs are not the defining point of the middle east, niether Iran nor Israel are Arab. Sorry you and your Phd friend are WRONG. The concept that person is purporting is a middle east that stretches from central Asia to the Atlantic Ocean, no sorry that is not correct. http://www.ecdl.org/files/map_middle_east.gif http://mideast.unc.edu/images/map-un-econ-1947.gif The UN for region breaks the area you are thinking of into this catagory "The Middle East, North Africa and Central Asia" Libya is in North Africa, not the Middle East, Egypt is the traditional boundry for the West of the Middle East. Likewise Afghanistan is not in the middle east.. it is in Central Asia, as Iran is the Eastern most boundry for the middle east. YOU ARE WRONG WRONG WRONG and so is your PhD bedfellow. I'll invite him into the discussion and see what he has to say. The email has gone out. Edited March 25, 2011 by William Ashley Quote I was here.
GostHacked Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 (edited) Libya supplies less than 1% of the world's oil. They aren't that important. Your post is real tinfoil hat territory. It may not be about the oil, like Iraq was. This time like Afghanistan it is more or less of a take over for strategic reasons. Part of a long term plan. Libya provides a good staging ground for the UN and western powers who want to take more of a foothold in Africa. A perfect storm if you will of countries around Libya going through crisis, and when you have that, you have no one really to come to the aid of Libya. This is all part of a bigger plan yet. Edited March 25, 2011 by GostHacked Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 Libya provides a good staging ground for the UN and western powers who want to take more of a foothold in Africa. And why do the powers 'want a foothold' in africa? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Wilber Posted March 25, 2011 Report Posted March 25, 2011 So what if it is about oil. Oil is a big deal, the biggest deal on the planet. The only reason the planet can sustain a population of nearly 7 billion is oil. Economies would collapse without oil, people will starve because enough food can't be produced or transported. All the things society depends on that rely on the hydro carbon molecule to exist would disappear. Oil is huge. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
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