Teachers brainwashing our children?

[Moonlight Graham]

In a libertarian school system, wouldn't everyone just teach themselves whatever they wanted?

[Moonlight Graham]

But seriously, Mr. Canada if you support some kind of alternative, "non-socialist brainwashing" schooling, i say more power to you. There's nothing illegal about private schools. We are all entitled to brainwash our children into whatever political ideology we wish.

yay freedom Canada!

Edited March 2, 2011 by Moonlight Graham

[scribblet]

Must depend on the school board because 2 of mine were in the gifted program. And they still test for inclusion if the parent so wishes every year.

This was years ago and Grade school, it was the particular principal who did away with that program, not sure if was done across all schools, or what they do now.

I know around the same time discussions were taking place on streaming students into the vocational schools, and testing a program for a special grade 9 group who would be given a chance at a year in a regular high school rather than automatically streamed into the vocational school. All in the name of equalizing students. (I agreed with the gr. 9 option).

[Black Dog]

It would be great if they stuck to those but they don't. They push their socialist agenda at any opportunity. Telling children that homosexuals are born that way, that trans gender people are normal...telling children that we as Canadians should change to need of immigrants and that immigrants shouldn't have to change to the ways of Canadians...That's a small sampling that I just made up.

fify

[Mr.Canada]

For those that have children, I urge you to take an active role in your childs education. Find out what the current school curriculum is and how that is being applied to the lessons. A great many teachers out there really care about a childs education but there are many teachers out there who are only wishing to push a socialist agenda onto your child.

Try to make the time to join your local PTA and become active in your areas school board council.

[bloodyminded]

For those that have children, I urge you to take an active role in your childs education. Find out what the current school curriculum is and how that is being applied to the lessons. A great many teachers out there really care about a childs education but there are many teachers out there who are only wishing to push a socialist agenda onto your child.

Try to make the time to join your local PTA and become active in your areas school board council.

My children are adults now, but I was active in their schools all through their childhood. There was zero "socialist indoctrination." None.

There was, as is predictable, a small amount of uber-nationalist indoctrination, "support the troops" and Canada is Saintly garbage and nonsense...the stuff with which we're all subjected to early. But I took it for granted that my baleful influence would counter this brainwashing. And I was right.

Edited March 5, 2011 by bloodyminded

[CANADIEN]

My children are adults now, but I was active in their schools all through their childhood. There was zero "socialist indoctrination." None.

Keep in mind that any amount of "it is not right to bully little Johnny because he has two mommies" or mentioning the FACTS about sexual orientation (such has it is not a matter of choice) is considered by some as being socialist indoctrination.

[Mr.Canada]

Keep in mind that any amount of "it is not right to bully little Johnny because he has two mommies" or mentioning the FACTS about sexual orientation (such has it is not a matter of choice) is considered by some as being socialist indoctrination.

Great, tell me which gene is the one that makes a person gay biologically. Until you identify the "gay gene" or provide some other scientific proof, homosexuality is a choice.

Another example to help make it clear. I believe in God, some people do not, all fine and good, whatever. I have never seen God yet I know God exists. This is the exact same thing. There is no proof that people are biologically homosexual you just believe it to be true.

If there was a gay gene that was identifiable in the womb I wonder how many parents would abort their child because of it.

[bloodyminded]

Keep in mind that any amount of "it is not right to bully little Johnny because he has two mommies" or mentioning the FACTS about sexual orientation (such has it is not a matter of choice) is considered by some as being socialist indoctrination.

Yes, it's considered as such by knuckledragging losers who dislike children.

The rest of us believe "it is not right to bully little Johnny" at all, especially for matters over which he has no control.

[bloodyminded]

Great, tell me which gene is the one that makes a person gay biologically. Until you identify the "gay gene" or provide some other scientific proof, homosexuality is a choice.

Another example to help make it clear. I believe in God, some people do not, all fine and good, whatever. I have never seen God yet I know God exists. This is the exact same thing. There is no proof that people are biologically homosexual you just believe it to be true.

If there was a gay gene that was identifiable in the womb I wonder how many parents would abort their child because of it.

All those conservative Christians who pretend to detest abortion, but hate the gays even more. Presumably.

[Bitsy]

All those conservative Christians who pretend to detest abortion, but hate the gays even more. Presumably.

You nailed it!

[Mr.Canada]

All those conservative Christians who pretend to detest abortion, but hate the gays even more. Presumably.

So in other words, no you cannot.

You nailed it!

I think I nailed it. Go back and read my post. Here.

Edited March 5, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[Bitsy]

I think I nailed it.

Of course you do

[CANADIEN]

Great, tell me which gene is the one that makes a person gay biologically. Until you identify the "gay gene" or provide some other scientific proof, homosexuality is a choice.

Never mind that the consensus amongst most scholars is that sexual orientation is not a matter of choice. You HAVE to come with the simplistic and frankly quite ridiculous "show us the gene" argument. Actually learning about the research on that topic may not convince you, but hopefully you would at least come with an argument that doesn't sounds more and more absurd everytime one reads it.

[Mr.Canada]

Never mind that the consensus amongst most scholars is that sexual orientation is not a matter of choice. You HAVE to come with the simplistic and frankly quite ridiculous "show us the gene" argument. Actually learning about the research on that topic may not convince you, but hopefully you would at least come with an argument that doesn't sounds more and more absurd everytime one reads it.

This whole board is based around "Show me the proof"! You all want cites for everything, proof of existence. Proof of God, proof of extraterrestrials, proof that Adscam happened. Cites for this and that.

So I am only following the trend here. I would like to see some scientific proof that homosexuality is biological. If it's so widely known then it should be easy for you to prove. So please provide a cite.

Of course you do

if you think that homosexuality is biologically determined prior to birth or post birth then please provide a citation proving your claim.

Edited March 5, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[Shwa]

if you think that homosexuality is biologically determined prior to birth or post birth then please provide a citation proving your claim.

Biology and sexual orientation - wiki article

This gives a decent summary on the science so far. So there is your cite. Now...

How about giving up your theory complete with cites.

Thanks!

[Mr.Canada]

Biology and sexual orientation - wiki article

This gives a decent summary on the science so far. So there is your cite. Now...

How about giving up your theory complete with cites.

Thanks!

I've read that before and it isn't conclusive at all. It's all just a theory. There is no empirical proof out there.

Pulled right from the wiki you gave me.

No simple, single cause for sexual orientation has been conclusively demonstrated...

If God cannot be in the public classroom then all this homosexuality is biological stuff shouldn't be allowed either since neither can be proven.

Edited March 6, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[Bitsy]

if you think that homosexuality is biologically determined prior to birth or post birth then please provide a citation proving your claim.

This reflects my opinion and is substantiated by my personal association with gays.

To at least 96 per cent of readers — the heterosexuals — the idea that we can be persuaded to change something as fundamental as sexual orientation seems ridiculous. So it is to homosexuals, who make up the remaining 4 per cent and who are often told that their “deviant” behaviour is a lifestyle choice.

Science has so far trodden carefully in the controversial debate about whether gays are born or made. Disparate pieces of evidence — such as homosexuality running in families, and identical twins having more similar sexual preferences than ordinary siblings — have long suggested that biology rather than upbringing shapes sexual preference. Now two researchers are throwing out the caveats in an attempt to “out” the bald scientific truth: we are born either straight or gay and nothing can be done to make us otherwise.

In Born Gay, Dr Glenn Wilson, reader in personality at the Institute of Psychiatry in London, and Dr Qazi Rahman, a psychobiologist at the University of East London, declare that “the accumulation of evidence from independent laboratories across the world has shown that the biological differences between gay and straight people cannot be ignored . . . our sexual preference is a fundamental and immutable component of our human nature”. Wilson and Rahman ’s account goes beyond whether there is a gay gene — there is no single gay gene but genes do contribute — and considers the effect of sex hormones to which foetuses are exposed in the womb.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article542811.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1

[GostHacked]

Great, tell me which gene is the one that makes a person gay biologically. Until you identify the "gay gene" or provide some other scientific proof, homosexuality is a choice.

Another example to help make it clear. I believe in God, some people do not, all fine and good, whatever. I have never seen God yet I know God exists. This is the exact same thing. There is no proof that people are biologically homosexual you just believe it to be true.

If there was a gay gene that was identifiable in the womb I wonder how many parents would abort their child because of it.

Must be some gene that shows what religion a person would follow then too right? Because beleiving in a god is a choice as far as I am concerned.

There is a gene that makes people stupid though.

[CANADIEN]

I've read that before and it isn't conclusive at all. It's all just a theory. There is no empirical proof out there.

In other words, it doesn't fit your blatant homophobia, so it is dismissed. By the way, you know what th meaning of theory is in science, don't you?

[Mr.Canada]

Bitsy. I appreciate your article. It was an interesting read to be sure. Thank you for posting it.

I have nothing against homosexuals personally. I don't wish them all to be rounded up and put into sanitariums for reprogramming or to try to cure them by experimenting medically on them or anything like that. Nor do I wish them to all be killed or any other nonsense.

Homosexuality is a learned behavior much like hatred, pedophilia, reading and writing is. Many homosexuals were molested as a young child or adolescent. I believe that these exposures to sexual attacks at young age preprogrammed the children to favor one sex over another.

I'd like to see a study done to determine how many homosexuals have been molested as a young child thereby changing their sexual desires forever. Some people also choose to lead a gay lifestyle because they like the idea of promiscuous sexual relationships. They like the idea of getting a hand job in a crowded club or a bj in the bathroom of a coffee shop. This lifestyle appeals to these people so they adopt the gay lifestyle as a matter of choice and not because of any biological pre wiring.

[CANADIEN]

Bitsy. I appreciate your article. It was an interesting read to be sure. Thank you for posting it.

I have nothing against homosexuals personally.

Yeah right.

Homosexuality is a learned behavior much like hatred, pedophilia, reading and writing is.

Which explains differences in brain structure. The CHOICE of an homosexual orientation causes the size of the suprachiasmic nucleus to change. Right.

Many homosexuals were molested as a young child or adolescent. I believe that these exposures to sexual attacks at young age preprogrammed the children to favor one sex over another.

If this were the case, the number of gays and lesbians would be higher. Much higher. Also, the percentage of gay women in the population is similar to that of gay men, yet girls who are abused as children are in the vast majority of cases abused by men. Same as boys.

[wyly]

This reflects my opinion and is substantiated by my personal association with gays.

it is present in the animal world as well and I'm quite certain that animals don't make a conscious thought in choosing a gay lifestyle or were they molested when young...there is an abundance of evidence that homosexual relationships are beneficial to species survival ours included...

and strangely there are even organisms that can change their sex when the need arises...

[lukin]

there is an abundance of evidence that homosexual relationships are beneficial to species survival ours included..

Where can I read this evidence??

[Moonlight Graham]

If God cannot be in the public classroom then all this homosexuality is biological stuff shouldn't be allowed either since neither can be proven.

Anytime i hear about the causes of homosexuality they always say that is caused by biological and/or environmental factors.

But the "homosexuality is a choice" thing is just bogus. Putting your pinker in another guy's stinker is a choice, liking it is not.

All your "theories" and assumptions are based on hunches. You should look into actual scientific research studies done on the subject, for which i'm sure there are tons. Wikipedia is NOT a scholarly source.