Shady Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 I wonder how President Obama is doing right now....maybe having a smoke? http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2009/01/26/ObamaCover-thumb-425x564.jpg So far he's been deadly silent on the Lybia situation. Hope n change! Quote
Muddy Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Reports that non Arab speaking mercenaries from Africa have landed to support the Maniac of Libya. If true ,could we have another Rawanda on our hands? Will the useless UN sit back once again and wring their hands? The least the free world could do is drop firearms and ammunition to the protesters by parachute. Give them a chance to fight back. The world talks of condemnation and trade sanctions! Kaddaffi could care less. He has said it himself. He is going to murder the protesters in a mass slaughter. Only the barrel of a gun is going to stop him. The only other hope is the Libyan Army takes the side of the people of Libya. Quote
GostHacked Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 So far he's been deadly silent on the Lybia situation. Hope n change! I guess we can only HOPE for change. Quote
Black Dog Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Libya is not Egypt, does not have a strong army that can basically say "You're done", and that's it. Gadhafi has spent four decades cementing his position by removing almost anyone within Libya that could be a threat. But the bastard's on the run now, so why not help cut this monster down? Because it's none of our business? Quote
Black Dog Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) So far he's been deadly silent on the Lybia situation. Hope n change! Yes! We demand empty platitudes! Edited February 23, 2011 by Black Dog Quote
Muddy Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Because it's none of our business? Your right! It was none of our business when Stalin tried to commit genocide in the Ukraine , it was none of our business when Hitler committed genocide against the Jews,When Mao killed millions of his own people ,when Uncle Joe murdered 20 million of his own people in the gulags, When we allowed the near genocide in Rawanda, etc etc . Just a question! When is it appropriate to make it our business? Do we walk past a girl being raped or an old person being mugged? A bully only knows one thing. Thats a kick in the nuts by somebody bigger and tougher. Good thing we did that to Hitler. Wonder why we made it our business? Quote
wyly Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 (edited) to bad so sad but it really is none of our business if the Libyan military doesn't give a crap about it's own people there's nothing we can or should do...and hitler only made it everyone's business when he attacked his neighbours... Edited February 23, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
ToadBrother Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 to bad so sad but it really is none of our business if the Libyan military doesn't give a crap about it's own people there's nothing we can or should do...and hitler only made it everyone's business when he attacked his neighbours... And we stood by when a million Rwandans were slaughtered... and we stood by when the Nazis killed six million Jews... Quote
Black Dog Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Your right! It was none of our business when Stalin tried to commit genocide in the Ukraine , it was none of our business when Hitler committed genocide against the Jews,When Mao killed millions of his own people ,when Uncle Joe murdered 20 million of his own people in the gulags, When we allowed the near genocide in Rawanda, etc etc . Just a question! When is it appropriate to make it our business? Do we walk past a girl being raped or an old person being mugged? A bully only knows one thing. Thats a kick in the nuts by somebody bigger and tougher. Good thing we did that to Hitler. Wonder why we made it our business? Let's be clear on one thing: as deplorable as events in Libya are, it's no genocide and as such does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the historical acts of slaughter above. I mean, come on: Hitler? These kinds of events are, unfortunately, all too common and the price we pay for living in an imperfect world. But suppose "we" decide to intervene and-what? invade and occupy Libya?-why stop there? The list of countries that deserve direct intervention by your logic is long and there's just no practical way to get involved in every case. Sad but true. Furthermore, one need look no further than the boondoggles in Iraq and Afghanistan to see how the unintended consequences of the liberation doctrine you espouse can cause things to go dramatically pear-shaped. the best course of action is to offer support to the lIbyan people, but that's it. It's their fight. Quote
Muddy Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Let's be clear on one thing: as deplorable as events in Libya are, it's no genocide and as such does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the historical acts of slaughter above. I mean, come on: Hitler? These kinds of events are, unfortunately, all too common and the price we pay for living in an imperfect world. But suppose "we" decide to intervene and-what? invade and occupy Libya?-why stop there? The list of countries that deserve direct intervention by your logic is long and there's just no practical way to get involved in every case. Sad but true. Furthermore, one need look no further than the boondoggles in Iraq and Afghanistan to see how the unintended consequences of the liberation doctrine you espouse can cause things to go dramatically pear-shaped. the best course of action is to offer support to the lIbyan people, but that's it. It's their fight. I do agree with you to some extent but why not an assination of Kadaffey and his sons. In this world of high teck ,surely it is possible.I mean Reagan put a missel into his window. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 I do agree with you to some extent but why not an assination of Kadaffey and his sons. In this world of high teck ,surely it is possible.I mean Reagan put a missel into his window. Sure it's possible...let Canada show the world how it is done. The US will grade your performance! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Black Dog Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 I do agree with you to some extent but why not an assination of Kadaffey and his sons. In this world of high teck ,surely it is possible.I mean Reagan put a missel into his window. Think of the precedent this sets. You simply can't go around offing world leaders you don't like. Even Reagan had the excuse of the Berlin bombings. Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 Yes, and Daniel Ortega has sent his moral support to Gaddafi:Washington Post It is absurd to pretend that Gaddafi was in any way supported by the West. Is your point that authoritarian kooks are authoritarian kooks?? If so,I agree... By the way,very "Professorlike" in your selective quoting... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Rue Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 What is clear from watching him on t.v. is he is mentally deranged. He has been for years. He has stayed in power because Italy depends for 90% of its oil and gas from him and France, Britain and Germany are all dependent on Libyan oil. How long ago was it Sarkosy invited him to Paris and Tony Blair was kissing his hand in Tripoli making all Brits cringe thinking this lunatic who killed in cold blood so many passengers over Lockerbie now had the British Prime Minister kissing his hand literally. Oh we in Canada got in on the act. we went there kissing his hand too. A lot of nations did. He may be mentally ill but he was not stupid. What is ironic at this point is seeing Noriega in Nicaragua, Chavez in Venezuela and Castro in retirement try sing his praise as a revolutionary. Politics. It makes strange bed fellows. This man make no mistake is a psychopath. He will go out violently and killing thousands. Eventually NATO may send forces in. They may have no choice if they think the oil fields are in danger or there are seriously dangerous weapons about to change hands. I am sure we will get a cover story about concern over Libyans though. The fact is thousands will die unless the Western nations think their oil is endangered. I am waiting. Oh come on. Someone blame Israel or Obama for this. Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 23, 2011 Report Posted February 23, 2011 What is clear from watching him on t.v. is he is mentally deranged. He has been for years. He has stayed in power because Italy depends for 90% of its oil and gas from him and France, Britain and Germany are all dependent on Libyan oil. How long ago was it Sarkosy invited him to Paris and Tony Blair was kissing his hand in Tripoli making all Brits cringe thinking this lunatic who killed in cold blood so many passengers over Lockerbie now had the British Prime Minister kissing his hand literally. Oh we in Canada got in on the act. we went there kissing his hand too. A lot of nations did. He may be mentally ill but he was not stupid. What is ironic at this point is seeing Noriega in Nicaragua, Chavez in Venezuela and Castro in retirement try sing his praise as a revolutionary. Politics. It makes strange bed fellows. This man make no mistake is a psychopath. He will go out violently and killing thousands. Eventually NATO may send forces in. They may have no choice if they think the oil fields are in danger or there are seriously dangerous weapons about to change hands. I am sure we will get a cover story about concern over Libyans though. The fact is thousands will die unless the Western nations think their oil is endangered. I am waiting. Oh come on. Someone blame Israel or Obama for this. Other than it's Daniel Ortega and NOT Manuel Noriega... This is spot on!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Scotty Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 Because it's none of our business? Just curious here but... why was South Africa and Rhodesia our business? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Black Dog Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 (edited) Just curious here but... why was South Africa and Rhodesia our business? Just curious: when did "we" use military force to help oust either regime? Edited February 24, 2011 by Black Dog Quote
Shady Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 Just curious: when did "we" use military force to help oust either regime? Who's using or even talking about using force to oust this regime? Quote
Black Dog Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 Who's using or even talking about using force to oust this regime? Well, you could try reading the thread, that might help you figure out how the discussion got to this point. Quote
Rue Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 Other than it's Daniel Ortega and NOT Manuel Noriega... This is spot on!!! All those Ortega boys look the same. Say Jack now its Al Quaeda Moe claims is trying to get him. I thought he and Osama were an item at one point. Go figure. Quote
Rue Posted February 24, 2011 Report Posted February 24, 2011 Who's using or even talking about using force to oust this regime? No one right now. However Uncle Moe (Mummy, Mumsie) Ghaddafi aka kaddafi, aka Bug Eyes says he will blow up the oil fields if he has to. I for one thing he is a raving mad man and may do just that. I also think given the dependence of Spain, Italy and France on Libyan oil, I can't see NATO just watching the oil go kaboom. You saw how fast NATO and the US went in when Hussein started blowing up Kuwaiti oil wells. You think its a stretch to think they would not do it again and present themselves as saviours of the people while doing it? The optics is there and in this day and age, optics is everything. I sound cynical because I mean it. Thousands will continue to die. No one cares. We saw it in Sudan, Rwanda, etc. The only time people get involved is if someone's oil supply is endangered. China has no problem protecting Sudan and its policy of genocide as long as its oil is sae. China has no problem protecting Iran as long as its oil from them is safe. Its business. The only reason Chavez is not dead by now is he has not cut the oil off to the U.S. If he does that, poof he will go. Libya produces 2% of the world's oil. If it was producing more, NATO would already have been in there protecting the oil fields. Tot hink at one point Uncle Moe was rumoured to be working on nuclear weapons and is said to have chemical weapons. Quote
wyly Posted February 25, 2011 Report Posted February 25, 2011 (edited) And we stood by when a million Rwandans were slaughtered... and we stood by when the Nazis killed six million Jews... factual history problems once again, no one was in any position to stop Rwanda incident from occuring and the Rwandans themselves ended it...no one stood by when the Nazis commited genocide you may recall there was a war going on to defeat the Nazi's Edited February 25, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted February 25, 2011 Report Posted February 25, 2011 I do agree with you to some extent but why not an assination of Kadaffey and his sons. In this world of high teck ,surely it is possible.I mean Reagan put a missel into his window. do we put a missile through the window of every foreign leader we don't like...it's not our problem, libyan problem for libyans to solve... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Jack Weber Posted February 25, 2011 Report Posted February 25, 2011 All those Ortega boys look the same. Say Jack now its Al Quaeda Moe claims is trying to get him. I thought he and Osama were an item at one point. Go figure. "Badges???...We need no stinking badges around here!!!" Mo's lost it completely..Grasping at straws to save his own hide... I see a Mussolinilike public display of him shortly.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted February 25, 2011 Report Posted February 25, 2011 factual history problems once again, no one was in any position to stop Rwanda incident from occuring and the Rwandans themselves ended it...no one stood by when the Nazis commited genocide you may recall there was a war going on to defeat the Nazi's 'Cause there was no written blueprint layin' around that might point to Herr Shickelgrubers little plan for the Jews in Germany (and a whole host of other ethnic groups)???... A blueprint translated into several languages by 1930??? Wait a minute.. It says here there was... It was called... Mine Camping?? Mina Campos?? Meiner Dumkepfen??? Oh,that's it!!! Mein Kampf!!! Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
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