M.Dancer Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 That has much more to do with technological change than the outsourcing of jobs offshore. uh huh... technological change is one reason why jobs can be outsourced. Change is good... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Guest American Woman Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Not much. You could eliminate the war spending all together, and the deficit would still be over one trillion dollars. That's a fact. They are not separate issues, one having nothing to do with the other. For the record, Obama inherited the largest deficit in our history - 1.3 trillion. What kind of deficit did Bush face coming into office? Quote
Scotty Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 (edited) They have to rethink their foreign policy. End all the wars, close many of the bases, bring their troops home. They have to eliminate many of the departments such as the Department of Education and Homeland Security. This is the kind of mindless Tea Party bullshit which is driving what passes for Republican thought. Get rid of Homeland Security?! Are you mental? There are 22 agencies in homeland security, including the border patrol, INS, and a wide variety of federal protection service. And you say "oh just get rid of it" like none of that stuff needs to be done. Education is responsible for grants to states and schools across America for a wide variety of programs, often dealing with disabled and the poverty stricken, as well as post secondary grants to students. Raising the debt ceiling won't solve any problems. It will allow them to pay the bills next month, which will prevent the tens of thousands or private sector employers who are owed money from being unable to pay their own suppliers, and from laying off their employees. How's that for a start? Edited July 18, 2011 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Raising taxes is out of the question. Cutting half the federal budget overnight is out of the question. Raising taxes is real easy. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 There's no need to cut spending by 40%. Nobody has suggested balancing the budget tomorrow. But you do have to cut some spending, reform social security and medicare, and produce an economic environment that actually produces jobs and a growing economy. The President has failed on all of those. Again, take a page of out what Chretien and Martin did with spending back in the mid-90s. I doubt you want to go there. A big reason for Canada's getting control of its budget was the GST put in place in the Mulroney era. The US clearly needs a similar sales tax. As for the rest, Obama has already said as much. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 And the last thing that should be done right now is raise taxes to pay for Obama's completely reckless spending. Such as what? Hasn't the big majority of what he's spent been the incentive program George Bush ordered up? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Obama's budget director wouldn't answer about prioritizing payments if an agreement isn't reached on August 2nd. I'm not sure why he's playing stupid. Everybody knows now that come August 2nd, there's absolutely no possibility of any default, and that they can prioritize payments to meet social security, medicare, veterans and military pay. It's pathetic the way they can lie so easily on national television. :angry: I'm not sure why you think that somehow everything would be fine if they can pay for those. Think of tens of thousands of private sector companies which do business with the government suddenly unable to pay their suppliers, and _millions_ of people being laid off as the stock market drops a thousand points. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Scotty Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Wrong again. I think you're setting a record in this thread. The Bush tax cuts were set to expire. He could have just let them expire. Instead, he extended them. All of them. Even for the top bracket. Hope n change! I seem to recall the Republicans fought tooth and nail insisting the tax cuts remain, refusing any compromise, even to those making a million dollars a year. Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
punked Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 I'm not sure why you think that somehow everything would be fine if they can pay for those. Think of tens of thousands of private sector companies which do business with the government suddenly unable to pay their suppliers, and _millions_ of people being laid off as the stock market drops a thousand points. No Shady believes Obama to be a big meanie so whatever he says must be wrong not matter who else agrees with him. If Obama came out and said "Know what Russia is a great a trading partner I don't see us going to war with them" Shady would start banging the drums of war with Russia. It is how his mind works. Quote
Scotty Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 You grow revenues. You produce an economy that actually creates jobs, and more tax payers. That actually produces strong economic growth. In other words, you need to have a new administration that knows something about doing it. You mean like Bush? :-P Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
pinko Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Moody's suggests U.S. eliminate debt ceiling http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/18/us-usa-debt-moodys-idUSTRE76H0WH20110718 Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Usury has been institutionalized in the USA and is connected to the ability of corporations to manipulate funds both onshore and offshore. You don't honestly believe such altruism will alleviate the current circumstances in the USA do you? Yes - I have faith in even the spoiled idiots..but then again not - It would be like asking my billionare associate for a thousand bucks - He would not give it to you - He would act like it was out of principle but the subtext would read - " I love my money to much - it does not matter if I can move a few billion dollars with the stroke of a pen...no way in hell am I going to part with any money what so ever if I can help it" - They have a rule in this class...Take everything you can from everyone you can and never give anything back unless it is for the sake of public relations - that when phrased properly will generate even MORE money for me...and make me appear like a good and charitable man......no altruism really does not exist. If the super rich grant money to anyone...charity or nation - They are not really giving anyting - cos' if you get a tax break for giving - you are actually MAKING more and NOT really giving - I remember being by the side of Belinda Stronachs pool and seeing a letter to the maid - DO not give more than 7 dollars an hour to the swimming instructor".....cheap...just plain hording cheap - and I am sure it is typical of this class. Money is the very identity and absolute self worth of these people - to truely give is like chopping off a leg. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Reading doesn't appear to be one of your stronger skills. Whatever old man...go ask your son for more stories about America. You are sentenced to life...in Winnipeg. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
pinko Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Whatever old man...go ask your son for more stories about America. You are sentenced to life...in Winnipeg. Not necessarily. A move to Vancouver is being contemplated. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Whatever old man...go ask your son for more stories about America. You are sentenced to life...in Winnipeg. Winnipeg is like hell with a ladder. Those with common sense and good sight - spot the ladder and get the hell out of there. Those without the mentioned attributes will lean back and say ..."it's not really that hot today...and those flames provide free lighting....this place is not that bad". Quote
pinko Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Winnipeg is like hell with a ladder. Those with common sense and good sight - spot the ladder and get the hell out of there. Those without the mentioned attributes will lean back and say ..."it's not really that hot today...and those flames provide free lighting....this place is not that bad". I'm okay. We have central air and the basement is fully finished. In the hot weather I spend the majority of my time in the basement. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Not necessarily. A move to Vancouver is being contemplated. You missed the point old man....your own family took advantage of the opportunities in "doomed" America. Probably still do. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
pinko Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 You missed the point old man....your own family took advantage of the opportunities in "doomed" America. Probably still do. I have family on both sides of the border. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 I'm okay. We have central air and the basement is fully finished. In the hot weather I spend the majority of my time in the basement. Me also - It's hot in TO --- Have one AC where I sit - and one at the rear of the apartment....My chair is old but pretty comfortable...Got a couple of High Def screens...some huge JBL speakers...what can I say - just glad my youngest son works and all I have to do is walk the dogs and do the dishes - no insult on Winnipeg _ Toronto is an expensive city _ If you have a good and steady income it is tolerable - If you are like me it is a shit hole...a prison - but my cell is nice. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 I have family on both sides of the border. Too bad....I guess all those in the USA are "doomed"? Still, even as Doomsday approaches for America, it never occurred to me to escape to Canada! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
pinko Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Too bad....I guess all those in the USA are "doomed"? Still, even as Doomsday approaches for America, it never occurred to me to escape to Canada! You seem to do a lot of guessing. Quote
eyeball Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Too bad....I guess all those in the USA are "doomed"? Still, even as Doomsday approaches for America, it never occurred to me to escape to Canada! Why not, you're here virtually all the time already. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Shady Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 For the record, Obama inherited the largest deficit in our history - 1.3 trillion. That deficit included TARP. What's his excuse this year? and the year before? And next year? He's made his stimulus spending the baseline for all future spending. Cutting half the federal budget overnight is out of the question. Raising taxes is real easy. Once again, nobody has suggested cutting half of the federal budget overnight. But yes, raising taxes is really easy. It's the easy way out, that doesn't solve any problems. I doubt you want to go there. A big reason for Canada's getting control of its budget was the GST put in place in the Mulroney era. Actually it wasn't. It was Chretien and Martin cutting spending by a 6 to 1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. Obama's dragged kicking and screaming for a 2 to 1 ratio. He's pathetic. Such as what? Hasn't the big majority of what he's spent been the incentive program George Bush ordered up? Nope. It's been Obama's failed stimulus spending that he now holds has a baseline for all current and future spending levels. No Shady believes Obama to be a big meanie Nope. He's not a meanie. He's a moron. An economic moron. Quote
maple_leafs182 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 This is the kind of mindless Tea Party bullshit which is driving what passes for Republican thought. Get rid of Homeland Security?! Are you mental? There are 22 agencies in homeland security, including the border patrol, INS, and a wide variety of federal protection service. And you say "oh just get rid of it" like none of that stuff needs to be done. Education is responsible for grants to states and schools across America for a wide variety of programs, often dealing with disabled and the poverty stricken, as well as post secondary grants to students.I guess I'm mental...how did the US ever survive before homeland security. A lot of that ste the Department of Homeland security does it doesn't need to be done and some of it is unconstitutional. What does need to be done can still be done. Let the states be in charge of there education, get the federal government out of education. If there are any necessary services they can be moved to a different department. Not to mention that the Department of Education has made test score fall since it was created. Governments are inefficient. What would you recommend the US do? Keep going down the same road they are going down and wait till there is another economic down turn before taking any real action. It will allow them to pay the bills next month, which will prevent the tens of thousands or private sector employers who are owed money from being unable to pay their own suppliers, and from laying off their employees. How's that for a start? What about the month after that, or the month after that, or a year or 2 from now. How will they pay for everything then? More and more debt won't solve the problem, eventually they will hit a lending limit...China will not always be there to buy up bonds. Maybe the US should cancel its trillion dollar+ debt it owes to the Fed. It is technically money it owes itself...wait, private banks own the fed and they get a 6% annual dividend from it. I don't think they would be happy with that but there is one trillion dollars that can go just like that. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Posted July 18, 2011 Why not, you're here virtually all the time already. Ahem...here is in the United States...near Houston, Texas to be exact. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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