Shady Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 The recent American state dinner for the President of China once again got me thinking about their unequal/unfair currency and trade practices. Is it time now for somebody to actually do something about it? Is it time now for a President Trump? Is it time for a leader that doesn't hold dinners for countries and people that are purposely screwing him and his country through currency manipulation and one-sided trade methods. Is it time for a leader that will also challenge OPEC? Trump on OPEC and oil prices: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtsbyoB8a_s Trump on China: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnqEbuLuoYc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KToXWKTh2M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Trump is a bit of a clown isn't he ? He lost all of his money, then told creditors that if he declared bankruptcy, his reputation would be hurt so badly that he couldn't cash in on it to pay them back. It worked. "I was ordering windows for a building...." WTF ? This is something the CEO does ? He doesn't want trade with China, huh ? Okaaaay.... Who does China deal with ? He throws out a lot of anomalies with a bit of outrage... "We're building roads in Iraq !" The hosts can't stop laughing... that almost restored my faith in network TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Trump is a bit of a clown isn't he ? I disagree. He lost all of his money, then told creditors that if he declared bankruptcy, his reputation would be hurt so badly that he couldn't cash in on it to pay them back. It worked. I think you've been reading too many tabloids. No, he didn't lose all of his money. But he did get into debt. And no, that wasn't what he said to get out of it. "I was ordering windows for a building...." WTF ? This is something the CEO does ? Maybe it is. Do you have some information suggesting otherwise? Or is it just speculation. Perhaps depending on the project, and the building, he gets involved at a greater level. How do you operate as a CEO? He doesn't want trade with China, huh ? Okaaaay.... Who does China deal with ? Where are you getting this from? Seriously? Are you drunk? He didn't say that he didn't want to trade with China. He just thinks that fair trade is a better solution. Or are you a big fan of China's currency manipulation and it's unfair huge tarriffs on imported goods? He throws out a lot of anomalies with a bit of outrage... "We're building roads in Iraq !" Yes, he's not a big fan of the wasted billions of dollars being shoveled into Iraq and especially Afghanistan. That makes him quite in the mainstream. Perhaps you're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 No, he didn't lose all of his money. But he did get into debt. Bankrupt, $900M personal, $3.1B business debt. Chapter filings.He is a good businessman but would suck at Govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 At first glance it seems like the trade relationship is unfair, but if you look at the big picture its actually a pretty sweet deal for the US. You have to realize that China takes most of the money generated by its huge US trade surplus, and they simply GIVE it back to the US by purchasing bills and bonds. The other countries buying US bills and bonds are ALSO countries with large US trade surpluses. So China and similar countries are basically taking the money they make trading with the US, and pumping it back in to prop up the US economy and the US dollar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitsy Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Trump is a bit of a clown isn't he ? Don't forget egotistical clown! The hosts can't stop laughing... that almost restored my faith in network TV. He didn't even know he was being zinged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Very interesting videos Shady, didnt hear he was seriously thinking of a run. If there's anyone who could win as an independent candidate, it would be Trump. Everybody knows him so he wouldn't need as much publicy/ads for people to take him seriously or get media attention like the Dems/Repubs, plus he's got some cash to make a run without taking money from every lobbyist on the face of the earth. an independent being elected would likely be a great change for the world. The OPEC rants make some sense, but did i just hear him blame the whole economic meltdown on OPEC & oil prices? Are you kidding me? C'mon. What i find insane about the US giving so much business to China is that they are helping to build a future superpower that will very likely challenge the US militarily at some point. Why the heck is the US destroying its own global hegemony??? It's insane. Both countries are linked closely economically plus China isn't quite the ideological Commie threat the USSR was, so that may prevent the same type of Cold War. I'd much rather have the US on top by itself than the totalitarian Chinese dictating international rules with them, or even above them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 (edited) Very interesting videos Shady, didnt hear he was seriously thinking of a run. If there's anyone who could win as an independent candidate, it would be Trump. Everybody knows him so he wouldn't need as much publicy/ads for people to take him seriously or get media attention like the Dems/Repubs, plus he's got some cash to make a run without taking money from every lobbyist on the face of the earth. an independent being elected would likely be a great change for the world. I would like to know Trump's social views however. The OPEC rants make some sense, but did i just hear him blame the whole economic meltdown on OPEC & oil prices? Are you kidding me? C'mon. What i find insane about the US giving so much business to China is that they are helping to build a future superpower that will very likely challenge the US militarily at some point. Why the heck is the US destroying its own global hegemony??? It's insane. Both countries are linked closely economically plus China isn't quite the ideological Commie threat the USSR was, so that may prevent the same type of Cold War. I'd much rather have the US on top by itself than the totalitarian Chinese dictating international rules with them, or even above them. Edited January 22, 2011 by Moonlight Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Don't forget egotistical clown! Nice. Dodge the issues and name call. Excellent form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinko Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Nice. Dodge the issues and name call. Excellent form. Trump isn't presidential material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Trump isn't presidential material. As oppose to the community organizer currently occupying the White House? Who let's China place huge tariffs on American exports. Who let's China completely manipulate their currency without any repercussions. If that's presidential material, we could all do with a little less of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIP Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Okay, this is getting a little scary now that conservatives seem to be thinking that a psychotic immoral degenerate like Donald Trump is the right kind of guy for a leader! This is someone who's only motivation is greed, and as president, would do what every other banana republic president does -- see how best to use the nation's wealth and resources for personal advantage (see Baby Doc Duvalier for a recent example in the news). Is it because the right thinks the people who accumulate great personal wealth will somehow create prosperity for others? How many rightwingers need to be reminded of the number of times that Donal Trump has declared bankruptcy and left his debts for other investors and the government to deal with? The only difference between the superrich and the average schmo is that the big shots get to just run out and do it all over again. If this was 19th century England, Trump would be sitting in a debtors prison after his junk bond-financed "Taj Mahal" casino went under. For all of their claims of having the highest moral principles, conservatives with power are willing to do anything that suits their advantage, regardless of the consequences to others (Tom Delay's conviction for extorting money from Indian Casinos and foreign child labour operations for a recent example) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Okay, this is getting a little scary now that conservatives seem to be thinking that a psychotic immoral degenerate like Donald Trump is the right kind of guy for a leader! This is someone who's only motivation is greed, and as president, would do what every other banana republic president does -- see how best to use the nation's wealth and resources for personal advantage (see Baby Doc Duvalier for a recent example in the news). Is it because the right thinks the people who accumulate great personal wealth will somehow create prosperity for others? How many rightwingers need to be reminded of the number of times that Donal Trump has declared bankruptcy and left his debts for other investors and the government to deal with? The only difference between the superrich and the average schmo is that the big shots get to just run out and do it all over again. If this was 19th century England, Trump would be sitting in a debtors prison after his junk bond-financed "Taj Mahal" casino went under. For all of their claims of having the highest moral principles, conservatives with power are willing to do anything that suits their advantage, regardless of the consequences to others (Tom Delay's conviction for extorting money from Indian Casinos and foreign child labour operations for a recent example) Theyre just hard up to recruit someone to run that isnt a total retard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 Okay, this is getting a little scary now that conservatives seem to be thinking that a psychotic immoral degenerate like Donald Trump Yes of course, he's psychotic, immoral and a degenerate. More name calling. This is someone who's only motivation is greed I wasn't aware you're a mind reader. Do you always attached motives to people that are impossible to prove one way or the other? and as president, would do what every other banana republic president does -- see how best to use the nation's wealth and resources for personal advantage Nice. Now you can predict the future! Are combating China's currency manipulation, unfair trade practices such as tariffs on American exports and taking on OPEC using the nation's wealth and resources for personal advantage? Of course not. You're acting like a crazy person. How many rightwingers need to be reminded of the number of times that Donal Trump has declared bankruptcy and left his debts for other investors and the government to deal with? This seems to be the constant knock on Trump from his communist/progressive detractors. If one looks at the facts, and not at the kook leftwing hate speech directed toward him, it tells an entirely different story. Yes, in the early 90's, the recession hit his business hard, and he fell behind on loan payments. But those loans were restructured, so that he was able to pay them back. He also gave up 50% ownership in a couple of his luxury casinos to the banks he owned money to. Those casinos have been thriving for many years now. A shrewd investment for the banks that agreed to those terms. But again, I'm not sure what that has to do with wanting a leader to actually hold foreign currancy manipulation and unfair trade practices accountable. I'm not sure what that has to do with calling out OPEC on their economy killing policies. It's bizarre to me that you far leftwingers actually attack Trump with a thousand times the vitriol, than you do China and OPEC. Two entities that have a very negative impact on our economy and way of life. About a million times more of an impact than anything Donald Trump has ever done. It's as if your strict partisan dogma refuses to allow you to look at things any other way. It's pretty sad if that's the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Are combating China's currency manipulation, unfair trade practices such as tariffs on American exports and taking on OPEC using the nation's wealth and resources for personal advantage? Of course not. You're acting like a crazy person. You and mr Trump dont understand your relationship with China very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitsy Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Excellent form. Geez, I didn't realize that we were graded on form here. Are you the Headmaster, Shady? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Theyre just hard up to recruit someone to run that isnt a total retard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) One thing with Trump, there aren't many wealthy businessmen as overrated as Trump. He's worth 2 bil, that only makes him #488 on the Forbes 500 list, but is a huge celebrity...yet the just about anyone standing in a room with the top 10 on that list wouldn't even have a clue who most of them are. He's worth money, but got a lot from his father, and seems to fail as much as he succeeds. Having a guy as Prez with the debt/money problems he's had might not be the guy to help the US solve that problem. One thing this proves though, he sure knows how to brand and sell himself. He should have been a marketing mogul instead of real estate. Edited January 23, 2011 by Moonlight Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 (edited) Delete. Edited January 23, 2011 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Is it time now for somebody to actually do something about it? Is it time now for a President Trump?No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Who let's China place huge tariffs on American exports. Who let's China completely manipulate their currency without any repercussions. If that's presidential material, we could all do with a little less of it. I thought you liked George Bush? Why the hate now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Maybe it is. Do you have some information suggesting otherwise? Or is it just speculation. Perhaps depending on the project, and the building, he gets involved at a greater level. How do you operate as a CEO? Shady... Trump is a farcical TV personality. Any party that nominated him would be a laughing stock. If you think he's great, then good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 Shady... Trump is a farcical TV personality. Any party that nominated him would be a laughing stock. If you think he's great, then good for you. So was Arny... so was Ronny... I think theyre onto something... running a relatively successful well known capitalist instead of a retarded hockey mom, or whackjob preacher, or senile war veteran might not be a bad idea. If G-Dub can be president after running businesses into the ground, guzzling whiskey, and snorting cocaine then why not Donald? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 24, 2011 Report Share Posted January 24, 2011 If G-Dub can be president after running businesses into the ground, guzzling whiskey, and snorting cocaine then why not Donald? Of course he can. But if Palin is too flaky, then Trump won't pass the flake test either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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