Democratic Congresswoman almost killed in Arizona

Pliny · January 12, 2011

Why do you have to rely on the thoughts of an American from a bygone era?

:lol: :lol:

I had the idea before I heard the quote. Washington put it quite succinctly into words.

Some brilliant men lived in bygone eras. Brilliance is more lacking and unrecognized today than yesterday.

bush_cheney2004 · January 12, 2011

It is true the definition of "person" was limited at the time of the writing of the Constitution. A "person" was a male and usually a landowner. Slaves, Blacks and Women were not persons....

...except for the few black male landowners who were voting citizens! Free black males were also "persons".

M.Dancer · January 12, 2011

Right. Canadians have restrictive gun control laws that make a citizen's militia impossible.

Canada's reserves are by definition, citizen's militias.

In the US, the non whack job militias are known as the National Guard.

kimmy · January 12, 2011

So sad that Republicans can't take responsiblity for their actions.

I think what you meant is "So sad that Republicans can't take responsiblity for Jared Lee Loughner's actions."

-k

Pliny · January 12, 2011

So sad that Republicans can't take responsiblity for their actions.

Their "actions" or the ones the left likes to assign them? From a political perspective everything bad is assigned to the opposition, to take this opportunity to make political gain is, in my view in keeping with the left's sense of "responsibility" of taking advantage of a good crisis.

I wish those posters here on the right would stop playing your idiotic game of pointing fingers. It is irrelevant if Democrats used any military terms or symbols in their campaigns. Attempting to say it is so only serves to grant validity to the point.

Pliny · January 12, 2011

...except for the few black male landowners who were voting citizens! Free black males were also "persons".

I believe you are correct but could you tell me if that was true in all States?

Pliny · January 12, 2011

we do not acknowledge your sham political system....

Hi Waldo!

bush_cheney2004 · January 12, 2011

I believe you are correct but could you tell me if that was true in all States?

I don't know if it was true in all states....I suspect as you may that it was far less likely in the South, but not impossible since the concept of a freed or free man was recognized. Indentured whites could attain such a status, and this gradually gave way to pre and post slave trade laws only.

The history of blacks in America is not monolithic, including the existence of black slave owners.

Pliny · January 12, 2011

Canada's reserves are by definition, citizen's militias.

So militia and reserves are the same thing in Canada? I can't see how you could define a citizen's militia yet restrict citizen's from bearing arms? Must be a misnomer.

In the US, the non whack job militias are known as the National Guard.

So...ALL non-National Guard militias are whack job militias? Just by mere existence, I suppose?

Well, there certainly is no shortage in the dissemination of that concept of right wing militias. Left Wing militias are known as defenders of "social justice" and not even called militia. Like Bill Ayers and the Weathermen.

Pliny · January 12, 2011

I don't know if it was true in all states....I suspect as you may that it was far less likely in the South, but not impossible since the concept of a freed or free man was recognized. Indentured whites could attain such a status, and this gradually gave way to pre and post slave trade laws only.

The history of blacks in America is not monolithic, including the existence of black slave owners.

From the history I have read I seem to recall that a few States did recognize a free Black male as a "person" who could own land and vote.

M.Dancer · January 12, 2011

So militia and reserves are the same thing in Canada? I can't see how you could define a citizen's militia yet restrict citizen's from bearing arms? Must be a misnomer.

The right to bear arms has no bearing on militias. In England which has never had that right, and where militias in our context arose, the qualifictaion to be in a militia was the ability to bear arms...arms were supplied. I was in the Black Watch which was designated as an mechanized infantry unit. You could hardly expect that citizen's would be obliged to use their own Carl Gustav's and own a Grizzly AFV...

So...ALL non-National Guard militias are whack job militias? Just by mere existence, I suppose?

I'm sure there are one or two that aren't whackjobs...but in a modern context most are. Remember that the KKK started as a militia. If a militia's purpose is to protect the community, but is not under the auspices of that community, then in my books they are merely an armed band.

Well, there certainly is no shortage in the dissemination of that concept of right wing militias. Left Wing militias are known as defenders of "social justice" and not even called militia. Like Bill Ayers and the Weathermen.

The weathermen were terrorists.

bush_cheney2004 · January 12, 2011

From the history I have read I seem to recall that a few States did recognize a free Black male as a "person" who could own land and vote.

Well, this did not happen in a vacuum...politically, northern states wanted to have the "moral" high ground.

GostHacked · January 12, 2011

A corporation is also considered a person.

bush_cheney2004 · January 12, 2011

....The weathermen were terrorists.

Yep...there was no shortage of "left wing" groups with a penchant for gun play. I think Patty Hearst looks good with a machine gun. Weapons possession and protests against weapons bans were key to the formation of the Black Panther Party and its specific political objectives.

M.Dancer · January 12, 2011

A corporation is also considered a person.

But not in the same way. You can't sue an engine block. or you can't tax one either..but you can sue Detroit Deisel and tax it as well.

Wilber · January 12, 2011

Definition two is now passe and sexually discriminatory. It should include all citizens.

If it is the whole body of "citizens" subject to call to military service then the government should be supplying the weapons to those citizens as they do, for males in the militia, in Switzerland.

nicky is, in my view, a bit out to lunch by equating the militia to, in his words, "the f'ing army". The militia is comprised of citizens and those citizens need to have arms available to them so there should be no infringement upon their right to bear arms. In an emergency they need to have arms.

Yes arms must be available in order to have a militia but not even the US requires its citizens to provide their own. Linking the right to carry to the ability to form a militia is pure bullshit.

Topaz · January 12, 2011

There's enough blame to go around. Its the media, both Dems and Reps. parties, but the one that really does more damage is talk radio. When you have certain host pounding out the same words over and over again, daily, weekly, monthly, any person that can't deal with what is being said will explode mentally. The head of Fox said today, he wants all hosts to tone down what they say. So he is admitting that there is some truth in what is being said. Most of the radio talk show in the US are help by Republican supporters. Correct? As far as gun control, I heard one American say, that will never happen in America. So thy will carry there guns and this WILL happen again sometime in the future. Do you know that all congress and senate members have guns? They can't take them to the government building but they have them. What a sad nation. BTW, do you know that Hinkley and the Bush family were very close friends? Apparently, Hinkley thought a lot of Bush sr. and he wanted him to be President and that is one of the reasons he tried to kill Reagan. That's not my view that is what I heard on a program by the way.

bush_cheney2004 · January 12, 2011

Most of the radio talk show in the US are help by Republican supporters. Correct?

No...many shows are sports oriented with social and political controversy tossed in between games. The main political talk radio shows are dominated by conservative leaning folk, but Air America had its moment in the sun after the 2000 presidential election, with plenty of "hate speech".

As far as gun control, I heard one American say, that will never happen in America. So thy will carry there guns and this WILL happen again sometime in the future.

Yes it will happen again...it happens every day to someone.

Do you know that all congress and senate members have guns? They can't take them to the government building but they have them.

That's a bunch of hooey!

What a sad nation.

Gotta take the good with the bad. America does not need your pity....but I understand why you have to give it.

BTW, do you know that Hinkley and the Bush family were very close friends? Apparently, Hinkley thought a lot of Bush sr. and he wanted him to be President and that is one of the reasons he tried to kill Reagan. That's not my view that is what I heard on a program by the way.

Oh come on...you always say that.