Guest TrueMetis Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 When did Jesus give away all his things to the poor? And what were those things? Have you read the bible? Jesus didn't have all that much stuff. FYI Yahweh is usually used as the name for the Christian god, and atheists are one of the single most diverse groups you can think of. This guy, this guy, and this guy are all atheists and they have nothing in common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 He said people should give away all their things When did he say that? Perhaps you have a different bible? One written by yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 When did he say that? Perhaps you have a different bible? One written by yourself. Luke 18:22When Jesus heard his answer, he said, "There is still one thing you haven't done. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." You'll get some variation on that in every bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 You'll get some variation on that in every bible. Actually, that's part of a parable Jesus was telling to a rich man. You guys need to read more than one line from a story to know what you're talking about. You completely left out the context of the discussion. I'm embarassed for all of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Actually, that's part of a parable Jesus was telling to a rich man. You guys need to read more than one line from a story to know what you're talking about. You completely left out the context of the discussion. I'm embarassed for all of you. That's the thing about the bible, it's open to interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Actually, that's part of a parable Jesus was telling to a rich man. You guys need to read more than one line from a story to know what you're talking about. You completely left out the context of the discussion. I'm embarassed for all of you. And what do you think the parables were? Amusing little fictions to while away the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 That's the thing about the bible, it's open to interpretation. There isn't an interpretation here. It's a line taken from a parable being told by Jesus to a rich man. It's not some universal declaration directed toward every person. I love it when atheists try and talk the bible. Guys, stick to things you actually know about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I love it when atheists try and talk the bible. Guys, stick to things you actually know about. Personally I'm agnostic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfezziwig Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 So when athietists parents do get around to actually indoctrinating their children with their own moral beliefs it's not religious brainwashing but a childs free choice, and when a christian or muslum does it is religious brainwashing? They're just lazy parents riding the coat tails of societies built on formal religous laws, thats right, the westerm world morals you believe in originated from christian and jewish beliefs. If you grew up an athiest in the middle east you would be very different than an athiest in the western world, why do you think that is? I'ld like to debate the morals taught by athieists but none of them have the courage to write it down and present it formally or publically so I guess we'll just have to listen to athiesst take cheap shots forever at the bible, koran and new testament. That would be one humorous document to read if someone actually did write down some of their moral beliefs, probably easier to pick apart than the bible, imagine a 'bible' produced by todays generation of athiest, I suspect the commandments would look like: 'Thow shall buy all the useless things you can for yourself with a credit card', 'thow shall glorify sex with multiple partners', 'thow shall not have a two parent family', 'thow shall glorify gangster and corporate ideals', 'thow shalt look out for yourself only'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 So when athietists parents do get around to actually indoctrinating their children with their own moral beliefs it's not religious brainwashing but a childs free choice, and when a christian or muslum does it is religious brainwashing? They're just lazy parents riding the coat tails of societies built on formal religous laws, thats right, the westerm world morals you believe in originated from christian and jewish beliefs. If you grew up an athiest in the middle east you would be very different than an athiest in the western world, why do you think that is? I'ld like to debate the morals taught by athieists but none of them have the courage to write it down and present it formally or publically so I guess we'll just have to listen to athiesst take cheap shots forever at the bible, koran and new testament. That would be one humorous document to read if someone actually did write down some of their moral beliefs, probably easier to pick apart than the bible, imagine a 'bible' produced by todays generation of athiest, I suspect the commandments would look like: 'Thow shall buy all the useless things you can for yourself with a credit card', 'thow shall glorify sex with multiple partners', 'thow shall not have a two parent family', 'thow shall glorify gangster and corporate ideals', 'thow shalt look out for yourself only'... Not bad, 8/10 , you need to troll harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 That and giving away all your stuff to the poor. Jesus the original socialist. While being a proponent of capitalism too...he must be the original social democrat... Matthew 25:14-30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Thats very similar to the message Jesus himself taught. Which is ironic... because If jesus showed up today the religious right slit his throat and toss his corpse in the gutter. Which of course, would be part of his ineffable plan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 While being a proponent of capitalism too...he must be the original social democrat... Not really. Today's social democrats base their policies on forcably taking other people's money/private property. Jesus wasn't about taking people's property. He also didn't have a high regard for tax collectors. In which the social democrats are BFFs with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 . He also didn't have a high regard for tax collectors. One of his disciples was a tax collector. And of course, he personally endorsed the paying of taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 One of his disciples was a tax collector. And of course, he personally endorsed the paying of taxes. I also endorse the paying of taxes. Since when does that make someone a socialist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyser Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 If you grew up an athiest in the middle east you would be very different than an athiest in the western world, why do you think that is? Cuz its really hot and sunny all the time? Theyd have better tans? Hmm...perhaps cutlture, food geography.....people are different in parts of Canada too. I'ld like to debate the morals taught by athieists but none of them have the courage to write it down and present it formally or publically so I guess we'll just have to listen to athiesst take cheap shots forever at the bible, koran and new testament. That would be one humorous document to read if someone actually did write down some of their moral beliefs, probably easier to pick apart than the bible, imagine a 'bible' produced by todays generation of athiest, I suspect the commandments would look like: 'Thow shall buy all the useless things you can for yourself with a credit card', 'thow shall glorify sex with multiple partners', 'thow shall not have a two parent family', 'thow shall glorify gangster and corporate ideals', 'thow shalt look out for yourself only'... Gosh, sounds just like the catholic church, especially the multiple partners part. And of course you are brilliant to notice that every mom and dad arew together in the church, no single parents anywhere to be found. (psst , were you serious with this, or just a Fun Rant Writing 101?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 He also didn't have a high regard for tax collectors. One of his disciples was a tax collector. And of course, he personally endorsed the paying of taxes. I also endorse the paying of taxes. Since when does that make someone a socialist? It was a responce to your comment about his regard for tax collectors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I imagine a bible produced by atheists would start like this Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, there was the cosmic singularity. Genesis 1:2 BANG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Squid Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I imagine a bible produced by atheists would start like this Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, there was the cosmic singularity. Genesis 1:2 BANG Bang isn't big enough... BANG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted December 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 It was a responce to your comment about his regard for tax collectors Cool. So you admit that endorsing paying taxes doesn't make one a socialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Cool. So you admit that endorsing paying taxes doesn't make one a socialist. I have never made a claim that way or another. I take it then with your responce that you admit that you're fond of putting words in other mouths because you are too inarticulate and leaden brained to form a coherent argument on your own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 So when athietists parents do get around to actually indoctrinating their children with their own moral beliefs it's not religious brainwashing but a childs free choice, and when a christian or muslum does it is religious brainwashing? They're just lazy parents riding the coat tails of societies built on formal religous laws, thats right, the westerm world morals you believe in originated from christian and jewish beliefs. If you grew up an athiest in the middle east you would be very different than an athiest in the western world, why do you think that is? And the pre-Christian societies, as well as those occurring congruous to it, have also effected morals and values. Or do you think Judeo-Christian beliefs occurred in a vacuum? Further, you yourself have been profoundly affected by secular/humanist values. Everybody has. Does that mean you're "riding the atheists' coattails"? I'ld like to debate the morals taught by athieists but none of them have the courage to write it down and present it formally or publically Either does christianity! As you know full well, it''s riddled with contradictions. All moral codes are, in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrueMetis Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 I imagine a bible produced by atheists would start like this Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, there was the cosmic singularity. Genesis 1:2 BANG Not to nitpick but it was an expansion not an explosion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Not to nitpick but it was an expansion not an explosion. Dog....matic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted December 17, 2010 Report Share Posted December 17, 2010 Not to nitpick but it was an expansion not an explosion. Neither the words expansion nor explosion do justice to the kinds of conditions that were present in the initial moments after the big bang. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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