Worst Moment of the Bush II Presidency

[Shady]

Courage is backing up your assertions or admitting you’re wrong, not pretending you provided a citation and calling the other person blind or illiterate for not seeing it.

But what am I suppose to do when an individual is too blind to notice?

[BubberMiley]

I don't think anyone is too blind to notice that you didn't provide any evidence to support your claim that waterboarding saved lives. That's as clear as day. The more you try to pull the wool over their eyes, the more you look like an idiot.

[Shady]

I don't think anyone is too blind to notice that you didn't provide any evidence to support your claim that waterboarding saved lives.

Page 3, post 41. Now stop wasting my time.

[guyser]

Page 3, post 41. Now stop wasting my time.

Dont waste ours, that link shows nothing.

[Shady]

Dont waste ours, that link shows nothing.

If by nothing you mean saved lives, then yes. If you don't, then you can take it up with that former CIA official. I'm sure you know much more than he does.

[guyser]

If by nothing you mean saved lives, then yes. If you don't, then you can take it up with that former CIA official. I'm sure you know much more than he does.

Here, I will slow down for you.

The link does not show any lives being saved, a whole lot of "reportedly" being bandied about, but certainly nothing to back your claim up.

[Shady]

Here, I will slow down for you.

The link does not show any lives being saved, a whole lot of "reportedly" being bandied about, but certainly nothing to back your claim up.

Sure. Because you know more than an ex-CIA official, who disagrees with the use of waterboarding, but admits that it saved lives.

Stop wasting my time.

[bush_cheney2004]

Sure. Because you know more than an ex-CIA official, who disagrees with the use of waterboarding, but admits that it saved lives.

Stop wasting my time.

Indeed...next they will tell us that killing terrorists doesn't save any lives either! LOL!

[guyser]

Sure. Because you know more than an ex-CIA official, who disagrees with the use of waterboarding, but admits that it saved lives.

Stop wasting my time.

From your link, the one you base your whole case on.

said Tuesday that the controversial interrogation technique of "waterboarding" has saved lives,....

reportedly gave up information that indirectly led to the the 2003 raid in Pakistan

You are free to show any of us how that saved lives .We can wait, comedy gold always takes time.

Silly silly boy, still licking your wounds.

Any women around?

[Shady]

said Tuesday that the controversial interrogation technique of "waterboarding" has saved lives,....

reportedly gave up information that indirectly led to the the 2003 raid in Pakistan

Thank you for making my point.

[BubberMiley]

Sure. Because you know more than an ex-CIA official, who disagrees with the use of waterboarding, but admits that it saved lives.

Stop wasting my time.

Sure. Because you know more than a former chief of interrogation in the Iraq war, who disagrees with the use of waterboarding and says that it cost American lives.

I guess if somebody's opinion is "proof", then there are all sorts of "proofs" out there.

Stop wasting my time.

[guyser]

Thank you for making my point.

still stuck on stupid I see.

IOW, you have no proof.

Thanks

[Shady]

Sure. Because you know more than a former chief of interrogation in the Iraq war, who disagrees with the use of waterboarding and says that it cost American lives.

I guess if somebody's opinion is "proof", then there are all sorts of "proofs" out there.

Stop wasting my time.

I see your blindness has been cured. Or you've finally learned how to read. You can apologize for your previous error anytime. I'm waiting.

[BubberMiley]

Sorry. I didn't realize you would be foolish enough to think somebody expressing an opinion was proof of anything.

I wonder how you reconcile my link of somebody expressing a contrary opinion.

I guess that proves you wrong.

[Shady]

Sorry. I didn't realize you would be foolish enough to think somebody expressing an opinion was proof of anything.

I wonder how you reconcile my link of somebody expressing a contrary opinion.

I guess that proves you wrong.

Sometimes my toes get sore from constantly kicking in your teeth.

The Central Intelligence Agency told CNSNews.com today that it stands by the assertion made in a May 30, 2005 Justice Department memo that the use of “enhanced techniques” of interrogation on al Qaeda leader Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) -- including the use of waterboarding -- caused KSM to reveal information that allowed the U.S. government to thwart a planned attack on Los Angeles.

Link

[GostHacked]

Yep. He's just another one of the many clueless Canadians. You'll notice he completely ducked my question. Sheep aren't known for their courage!

Speaking of clueless Canadians. How are you Shady? !!!

Still waiting for this so called evidence. If you had it, you would be the first to post/quote it and say it's the gospel. But since we have to look for it ... Nope no WMDs here... perhaps over there ... nope still no WMDs here ......

[DogOnPorch]

[Jack Weber]

Now clueless Professor Kitzel is claiming he's 'kicking in peoples teeth" in an arguement he's losing...Again!!!

He tried this same tactic with me a few months ago after I made him look like a complete fool,just like you guys are...

The term "hopeless imbecile" is an insult to hopeless imbecile's everywhere when trying to describe our good professor...

He's like the Baghdad Bob of the board....When all else fails(and it always does) claim supreme victory!!!

[BubberMiley]

Sometimes my toes get sore from constantly kicking in your teeth.

An article on a right-wing website that doesn't even name its sources? "The CIA" told them this, but they won't elaborate on who in "the CIA" they were talking to or in what context? This is your proof?

Meanwhile, my link had an Iraqi interrogator (who gave his name) who felt the waterboarding policy provoked anti-American violence.

I think my teeth remain perfectly intact.

[Shady]

Now clueless Professor Kitzel is claiming he's 'kicking in peoples teeth" in an arguement he's losing...Again!!!

He tried this same tactic with me a few months ago after I made him look like a complete fool,just like you guys are...

The term "hopeless imbecile" is an insult to hopeless imbecile's everywhere when trying to describe our good professor...

He's like the Baghdad Bob of the board....When all else fails(and it always does) claim supreme victory!!!

Jack, if you wanna ignore references I've posted, from mainstream news organization, all so you can claim some victory, be my guest. But at the very least, stop ducking my previous question of you. How am I a sell out? A sell out of what? Stop running Jack.

[Shady]

An article on a right-wing website that doesn't even name its sources? "The CIA" told them this, but they won't elaborate on who in "the CIA" they were talking to or in what context? This is your proof?

Meanwhile, my link had an Iraqi interrogator (who gave his name) who felt the waterboarding policy provoked anti-American violence.

I think my teeth remain perfectly intact.

It's not about provoking anti-American violence. Don't start moving the goal posts like you're famous for. I simply stated that waterboarding had been successful in obtaining information from terrorists, which had then been used to stop attacks and save lives. That's not even debatable. It's fact. I linked to CNN. That's not a right-wing website. In other words, you have no teeth left.

[Shady]

Consider the Justice Department memo of May 30, 2005. It notes that "the CIA believes 'the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qaeda has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.' . . . In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including [Khalid Sheik Mohammed] and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques." The memo continues: "Before the CIA used enhanced techniques . . . KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, 'Soon you will find out.' " Once the techniques were applied, "interrogations have led to specific, actionable intelligence, as well as a general increase in the amount of intelligence regarding al Qaeda and its affiliates."

Specifically, interrogation with enhanced techniques "led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the 'Second Wave,' 'to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into' a building in Los Angeles." KSM later acknowledged before a military commission at Guantanamo Bay that the target was the Library Tower, the tallest building on the West Coast. The memo explains that "information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the 'Second Wave.' " In other words, without enhanced interrogations, there could be a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York.

Washington Post

[Jack Weber]

Jack, if you wanna ignore references I've posted, from mainstream news organization, all so you can claim some victory, be my guest. But at the very least, stop ducking my previous question of you. How am I a sell out? A sell out of what? Stop running Jack.

"Stop running Jack"

Says the "Canadian" who has posted 5997 times on this board...3773 times on US politics...

And is the self proclaimed "Most Outstanding Poster" award winner three years running...

Not runing at all,Professor Kitzel...You're sell out/wannabe status is self evident!

As is your unmitigated cluelessness...

Edited November 5, 2010 by Jack Weber

[Shady]

Abu Zubayda lasted a little longer, said Kiriakou, but not much.

The former agent, who said he participated in the Abu Zubayda interrogation but not his waterboarding, said the CIA decided to waterboard the al Qaeda operative only after he was "wholly uncooperative" for weeks and refused to answer questions.

All that changed -- and Zubayda reportedly had a divine revelation -- after 30 to 35 seconds of waterboarding, Kiriakou said he learned from the CIA agents who performed the technique.

The terror suspect, who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, reportedly gave up information that indirectly led to the the 2003 raid in Pakistan yielding the arrest of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, an alleged planner of the September 11, 2001, attacks, Kiriakou said.

The CIA was unaware of Mohammed's stature before the Abu Zubayda interrogation, the former agent said.

CNN

[GostHacked]

Another one of his idiotic moments was this..

http://uswgo.com/al-qaeda-mastermind-invited-to-pentagon-after-911.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/

Anwar Al-Awlaki may be the first American on the CIA's kill or capture list, but he was also a lunch guest of military brass at the Pentagon within months of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, Fox News has learned.

Documents exclusively obtained by Fox News, including an FBI interview conducted after the Fort Hood shooting in November 2009, state that Awlaki was taken to the Pentagon as part of the military’s outreach to the Muslim community in the immediate aftermath of the attacks.

This is the guy that is suposed to be behind the recent printer cartridge bombings, and the Christmas underwear bomber stunt. This is also the guy who trained the people that were behind the Yemen bombing attempts. The ones he trained were former GITMO detainees who were released back to Yemen.

http://www.latimes.com/sc-dc-1102-yemen-bomb-20101101,0,1920859.story