Jump to content

capital punishment


PIK

Recommended Posts

  • Replies 166
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Thoughts?

While many here will agree that thinking isn't my most obviously stand-out quality, I oppose the idea for three reasons (two of which are, I think, closely related):

1. The profound possibility of an error that can never be taken back, resulting in, literally, the worst injustice that can befall a person at the hand of the State;

2. It is the ultimate in statism and statist thought, giving the country (or a province, depending on how jurisdiction issues would work out) too much power. There is no bigger government than that which can put its citizens to death;

3. Killing a human being when not justified by necessity is a moral wrong, apart from what this person himself has committed.

Edited by bloodyminded
Link to comment
Share on other sites

If life in prison really meant life in prison, the issue would never come up again. Look at Russell Williams - everyone seems to agree that he's a monster.......yet his sentence was two concurrent "life" terms. That means he is eligible for parole after 25 years. Whether he gets parole or not is another question - the fact is he could be out in 25 years. When will life in prison mean life in prison?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

If life in prison really meant life in prison, the issue would never come up again. Look at Russell Williams - everyone seems to agree that he's a monster.......yet his sentence was two concurrent "life" terms. That means he is eligible for parole after 25 years. Whether he gets parole or not is another question - the fact is he could be out in 25 years. When will life in prison mean life in prison?

And how many people deserve that sentence?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Too many innocent men would be dead and/or scheduled to die.

No more, no less.

Which is rare but yes it does happen, that is where you just have to be sure like williams bernardo and olsen. But what about the 367 innocent people that have been murdered by people let out on parole since ''71''. Edited by PIK
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Which is rare but yes it does happen, that is where you just have to be sure like williams bernardo and olsen. But what about the 367 innocent people that have been murdered by people let out on parole since ''71''.

Most of those people obviously didn't get 25 to life, weren't declared dangerous offenders, and wouldn't have been given the death penalty anyway...because they wouldn't have been eligible in all likelihood.

Edited by Smallc
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Which is rare but yes it does happen, that is where you just have to be sure like williams bernardo and olsen. But what about the 367 innocent people that have been murdered by people let out on parole since ''71''.

rather one go free than hang one innocent.

The parole angle is another argument.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

How does it solve any problem, that life imprisonment doesn't already solve.

True. One of the main problems with capital punishment as an actual punishment is that it does nothing to make the criminal pay back his debt to society. It's far better to have a killer serve life in jail and work his nails to the bone on behalf of the state (ie: digging ditches all day etc.) to pay back some of his debt. Killing him solves nothing, and if the criminal is doing tedious manual labour every day & has a cell with few luxuries he/she would probably rather be dead.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Those people obviously didn't get 25 to life, weren't declared dangerous offenders, and wouldn't have been given the death penalty anyway.

That is something we don't know.Dangerous offender declaration was not around back in the day, and look they would not nail williams with that. Edited by PIK
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Thoughts?

I think everyone can agree that, if anyone does deserve to die it would be a child rapist and murderer. The scum of the earth. THe lowest of the low.

So here is a man that would be dead:

Wrongfully convicted man gets $4.25M from Ont.

William Mullins-Johnson spent 12 years in prison after he was convicted in 1994 on evidence from the doctor that suggested he had raped and strangled his niece, Valin.

Mullins-Johnson was exonerated by the Ontario Court of Appeal in October 2007 after it was determined the child died from natural causes.

In overturning Mullins-Johnson's conviction, the court found there was no evidence he was guilty of any crime.

Bentley apologized to Mullins-Johnson for a "miscarriage of justice."

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/10/21/toronto-smith-pathologist-mullins-johnson.html#ixzz131v7b13a

My biggest concern with the death penalty is how would a dead man spend his $4.25 million for being wrongfully convicted? Apparently you can't take it with you.... at least that's what I've been led to believe. Any pro-death penalty people have a solution to this?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That is something we don't know.Dangerous offender declaration was not around back in the day, and look they would not nail williams with that.

Williams was charged with two counts of first degree murder, and so was not eligible for that status. He will most likely never be let out of prison anyway, given the details that the parole board will be reminded of at every opportunity.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Tell a friend

    Love Repolitics.com - Political Discussion Forums? Tell a friend!
  • Member Statistics

    • Total Members
      10,723
    • Most Online
      1,403

    Newest Member
    DACHSHUND
    Joined
  • Recent Achievements

    • babetteteets went up a rank
      Rookie
    • paradox34 went up a rank
      Apprentice
    • paradox34 earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • phoenyx75 earned a badge
      First Post
    • paradox34 earned a badge
      Dedicated
  • Recently Browsing

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...