Shady Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Obama should not being trying to build bipartisian bridges, he should have just pushed the agenda through. He did try to push his agenda through. The problem he ran into was Democrats from his own party. The less liberal Democrats didn't support what he was doing. The bipartisan vote was against much of his policies. Democrats had huge majorities in both houses. They had 60 votes in the Senate, enough to break any filibusters. But again, they couldn't get all Democrats to side with their radical agenda. Because their constituents didn't approve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 see record GOP filibusters... see the most obstructionist GOP party of 'NO' Democrats had 60 votes in the Senate. Enough to break any filibusters. Your excuses ring hollow. Obama was stopped by fellow Democrats joining Republicans to block his agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Obama and the democrats only have themselves to blame, if their policies were so good they failed to articulate that. I'm sure if they are decimated today it will be Fox and everyone elses's fault including Bush.. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Election news! In a noon email alert to supporters, Coons campaign manager Christy Gleason said close monitoring of voter turnout in the state’s 41 representative districts showed “lower turnout in New Castle and Kent counties than we’re comfortable with.”Link This could be interesting. I guess it might explain why Biden and Obama were in Delaware recently campaiging. Biden got a whole 200 people to his event. O'Donnell had over 1,000 at hers. On a seperate note, apparently Harry Reid's gaming goons have been pressuring casino workers to vote for Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I wonder if there will be any problems over the voting machines again? Hannity and Rush among other Conservatives have been screaming loud and hard about the White House, may be the Dems should do is, say ok, take over the senate and the congress and we'll throw in the WH and you guys run and country. Keep Bush's tax cuts and even do more and get us into another war and really up the trillions of debt! Then we'll see how loud the tea party can scream, all because they wanted change. The US is in a ugly financial mess and the US will probably worthless sooner than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I wonder if there will be any problems over the voting machines again? Hannity and Rush among other Conservatives have been screaming loud and hard about the White House, may be the Dems should do is, say ok, take over the senate and the congress and we'll throw in the WH and you guys run and country. Keep Bush's tax cuts and even do more and get us into another war and really up the trillions of debt! Then we'll see how loud the tea party can scream, all because they wanted change. The US is in a ugly financial mess and the US will probably worthless sooner than later. There has been quite a bit of talk about it on ... sorry Fox News. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/02/missouri-voter-registration-glitch-leads-voter-delays/ http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/02/minnesota-gop-reports-unacceptable-problems-counting-machines/ CNN does not seem to have many stories, I saw one on there today, and now it's buried. What are your thoughts of online internet voting? Like voting from home on your computer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 I wonder if there will be any problems over the voting machines again? Hannity and Rush among other Conservatives have been screaming loud and hard about the White House, may be the Dems should do is, say ok, take over the senate and the congress and we'll throw in the WH and you guys run and country. There are always problems with voting machines....or paper ballots. There are always undervotes, overvotes, spoiled ballots, rejected absentee ballots, miscounts, lost ballots, wonky provisional ballots, and outright voter fraud. Keep Bush's tax cuts and even do more and get us into another war and really up the trillions of debt! Then we'll see how loud the tea party can scream, all because they wanted change. The US is in a ugly financial mess and the US will probably worthless sooner than later. Don't worry...it is not the end of the world. I voted today and it was quite routine.....the USA will survive at least another day if only for your continued entertainment in Canada. PS. When do you get to vote again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Exit polling looks pretty bad for Dems. Also, apparently Russ Feingold is gone. he will be defeated by Republican Ron Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 There are always problems with voting machines....or paper ballots. There are always undervotes, overvotes, spoiled ballots, rejected absentee ballots, miscounts, lost ballots, wonky provisional ballots, and outright voter fraud. Still, the Diebold fiasco indicated that newer voting technologies are definitely not ready for prime time. Of course, the 2000 Florida example indicates that maybe even the older ones are not. But the whole conspiracy thing bothered me because in all these cases, it seemed pointless to attribute to malice what was so easily attributable to the sheer incompetence of those designing the ballots and/or voting machines and the politicians who were so eager to embrace with so little regard for actually assuring that things would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Looks to me like loses in the house in the mid-50s ouch although not out of the norm. Reagan lost 30 when there was 100 less seats his first midterms, and Clinton lost 50 when there was 100 less seats. So it isn't 1995 but it aint great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Still, the Diebold fiasco indicated that newer voting technologies are definitely not ready for prime time. Of course, the 2000 Florida example indicates that maybe even the older ones are not. But the whole conspiracy thing bothered me.... I have never understood why some people hold the nuts and bolts of the actual voting process to a much higher standard than is possible or even necessary. Close races automatically trigger recounts and closer scrutiny according to law. Richard Nixon could have pitched a fit in 1960, but thought better of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Looks to me like loses in the house in the mid-50s ouch although not out of the norm. Reagan lost 30 when there was 100 less seats his first midterms, and Clinton lost 50 when there was 100 less seats. So it isn't 1995 but it aint great. American voters have exercised their rights and US Congress will be seated in January according to the outcome. What's so bad about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 American voters have exercised their rights and US Congress will be seated in January according to the outcome. What's so bad about that? I meant for the Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Why on earth is the CBC devoting a whole evening to american mid term election? This is worse than the world series pre-empting regular programming... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Why on earth is the CBC devoting a whole evening to american mid term election? What the.....? http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/10/27/f-america-votes-2010.html This is worse than the world series pre-empting regular programming... Can you get NetFlix in Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 What the.....? http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/10/27/f-america-votes-2010.html Can you get NetFlix in Canada? Only streaming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 (edited) Just a reminder of what was said two years ago: ...The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep. We may not get there in one year or even one term... ...You did it because you understand the enormity of the task that lies ahead. For even as we celebrate tonight, we know the challenges that tomorrow will bring are the greatest of our lifetime - two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial crisis in a century. ......There will be setbacks and false starts. There are many who won't agree with every decision or policy I make as President, and we know that government can't solve every problem. But I will always be honest with you about the challenges we face. I will listen to you, especially when we disagree. People are so short sighted. They think that eight years of destruction can be fixed in two years. Edited November 3, 2010 by daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 ....People are so short sighted. They think that eight years of destruction can be fixed in two years. Which people? Unlike Canada, there is no self appointed "natural ruling party" in the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 ..... So while Republicans will do amazing it will be viewed as a loss when they only win the house if that. Errrr...no....it is not being viewed as a loss where it counts...in the United States. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 So, now that the Reps are in, and Shady, OMG was right. Will we see any more progress with health care and the like? Are we going to see a change in how the country is run? Will the budget and spending change? What costs are going up, what taxes are going up, and what cost/taxes are going down? Or are we now going to see the opposite. Where the Reps bring things to the table and the Dems stonewall, resulting in no reasonable net changes/progress. This trend should continue. And 4 years down the road with the next mid terms (and possibly with a new president) there won't be progress, you will actually notice that it is going backwards and not forwards. Essentially, what happens in the US can and sometimes does end up affecting us here in Canada. Our economic and political ties to the US shows at least that much is true. It's like a template for what will go wrong here, and possibly other countries. Like Wiggum said as his tie is getting sucked into the hot dog machine, 'This is gonna get worse before it gets better'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 So, now that the Reps are in, and Shady, OMG was right. Will we see any more progress with health care and the like? Are we going to see a change in how the country is run? Will the budget and spending change? What costs are going up, what taxes are going up, and what cost/taxes are going down? Probably not, but you are spot on....Shady hit it out of the park. Or are we now going to see the opposite. Where the Reps bring things to the table and the Dems stonewall, resulting in no reasonable net changes/progress. This trend should continue. And 4 years down the road with the next mid terms (and possibly with a new president) there won't be progress, you will actually notice that it is going backwards and not forwards. Correct....that is how it was designed. Essentially, what happens in the US can and sometimes does end up affecting us here in Canada. Our economic and political ties to the US shows at least that much is true. It's like a template for what will go wrong here, and possibly other countries. Canada ultimately makes choices for Canada....including the choice to be so influenced. Closing the border is not really an option until there are other options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 Probably not, but you are spot on....Shady hit it out of the park. Well, with so many posts, he is bound to be correct at least once. Correct....that is how it was designed. And it's welcomed by everyone south of the 49th. With very little understanding of what it means for them. Actually most countries are facing this. A vrs B, without knowing what A or B stands for. We listen to the rhetoric and think that there is something of value in what they say. And in the majority of cases, officials say they will be for change, but their actions support and maintain the status quo. Something is seriously wrong with all our governments. Those in power are doing the classic divide and conquer. We are divided and sub-divided, until we all are in our own categories. The powers that be do this to keep us in check and distracted. This is why the looking glass is on us and not the other way around. We let it happen, because of all the other nice distractions we have in life. 30 years later this rings more true than ever. Canada ultimately makes choices for Canada....including the choice to be so influenced. Closing the border is not really an option until there are other options. Actually this is no longer true. Our governments together are making the choices. And soon there will be no borders. The European Union is a blueprint for other geographical, and geo-political Unions that will happen around the world. Our current borders won't really mean anything, they will cease to exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 The question may be "how mad are we ?" and "how do we know ?". Unfortunately, the same media that many of us blame for misrepresenting politics does could be seen as misrepresenting how we feel. Certainly, it seems that outrage is profitable, and as such there's always more outrage coming... But are they close to revolt ? Secession ? It sure doesn't seem like that to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 The question may be "how mad are we ?" and "how do we know ?". Unfortunately, the same media that many of us blame for misrepresenting politics does could be seen as misrepresenting how we feel. That is definitely something to think about, and something to be aware of when we watch these infotainment channels. Certainly, it seems that outrage is profitable, and as such there's always more outrage coming... The outrage seems to be a form of transgression in a way. Because instead of getting mad at those who are pulling all the strings behind the scenes, we are getting mad at the person manning the counter at the store. But are they close to revolt ? Secession ?It sure doesn't seem like that to me. I really do not have an answer for that. But I am leaning towards the no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 ...Actually this is no longer true. Our governments together are making the choices. And soon there will be no borders. The European Union is a blueprint for other geographical, and geo-political Unions that will happen around the world. Our current borders won't really mean anything, they will cease to exist. Again..this is your choice or belief....not mine. The USA will violently reject any such notion...it's in our DNA....starting with a certain king. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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