Chrisitne O'donnell wins Delaware

[Jack Weber]

Most Democrats don't occupy the center, they occupy the far left. That's why senate seats in Wisconsin, Washington, California, Illinois and Connecticut are all up for grabs, and could all be Republican pick ups.

Maybe so,but if they only sound relatively reasonable in the face of frothing right wing invective,that's all the independent voter has to hear to run away from the frothing spewer of the right wing invective...

[Shady]

They reduced eligibility for welfare, and eliminated programs. I see that as a cut ?

The social safety net has never been larger. Your premise just doesn't jive with reality. I'm sorry.

Record number in government anti-poverty programs

WASHINGTON — Government anti-poverty programs that have grown to meet the needs of recession victims now serve a record one in six Americans and are continuing to expand.

Caseloads have risen as more people become eligible. The economic stimulus law signed by President Obama last year also boosted benefits.

The steady climb in safety-net program caseloads and costs has come as a result of two factors: The recession has boosted the number who qualify under existing rules. And the White House, Congress and states have expanded eligibility and benefits.

USA Today

Also, have you not noticed that EI has been continuously extended for 99 weeks, several times over the last couple of years.

But yes, prior to the recession, in particular during the 90's, some programs were curtailed, which SHOULD happend during really good economic times. When times get tougher, you can expand them. You don't keep them expanded no matter what, even during boom times. It's common sense.

[Shady]

Maybe so,but if they only sound relatively reasonable in the face of frothing right wing invective,

I agree. However, it depends what you mean by so-called frothing right-wing invective. Christine O'Donnell is hardly a frothing candidate. She has a very pleasant demeanor. You can disagree with her on issues. But she hardly qualifies as preaching frothing invective.

[Black Dog]

I would have a much easier time not laughing outright at any of these nutters' claims to be against "big government" if a single one would advocate for cutting the biggest welfare program of al: defense spending.

[Shady]

I would have a much easier time not laughing outright at any of these nutters' claims to be against "big government" if a single one would advocate for cutting the biggest welfare program of al: defense spending.

Actually that's not the biggest welfare program. But I do agree it should be cut, at least a little.

[ToadBrother]

Either way, the further the Republican Party moves away from the moderates, the easier they make it for Democrats.

I have this theory that the Tea Party was created by Democrats. Just when the Evangelical Right's influence on the GOP was waning, suddenly the Tea Party rises out of nowhere.

Have you ever seen Glenn Beck and President Obama in the same room? I thought not...

[ToadBrother]

This is precisely the point.Last night they were saying that this might be good for the Tea Party folks,but not for the Republican Party,in general.In fact,she's probably a lost cause for them in general election...Beyond that,the farther the Republicans go to the Right,the better chance of them marginalizing themselves in a general election.It basically allows the Democrats to run in the Centre and simply sound reasonable.The other stuff about her that will be problematic are the financial shenanigans about huge personal debt and not paying employees while using funding a campaign...

Listening to some of the Tea Baggers, Charles Manson starts to sound reasonable.

Most Tea Partiers are just angry, but some are downright nuts, and the GOP's failing has been in not managing the whole damned thing. All that's needed for the Democrats to increase their fortunes this NOvember is for more of these Teabagger nutjobs. I'm sure Obama and Pelosi pray to whatever dark and evil gods they worship every night that Rand Paul is genetically cloned thirty or forty times over and popped in to strategic moderate Republican districts. At that point, the Dems could could get Karl Marx elected.

[Shady]

that Rand Paul is genetically cloned thirty or forty times over and popped in to strategic moderate Republican districts.

You mean the Rand Paul that's ahead by 10 points? Anyways, the primaries are over. So your strategy of placing Rand Paul type candidates in moderate districts isn't viable.

Christine O'Donnell raised $500,000 dollars today! Their goal is now $750,000! The Democrats are gonna rue the day this election became national!

O'Donnell2010

[ToadBrother]

You mean the Rand Paul that's ahead by 10 points? Anyways, the primaries are over. So your strategy of placing Rand Paul type candidates in moderate districts isn't viable.

Christine O'Donnell raised $500,000 dollars today! Their goal is now $750,000! The Democrats are gonna rue the day this election became national!

O'Donnell2010

And the American people, if they vote for these crackpots, will rue the day they ever heard the phrase "Tea Party". There is no group more detached from reality, more selfish and more fundamentally stupid and self-deluded than a Libertarian.

[Shady]

There is no group more detached from reality, more selfish and more fundamentally stupid and self-deluded than a Libertarian.

I would say that's more true of some of the far-left members of congress. Regardless, most of these particular candidates aren't libertarians, they're conservatives.

[Jack Weber]

Listening to some of the Tea Baggers, Charles Manson starts to sound reasonable.

Most Tea Partiers are just angry, but some are downright nuts, and the GOP's failing has been in not managing the whole damned thing. All that's needed for the Democrats to increase their fortunes this NOvember is for more of these Teabagger nutjobs. I'm sure Obama and Pelosi pray to whatever dark and evil gods they worship every night that Rand Paul is genetically cloned thirty or forty times over and popped in to strategic moderate Republican districts. At that point, the Dems could could get Karl Marx elected.

Last night Bill Maher made a great point on Larry King.He said that the Republican Presidential race for '12 will be extremely interesting.Not because any of the potential candidates are particularily good on the whole,but because it's going to be spectacular comedy watching them try to out firebreathe each other!!!

The best thing for the Democratic party in '12 is to have a whole whack of Tea Party folks get elected this fall.Give these right wing kooks 2 years to expose themselves and any sane person either slightly on the right or slightly on the left,or a whole raft of independents,are going to get as far away from these ideological nutters as fast as possible.By the way,I'm saying that's a good thing,but it will serve the Republican Party right for courting these dilly bars and passing most of them of as legitimate.And it will only serve to marginalize the political right in the US furthere into what amounts to being a rural,backwater party.History of this type is prescient here...The Whig Party basically died in the mid 1800's because it became so insular it no longer represented anything that most people could get their heads around,and essentially self immolated because of it...

[Jack Weber]

And the American people, if they vote for these crackpots, will rue the day they ever heard the phrase "Tea Party". There is no group more detached from reality, more selfish and more fundamentally stupid and self-deluded than a Libertarian.

Spot on....

[punked]

Rove says she is crazy. That is when I know they are off the deep end.

Edited September 16, 2010 by punked

[punked]

They have a clip of her on MTV saying masturbation and looking at porn means you go to hell and you are a bad person. HAHAHAHA crazy crazy crazy lady.

I AM GOING TO THE SENATE TO STOP THE MASTURBATORS!!!! HAhahahaha

Seriously you have to watch this not because of who she is, it is so funny all on its own.

Edited September 16, 2010 by punked

[BubberMiley]

Seriously you have to watch this not because of who she is, it is so funny all on its own.

I know people who have become addicted to masturbation. It's not all fun and games. It's true that it should be banned.

[Jack Weber]

I know people who have become addicted to masturbation. It's not all fun and games. It's true that it should be banned.

Well....Leaving aside the old adage about 90% of men doing it and the other 10% are lying about not doing it...

Are you trying to say that we need to be more considerate to the emotional needs of those that compulsively masturbate???

And that somehow there should legislation to stop this???

What do you propose...Anti-Masturbation camera's??Anti-Masturbation snitch hotlines???Anti-Masturbation neighbourhood watch?

Edited September 16, 2010 by Jack Weber

[capricorn]

And that somehow this should be banned???

Bubber's a socialist. He'd ban his mother if he could. And if he did ban her, he could move out of the basement and occupy the whole house.

[Jack Weber]

They have a clip of her on MTV saying masturbation and looking at porn means you go to hell and you are a bad person. HAHAHAHA crazy crazy crazy lady.

I AM GOING TO THE SENATE TO STOP THE MASTURBATORS!!!! HAhahahaha

Seriously you have to watch this not because of who she is, it is so funny all on its own.

The elevator is not going to the top floor with that chick...

[Michael Hardner]

The social safety net has never been larger. Your premise just doesn't jive with reality. I'm sorry.

Also, have you not noticed that EI has been continuously extended for 99 weeks, several times over the last couple of years.

But yes, prior to the recession, in particular during the 90's, some programs were curtailed, which SHOULD happend during really good economic times. When times get tougher, you can expand them. You don't keep them expanded no matter what, even during boom times. It's common sense.

They don't extend welfare during tough times do they ? They extend EI, sure, and there are more people on social assistance, likely, because of the recession. The cuts in the 1990s were things like time-based cutoffs to people who were on welfare for years. I don't remember hearing that those were extended again.

[bud]

christine o'donnell is against masturbation. in fact, she equates it to adultery. this will be news to pre-teen boys who are discovering that their penises have more than one function.

i don't think the majority of the tea party supporters actually get what the movement is supposed to be about. they've picked sarah palin's retarded sister. but then you look at the other choice: a prototype republican. an old man who is probably happy that he can finally retire from the spotlight and enjoy the millions he has collected during his reign.

i bet ron paul didn't think there would be this many less than average people supporting the tea party.

[Michael Hardner]

i bet ron paul didn't think there would be this many less than average people supporting the tea party.

What does "less than average" mean here ?

[BubberMiley]

What do you propose...Anti-Masturbation camera's??Anti-Masturbation snitch hotlines???Anti-Masturbation neighbourhood watch?

No, I was just joking, and I think winky smiley-faces are a cop-out.

[Pliny]

Wow!

Glad to see the left become so energized.

As for Karl Rove, "The Architect", he is a Republican political strategist, let's see how good of a strategist he is or can he just get "moderate" republicans elected. Let's see him really test his skills.

Christine O'Donnell can think whatever she wants to about masturbation and pornography. If she statrs making laws about her opinions then she is a Conservative. If she doesn't then she is more Libertarian.

That's the big difference between Conservatism and Libertarianism. I can believe whatever I want, as a Libertarian, but I can't force my beliefs and opinions on others through law.

Michael Hardner: Libertarian style government means, to my mind, you will pay for unchecked social problems in other ways, far more expensive ways, further on down the road.

What are "unchecked" social problems? Smoking pot? Not saving for retirement? Eating at MacDonald's? Owning guns? To some these are all social problems that need to be checked and the list is growing. Real social problems, such as racism, or ill-treatment of the disadvantaged, minorities, etc. are dealt with by simply extending the right of all to the sanctity of person and property.

Toadbrother: The whole thing is a Democrat wet dream. Instead of a lot of moderate Republicans in key northern states, they'll have a bunch of foaming-at-the-mouth Libertarian ideologues. The Republicans seem to have forgotten the first rule of Libertarians, you use them and discard them, you never ever actually let them anywhere near the reigns of power.

A typical unthinking response and expression of how people in general should be "used" and abused.

Toadbrother:She's a Libertarian. I doubt she has feelings of any particular human kind. More like some sort of solitary insect's emotions.

He/she's a Conservative, not a Libertarian. This comment is in keeping with your opinion of people in general. Liberal or Conservative or Libertarian is not relevant only your disagreement.

Michael Hardner:Looking at the deterioration of social conditions since the US started cutting benefits, it's hard to imagine what could come out of a victory by the libertarians. America would become a fortress of depressing magnitude.

Looking at the deterioration of social conditions when they started giving benefits, it's easy to imagine what could come out of a classical liberal victory. More countries would be emulating that model rather than the socialist democracies some in the US are now trying to copy.

nicky the number: Either way, the further the Republican Party moves away from the moderates, the easier they make it for Democrats.

Moderates may as well be Democrats. A good distance should be kept.

In the past principles have been eroded and as you have mentioned before there really is no difference between Dems and Repubs. The differences are now being defined and "progressive" or moderate republicans are being rejected.

What you are saying is perhaps true. It may make it easier for Democrats. Good! Let's make sure there is a difference between Republicans and Democrats.

waldo:character deficient Karl Rove - "The Architect" - questions Christine O'Donnell's 'serious character problems'... eatin one of their own!

Another great day! Have a good one, waldo!

[Shady]

Wow!

Glad to see the left become so energized.

Yep. Attacking people like O'Donnell is easier than explaining and running on their own failed policies over the last 2 years, and 4 years for the Democrat controlled congress. Let's not forget that before Reid and Pelosi became leaders, unemployment was at 5.5%.

[Michael Hardner]

What are "unchecked" social problems? Smoking pot? Not saving for retirement? Eating at MacDonald's? Owning guns? To some these are all social problems that need to be checked and the list is growing. Real social problems, such as racism, or ill-treatment of the disadvantaged, minorities, etc. are dealt with by simply extending the right of all to the sanctity of person and property.

Social problems such as pervasive poverty, rampant crime and related problems.

Real social problems are dealth with by extending the right of all to sanctity of person and poverty ?

I believe that applying resources to social problems can produce results. You believe that doing nothing is a better approach.