AFRAID - OF ISLAM?

[Oleg Bach]

Looks like the terrorists have finally won. America and the rest of the world is terrified of offending Islam..the Iman in New York knows we are terrified - and he most certainly threatens a backlash of violence from the so-called Islamic "extremists" (which is all of them)

I have had private conversations with Islamics..they tell me they are here to take over and displace Christondom - and all other off shoots of ancient Judean tradion.. So here we are all poltically correct and tolerant of the up-coming fact of being screwed in the ass by Islam..in time I guess we will all be prostrate and bending over sniffing the other guys ass in submission to this ultra from of socialism...of facism - everything we have fought for for 2000 years is now about to be forfeit by some lieing weasils that are "tolerant" "welspoken" and not "extreme" - BULLSHIT!

We must stand our ground and protect our home - our traditions - ourselves - and fight hard against these imposters who are all infidels who say "god is great" Yet they murder in the name of God - and in doing so are saying god is not great and needs the help of a muslim fanatic to do the killing of the non-compliant..

SHAME ON AMERICA AND THE PHAGOTIZED STATE OF AFFAIRS ------------------ARE WE NOT MEN?

[Bonam]

There is no "our faith". We are not the civilization of Christendom, not any more. The cultural conflict, to the extent that one exists, is between religious fanaticism and secularism. The only thing better about Christianity than Islam is that a substantially smaller proportion of its followers are willing to commit violence to achieve their religious ends. That is, Christianity has mostly been tamed and made compatible with a secular civilization.

You are definitely right that we need to "stand our ground and protect our home - our traditions - ourselves - and fight hard against these imposters who are all infidels who say "god is great" Yet they murder in the name of God". However, the ground we need to stand, the home we need to protect, and the traditions we need to preserve are not those of Christianity, but those of freedom and democracy.

[eyeball]

There is no "our faith". We are not the civilization of Christendom, not any more. The cultural conflict, to the extent that one exists, is between religious fanaticism and secularism.

No it isn't. Islamic religious fanaticism is a reaction to our being the civilization of economic domination and the apostate rulers we've propped up to help achieve that.

The only thing better about Christianity than Islam is that a substantially smaller proportion of its followers are willing to commit violence to achieve their religious ends. That is, Christianity has mostly been tamed and made compatible with a secular civilization.

You are definitely right that we need to "stand our ground and protect our home - our traditions - ourselves - and fight hard against these imposters who are all infidels who say "god is great" Yet they murder in the name of God". However, the ground we need to stand, the home we need to protect, and the traditions we need to preserve are not those of Christianity, but those of freedom and democracy.

Which we've tried to achieve by propping up some really nasty bloodthirsty murderous regimes. There is no difference between murdering in the name of God or freedom and democracy.

Christianity notwithstanding, there seems to be no shortage of followers of freedom and democracy who are willing to commit violence to achieve their economic ends. I guess it's just a quirky irony that many of these also call themselves Christians.

[wyly]

No it isn't. Islamic religious fanaticism is a reaction to our being the civilization of economic domination and the apostate rulers we've propped up to help achieve that.

Which we've tried to achieve by propping up some really nasty bloodthirsty murderous regimes. There is no difference between murdering in the name of God or freedom and democracy.

Christianity notwithstanding, there seems to be no shortage of followers of freedom and democracy who are willing to commit violence to achieve their economic ends. I guess it's just a quirky irony that many of these also call themselves Christians.

which is why I'm all in favour of banishing any reference to sky gods from government and all public life...I don't need any religious fanatics fucking up my country/life mulsim or christian or anything else...pray to the tree nome or the easter bunny for all I care just leave the rest of us alone to live our lives as we want...

[dre]

Looks like the terrorists have finally won. America and the rest of the world is terrified of offending Islam..the Iman in New York knows we are terrified - and he most certainly threatens a backlash of violence from the so-called Islamic "extremists" (which is all of them)

I have had private conversations with Islamics..they tell me they are here to take over and displace Christondom - and all other off shoots of ancient Judean tradion.. So here we are all poltically correct and tolerant of the up-coming fact of being screwed in the ass by Islam..in time I guess we will all be prostrate and bending over sniffing the other guys ass in submission to this ultra from of socialism...of facism - everything we have fought for for 2000 years is now about to be forfeit by some lieing weasils that are "tolerant" "welspoken" and not "extreme" - BULLSHIT!

We must stand our ground and protect our home - our traditions - ourselves - and fight hard against these imposters who are all infidels who say "god is great" Yet they murder in the name of God - and in doing so are saying god is not great and needs the help of a muslim fanatic to do the killing of the non-compliant..

SHAME ON AMERICA AND THE PHAGOTIZED STATE OF AFFAIRS ------------------ARE WE NOT MEN?

Hittin the sauce early today huh?

[Moonlight Graham]

...the Iman in New York knows we are terrified - and he most certainly threatens a backlash of violence from the so-called Islamic "extremists" (which is all of them)

1) If you're referring to his CNN interview with the Imam, he didn't "threaten" anything.

2) So you're saying all 1.5 billion Muslims in the world are "extremists"? That's 1/4 of the global population...all extremists? All radical fundies?

I have had private conversations with Islamics..

2 guys on a bus doesn't = all Muslims.

Edited September 10, 2010 by Moonlight Graham

[GostHacked]

Christianity notwithstanding, there seems to be no shortage of followers of freedom and democracy who are willing to commit violence to achieve their economic ends. I guess it's just a quirky irony that many of these also call themselves Christians.

For the US, it is One nation under God, and in Canada, it's God keep our land glorious and free'.

Hard to say we are not Christian nations when that kind of stuff is in our national anthems or pledge of allegiance. We may think we are secular, but it the documents we still follow and act like Christian nations whether we like it or not, or know it or not.

[Oleg Bach]

Hittin the sauce early today huh?

Thanks but I don't like being discredited with this common and useless rhetoric...the "sauce" as you put it is not a prime part of my life - I am surprised you did not attempt to marginalize me with the liberal "you have not took your meds" bit...either approach me with respect and something useful to say - as Ghandi said "it is a small man that attempts to gain status though the belittlment of others" - to para pharse - now off I go to perhaps answer a serious person with something to contribute.

[Oleg Bach]

For the US, it is One nation under God, and in Canada, it's God keep our land glorious and free'.

Hard to say we are not Christian nations when that kind of stuff is in our national anthems or pledge of allegiance. We may think we are secular, but it the documents we still follow and act like Christian nations whether we like it or not, or know it or not.

'i have not come to save the whole flock but to find and retrieve the one sheep that has fallen into the pit" - In other words Christianity was about the sacred force that is the individual - that one person is worth a million and a million one...islam like socialism destroys the one non-compliant indiviual even if he or she have great gifts to bring to the world..It is a legion of insects - we are not animals or insects// we a slightly lower than the angels - and I expect us to behave as such and not like animals.................In other words - real Chrisitianity brought about class...and America has no class - we are now dirt that Islam will sweep aside....

[Oleg Bach]

For the US, it is One nation under God, and in Canada, it's God keep our land glorious and free'.

Hard to say we are not Christian nations when that kind of stuff is in our national anthems or pledge of allegiance. We may think we are secular, but it the documents we still follow and act like Christian nations whether we like it or not, or know it or not.

Our code of rights has the spirit and pre-amble that states - The rule of law and the supremecy of GOD ........I spoke on this once to one of Canada's most powerful lawyers - and the reason that phrase is in there as well as "in God we trust" - is as he said..."it is not a case of believing in God - but a case of bringing the participants into a state of "higher mindedness" - This ensures that one person does not dictate - and attempt to take the place of GOD - The problem with Islam is that there are many leaders who like to play God and give orders to kill as if God has instructed them personally to do so...I will make it simple...

Now listen up...God is almighty - it created good as well as evil...God or goodness has been birthing humans and killing humans for eons through natural law...when a Jew - Chrisitan or Islamic kill in the name of God...what they are saying is..

THAT GOD IS WEAK AND NEEDS HUMAN HELP - this is contrary to the term all mighty - and anyone who adheres to being God's little helper in the act of murder is a person who is far from fidelity - from the truth - so extremist Islamics are acutally infidels.

[grainfedprairieboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI9GLSGyssc

[Oleg Bach]

Christianity never really reached the modern or ancient christian world..It was originally a faith based on the embracing of reality (truth) and a sense of individuality where no one was your real boss other than goodness (God) - Muslims - Jew - or so called Christians that murder..are not good - hence not of God..so all religion can kiss my ancient Christian ass.

[bloodyminded]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI9GLSGyssc

Unfortunately, aside from the poetic license invoked ("ie "it's on videotape") this is more or less true. Also unfortunately, this places the book in exactly the same company as certain other major "holy" books.

[Oleg Bach]

Secularism does not provide faith or fearlessness - Look at the Chilean miners that just rose from the dead..It was faith that carried that nation through and brough success - our corporate types are such money grubbing power mongering materialists that they fear Islam and insist on making war with this ancient competator....shame on us....that we let our rich send our son's to die fighting what is not worth a single drop of blood - Islam is the oldest and most orgainized corporation on earth - and that is why our corporates effect government and insist on fighting the competition..time for our rich and powerful to have some faith..in more than just material power and the power they gain in the artificial world though deception and the generation of fear - we all fear being poor and homeless - and the corporate powers like to place dying old men on heating grates to remind us of THEIR POWER - and the terrorism they inflict on our domestic populace.

[The_Squid]

It was faith that carried that nation through and brough success

So it is your contention that aetheist miners would have died?

[Bonam]

Secularism does not provide faith or fearlessness - Look at the Chilean miners that just rose from the dead..It was faith that carried that nation through and brough success

No. What carried the nation through and allowed the rescue of the miners was the application of science and technology to solve a new and difficult problem.

[maple_leafs182]

No. What carried the nation through and allowed the rescue of the miners was the application of science and technology to solve a new and difficult problem.

Exactly, science and technology solve problems. We should apply that to solving poverty and other problems that plague society instead or relying on politicians.

[bush_cheney2004]

Exactly, science and technology solve problems. We should apply that to solving poverty and other problems that plague society instead or relying on politicians.

Poverty was also created by science and technology.

[Sir Bandelot]

Poverty was also created by science and technology.

What has lead you to this epiphany? Could it be that old age has at last wisened and softened that heart of stone? My how the worm has turned.

B_C, you make me believe in miracles...

[Bonam]

Poverty was also created by science and technology.

Really? So no one was ever poor before we had science and technology?

[Oleg Bach]

So it is your contention that aetheist miners would have died?

WHAT ARE YOU STUPID? If you can not spell atheist..then you are not much of one. No the weak and arrogant non-believers would have been carried to safety by those that held powerful belief...atheism depends totally on the less than natural..the artifical . things that mankind creates..things that are imperfect and wanting...Belief takes you to the super natural level and at that level you are one with nature..atheist do not understand or know nature..they are like people who spit in a beautiful flower arrangement on the street when there is a gutter at their disposal...oh and by the way..GOD does not make bad things happen to good people...people harm people.

[Oleg Bach]

No. What carried the nation through and allowed the rescue of the miners was the application of science and technology to solve a new and difficult problem.

YOU wish that were true..I suppose science and technology cleaned up the BP spill? Science is fine- it is about natural law..and nature is the evidence of a creator..to toss the baby out with the bath water is silly...it was a combination of faith and nature (science) ...why do people hate nature? Why do they hate creation..was is science that brought about the natural world..or was it creation (nature) that brought about science?

[Pogo]

1) If you're referring to his CNN interview with the Imam, he didn't "threaten" anything.

2) So you're saying all 1.5 billion Muslims in the world are "extremists"? That's 1/4 of the global population...all extremists? All radical fundies?

2 guys on a bus doesn't = all Muslims.

It is quite obvious that not all muslims are extremists. However, that does not change the fact that a large amount of muslim immigrants coming to Canada are purposely taking advantage of Canada's "political correctness" to get exactly what they want, much more than any other group of immigrants that Canada has seen in the past. My mother works for the CRA and has witnessed what has been going on there for years. Many people working there have no problem openly expressing their beliefs that every non-muslim is an infidel. They climb the ranks by crying "rascism" when something doesn't go their way, and because we are so politically correct, we give in to their childish complaints. And this is certainly not the case for all muslims, there are many great muslims just like in every culture or religion. However, the frequency at which this sort of stuff seems to happen, in relation to Muslim people is quite astounding.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Pogo

[Shwa]

It is quite obvious that not all muslims are extremists. However, that does not change the fact that a large amount of muslim immigrants coming to Canada are purposely taking advantage of Canada's "political correctness" to get exactly what they want, much more than any other group of immigrants that Canada has seen in the past.

As opposed to the British settlers you mean? Or the Loyalists? Have you cracked open a Canadian history book yet?

My mother works for the CRA and has witnessed what has been going on there for years.

Great. Cite your mom...

Many people working there have no problem openly expressing their beliefs that every non-muslim is an infidel.

Well, by definition, to a Muslim, any non-Muslim IS an infidel. And to any Christian, any non-Christian IS an infidel. Perhaps you might want to crack open a dictionary too? Infidel

They climb the ranks by crying "rascism" when something doesn't go their way, and because we are so politically correct, we give in to their childish complaints.

Of course, this could only be true is there were no racism in the federal bureaucracy. And of course this is true if your mom knows everyone's religion since I have heard of many types of people exposed discriminatory hiring practices in the public service.

And this is certainly not the case for all muslims, there are many great muslims just like in every culture or religion. However, the frequency at which this sort of stuff seems to happen, in relation to Muslim people is quite astounding.

Quite astounding compared to what? Do you have the frequency at which black folks made complaints of discrimination 20 or 30 years ago? How about French people? Natives?

Edited December 13, 2010 by Shwa

[dre]

Poverty was also created by science and technology.