dre Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Yep. Which goes to show just how high the levels of radicalism are, when 25-50% support for Bin Laden is a DECLINE. Use your head before you post. Again youre misrepresenting the data by cherry picking one part of it. You didnt even read the survey. The whole thing is about the downward trend in extremism and support for terrorism. Oops! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Jack Weber Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Again youre misrepresenting the data by cherry picking one part of it. You didnt even read the survey. The whole thing is about the downward trend in extremism and support for terrorism. Oops! Shady is a disciple of Andrew Breitbart... He's got picking and choosing the information he wants to decipher down to a fine art... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Just to be clear...Mr Shwa isn't in Fed lock-up...I was simply making it up like he was re: my apparent love for Fox News. Frankly the only time I watch Fox is Sunday nights for...guess...that's right...the Simpsons (et al) like about a billion other folks around about 8pm local (if it's new). Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jack Weber Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Just to be clear...Mr Shwa isn't in Fed lock-up...I was simply making it up like he was re: my apparent love for Fox News. Frankly the only time I watch Fox is Sunday nights for...guess...that's right...the Simpsons (et al) like about a billion other folks around about 8pm local (if it's new). I watch Fox for football and baseball... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Shady Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Again youre misrepresenting the data by cherry picking one part of it. You didnt even read the survey. The whole thing is about the downward trend in extremism and support for terrorism. Oops! Again, you're ignoring the data. Yes, it's about a decline. But look at the levels of support for Bin Laden! Take a look at the levels they've declined to! They're still enormous. Why do you people continue to make excuses and ignore facts? It's pathetic. We're suppose to cheer the fact that only 20% - 70% of the Muslim population support Bin Laden? Is that the 99.9999% statistic of moderate muslims you cite? Where did you get that number, out of your butt? It's not reality!!! Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 Again youre misrepresenting the data by cherry picking one part of it. You didnt even read the survey. The whole thing is about the downward trend in extremism and support for terrorism. Oops! Good news for us! Expect only 3 car bombs instead of 4. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 12, 2010 Report Posted August 12, 2010 I watch Fox for football and baseball... Well they do have that too...yes. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/12/iftikhar.islamaphobia/index.html?hpt=T2 The United States of Islamophobia? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Shwa Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) Just to be clear...Mr Shwa isn't in Fed lock-up...I was simply making it up like he was re: my apparent love for Fox News. Frankly the only time I watch Fox is Sunday nights for...guess...that's right...the Simpsons (et al) like about a billion other folks around about 8pm local (if it's new). And in the spirit of clarity, DogOnPorch doesn't have an "apparent love for Fox news" since he was simply making it up. Or, as another couple of posters have suggested, has a less than stellar comprehension of English: ... Then it only becomes a matter of what news source headlines you choose to scan, like those little headline flashes on FOX news channel or something. Edited August 13, 2010 by Shwa Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) Again, you're ignoring the data. Let's look at the overall findings (based on the polls) reported by the study in your link: 1. Rejection of Attacks on American Civilians Large majorities denounce attacks on American civilians, whether in the US or in a Muslim country, though there has been some softening in the numbers who hold this view strongly. Most reject the argument that such attacks are the only way to get the US to listen to the Islamic people and a growing percentage perceive them as an ineffective method for achieving political ends. As a general principle large majorities reject the use of violent methods such as bombings and assassinations to achieve political goals. 2. Opposition to US Military Presence in Muslim Countries Large majorities endorse the al Qaeda goal of pushing the US to remove all of its military forces from Muslim countries and oppose US naval forces in the Persian Gulf. Even if the government has requested the US forces, majorities or pluralities oppose their presence. If the US were to withdraw troops from Iraq, very few assume that there would be an increase in the likelihood of attacks on the US homeland. 3. Attacks on US Troops Based in Muslim Countries Significant numbers--majorities in some nations--approve of attacks on US troops based in Muslim countries, presumably as a means to apply pressure for their removal. 4. Perception of US Goals in Relation to Muslim World Opposition to US military presence appears to be related to largely negative views of US goals in relation to the Muslim world. Most perceive the US as seeking to weaken and divide Islam and to maintain control over Middle East oil. Less than half perceive that US as seeking to protect them from extremists or as genuinely trying to promote democracy. In regard to Israel, most believe that the US is seeking to further the expansion of Israel, while views are mixed on whether the US is seeking to bring about a Palestinian state. Majorities also perceive that the US is seeking to prevent further terrorist attacks against the US. 5. General Views of the United States Views of the US government continue to be quite negative. The US is widely seen as hypocritically failing to abide by international law, not living up to the role it should play in world affairs, disrespectful of the Muslim people, and using its power in a coercive and unfair fashion. The US is seen as having extraordinary powers over world events, though views are more mixed on how much Muslim publics’ own governments accommodate the US. Views of the American people and culture are not as negative as for the American government, but are still largely negative. 6. Views of al Qaeda Views of al Qaeda are complex. Majorities agree with nearly all of al Qaeda’s goals to change US behavior in the Muslim world, to promote Islamist governance, and to preserve and affirm Islamic identity. However, consistent with the general rejection of attacks on civilians, only minorities say they approve of al Qaeda’s attacks on Americans as well as its goals, suggesting that many may feel ambivalence. Consistent with this possible ambivalence, views of Osama bin Laden are mixed. The tension between support for al Qaeda’s goals and discomfort with attacks on civilians may contribute to the widespread denial that al Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks (something that increasing numbers see as having been negative for the Muslim world). 7. Views of Groups That Attack Americans In regard to the generic category of groups that attack Americans, views are divided. Only small numbers in all countries say they would speak favorably of such groups or would approve if a family member were to join such a group. However, significant numbers say they would at least have mixed feelings if a family member were to join such a group and more people say they express approval of such groups to others than say they express disapproval. 8. Islamist Groups and Shari'a Majorities say Islamist groups should be allowed to participate in the political process by organizing political parties and running candidates in elections and reject the argument that such groups should be excluded because they are not genuinely democratic. The Islamist goal of giving Shari’a a larger role in Islamic society is viewed positively. Views are more mixed, however, on whether people would like to see a greater role for Shari’a in their country, and among those who do prefer a greater role views vary as to whether this greater role should emphasize the enforcement traditions or social welfare. 9. Views of Governments of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Pakistan Contrary to the al Qaeda case that governments that are not Islamist and are supported by the US—especially Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan and Pakistan--are viewed as illegitimate by their own people, majorities or pluralities throughout the Muslim world assume that the populations of these countries view their government as legitimate. Views are mixed about whether governments such as Saudi Arabia and Jordan should receive military aid from the United States. Obviously a lot more complex & sometimes conflicting issues here than your citing of only one of the polls shows. This study is pretty interesting. Edited August 13, 2010 by Moonlight Graham Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
kimmy Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Because it's ignorant and stupid? Why's it ignorant and stupid? If some of the biggest mosques in England ended up with kooks leading their congregations, why is it ignorant to wonder if the same kind of kook might be brought in to educate the flock at my local mosque? The Dar al Madinah mosque in Vancouver got a real genuine Saudi-educated Imam to run their mosque. Am I supposed to assume that the guy giving the sermons at my local mosque is fun-loving and lovable like the Imam on that TV show, as opposed to a hate-filled kook like Sheikh Kathrada? If you learned that the guy running the mosque in your town was a hate-filled kook like Sheikh Kathrada or those scumbags exposed on the Undercover Mosque documentary... would you still have warm fuzzy feelings about your local mosque? Or would the hate-filled kookery dampen your affection for it somewhat? Even assuming that my local Imam isn't telling his flock to kill gays and Jews, take up arms for global jihad, beat their wives and daughters, and so on, ... why should I feel all warm and fuzzy about a mosque anyway? What does a mosque accomplish, aside from ensure a fresh generation of homophobia and misogyny? What's so freaking awesome about that? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Jack Weber Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Why's it ignorant and stupid? If some of the biggest mosques in England ended up with kooks leading their congregations, why is it ignorant to wonder if the same kind of kook might be brought in to educate the flock at my local mosque? The Dar al Madinah mosque in Vancouver got a real genuine Saudi-educated Imam to run their mosque. Am I supposed to assume that the guy giving the sermons at my local mosque is fun-loving and lovable like the Imam on that TV show, as opposed to a hate-filled kook like Sheikh Kathrada? If you learned that the guy running the mosque in your town was a hate-filled kook like Sheikh Kathrada or those scumbags exposed on the Undercover Mosque documentary... would you still have warm fuzzy feelings about your local mosque? Or would the hate-filled kookery dampen your affection for it somewhat? Even assuming that my local Imam isn't telling his flock to kill gays and Jews, take up arms for global jihad, beat their wives and daughters, and so on, ... why should I feel all warm and fuzzy about a mosque anyway? What does a mosque accomplish, aside from ensure a fresh generation of homophobia and misogyny? What's so freaking awesome about that? -k I love the use of the word "kookery"... Is that like douchebaggery and asshattery?? Or traveshamockery??? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Shady Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Great post kimmy! I've been reading up on our moderate friend. Apparently he's a big fan of Sharia law. Oh joy. Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 What does a mosque accomplish, aside from ensure a fresh generation of homophobia and misogyny? What's so freaking awesome about that? If you're worried about spreading homophobia and misogyny via mosques, you should also be concerned with Catholic churches being built. Women can't be priests cuz that would just be wrong! Oh, and also gotta watch out for those Catholic churches spreading pedophilia too. Seriously, what up with frickin' religions and their crazy rules? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
GostHacked Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 If you're worried about spreading homophobia and misogyny via mosques, you should also be concerned with Catholic churches being built. Women can't be priests cuz that would just be wrong! Oh, and also gotta watch out for those Catholic churches spreading pedophilia too. Seriously, what up with frickin' religions and their crazy rules? Are there any religions that are not hypocritical at all? Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Are there any religions that are not hypocritical at all? Yeah and besides, lots of white peole gets coverted to islam, so Quote
GostHacked Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Yeah and besides, lots of white peole gets coverted to islam, so Over a billion muslims and counting. That's about 1/5th of the total world population. And yet Islam extremists make up a very very small portion of the overall following population. Does Pat Robertson speak for all Christians? No. Does a few Imams speak for all Muslims? Definitely not. And when someone is being extreme within the religion, it's up to everyone to shut them up. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Yeah and besides, lots of white peole gets coverted to islam, so So? So what? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 Over a billion muslims and counting. That's about 1/5th of the total world population. And yet Islam extremists make up a very very small portion of the overall following population. Never mind that even 1% of a billion and a half is the population size of some countries. And when someone is being extreme within the religion, it's up to everyone to shut them up. I recall a time when religion was pretty much told to stay in the back seat and STFU. Now it wants to drive... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 I recall a time when religion was pretty much told to stay in the back seat and STFU. Now it wants to drive... The rapture is almost apon us! Sky-god worshippers are getting uppity! Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Sir Bandelot Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 So? So what? It's inherently obvious... Quote
Jack Weber Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 (edited) Yeah and besides, lots of white peole gets coverted to islam, so Well,that's kinda like Breitbart Lite's Black Conservative thread... The phrase,"Chickens voting for Col.Sanders!" ,comes to mind.... Edited August 13, 2010 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest American Woman Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 I recall a time when religion was pretty much told to stay in the back seat and STFU. Now it wants to drive... I recall a time when non-religious people not only didn't defend religion, but they were critical of it. Now, apparently, those same people feel a need to defend Islam. And only Islam. No matter what. And anyone who doesn't, is intolerant; a bigot. Quote
Jack Weber Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 I recall a time when non-religious people not only didn't defend religion, but they were critical of it. Now, apparently, those same people feel a need to defend Islam. And only Islam. No matter what. And anyone who doesn't, is intolerant; a bigot. It has more to do with the Left's anti-American sentiment than sticking up for Islam... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
GostHacked Posted August 13, 2010 Report Posted August 13, 2010 I recall a time when non-religious people not only didn't defend religion, but they were critical of it. Now, apparently, those same people feel a need to defend Islam. And only Islam. No matter what. And anyone who doesn't, is intolerant; a bigot. I'd love to see all religions go by the wayside, once that happens the world can reach another stage of enlightenment. But that is not happening anytime soon, so instead we (well me) point out the hypocrisy of one religion telling another that they are no good because of a few asshats in the ranks. Every religion has its asshats. I know a couple asshats that say I'll be saved if I send them a check for $1000. Anyone who believes in a sky god or any type to me is grossly misguided. No matter what religion they follow. Islam, Christianity Judaism, does not matter, they are all misguided. However I will say that if a certain religion works for you, then go for it, because to me that certainly matters. Quote
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