wyly Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 fake fiscal conservatism... rightly deserves a 'fake lake'! Fake Muskoka costs real bucks - Plan to take the great outdoors indoors for global media more than a little loony Name That Lake! ... naming the lake, "Harper's Folly"... clearly, polling #1 name that lake...two of my favourites so far...Harpers Hole ...and Lake Torycaca :lol: a fake lake 2 mill... a media center that will see no media 23 mill...a 100k! Gazebo, that no one will see... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Oleg Bach Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 As so many point out on here, I'm sure the military could use $1.1B. So could the protein starved wretches that inhabit our cities and feed out of a dumpster called a food bank. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 If the rich and powerful can not impress their guests without showing them a huge bundle of public cash - then they are rich - but NOT powerful - they depend on us for power...and OUR money - the hosts of this meeting should show off their spirit and personality and THAT should impress the guests..maybe they are so insecure and spiritless that they need to show material power because that is the only kind they presently have at their disposal...wonder why they have not invited me or you to hang out with the big dogs...There might be a reason for this slip up on the invite list - that they will find out they are just little dogs with gold bones. Quote
nicky10013 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/820556--g8-g20-security-firm-not-licensed-to-work-in-ontario?bn=1 Security company contracted out by the federal government not licensed to work in Ontario. Quote
Molly Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 (edited) name that lake...two of my favourites so far...Harpers Hole ...and Lake Torycaca :lol: Prodigal Pond is wonderful-- and Lake Wannabe-- Never to be forgotten- Boondoggle Bay... (Let Them Eat Cake Lake; Lac Des Deux Millions; Lake Outtatouch; Squander Swamp and even Loch Mess.) but the best one of all is Lake ShamWow. Edited June 8, 2010 by Molly Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Molly Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 BWAAAAAA-HA-HA-HA!!! Lake Flacid!! Lord! I love these! Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
maple_leafs182 Posted June 8, 2010 Report Posted June 8, 2010 (edited) HOW COME THE RICH AND POWERFUL GET TO USE OUR MONEY AND WE DO NOT GET ACCESS TO THEIR MONEY WHICH IS OUR MONEY? Ever get the feeling that we live on one huge estate and we are the surfs..."Tell the peasants that my guest is about to arrive in a couple of weeks - tell them to bring me their gold as tribute...so as I can impress my guest." Jeeezzzz! Why do WE have to spend so much money on these guys - is it to show them that our business elite own us ? What's wrong with getting a few cop cars and some security types and just take them up to the cottage and show them the real Canada? You could do it for a million plus...I suggest that if you want to impress the G8 and G20 boys - get down and get down home..show that that you are fiscally responsible and conservative - take them for a walk in the woods and for some skinny dipping at night..maybe get them drunk..or take them sailing ---- forget this crap.. Times have changed and if the Canadian business community wants to impress them..show them that we are not like a bunch of tin pot dictators - what's next...forced dancing in the streets and bowing to the King? Really - TAKE THEM TO THE COTTAGE AND HAVE A CHAT...HOW EXPENSIVE COULD THAT BE? This is to show the other bullies that they are bullies also - this is bad PR and does not teach the world anything - it is so gangsta! This is extortion - we are better than that - this is an opportunity to do something different..something positive...The guys here at Mapleleafweb would show them a better time..and all it would cost is a few cases of scotch...and the charm of our delightful daughters...these guys do not know how to enjoy themselves and will leave feeling miserable and powerful because they extorted a few billion out of us - kiss my ass. Because this world is based on Plutonomy, rule by the rich. What was the logic behind having this meeting in Toronto? The official price tag for security at last year's G20 summit in Pittsburgh was listed at $18 million US, according to municipal and U.S. federal officials.Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/05/26/g8-g20-security-summit-toews.html#ixzz0qJU4mlIk Are they expecting a lot more violence and rioting this year. Edited June 9, 2010 by maple_leafs182 Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
kimmy Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 Prodigal Pond is wonderful-- and Lake Wannabe-- Never to be forgotten- Boondoggle Bay... (Let Them Eat Cake Lake; Lac Des Deux Millions; Lake Outtatouch; Squander Swamp and even Loch Mess.) but the best one of all is Lake ShamWow. Those are all great. But to me, the funniest part of all of this is that it's the lake that seems to have gotten people all riled up. I mean, they're going to blow $930 million (right?) to host a 3-day wank-fest... and people are upset that they're spending $2 million on a fake lake? You know what? I'm glad we get a fake lake. I'd be upset if we were blowing $930 million on this event and didn't at least have a fake lake to show for it. These names for the fake lake are the only bright side to this whole fiasco, which would be an unmitigated disaster if not for the serendipity of Lake ShamWow. As a matter of fact, I hope they spend another $2 million and build a fake iceberg and some animatronic polar bears. We're at $930 million already, why not make it $932 million and have some fun? In fact, why not spend another $2 million after that, and build some fake teepees and fake totem poles and get some native dancers. I mean, what's another $2 million when you've already blown $930? In fact, why not go for an even billion? We could have fake lakes, fake icebergs, fake mountains, fake prairies, maybe a little fake Peggy's Cove... We could hire unemployed people to be fake cowboys and fake fishermen and fake voyageurs... we could build a whole mini fake Canada right there on the shores of Lake Ontario. I mean, why not? It would be fun. With $930 million down the tubes already, what's left to lose? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
eyeball Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 Later Wednesday, Chris McCluskey, a spokesman for Toews, accused Ignatieff of failing to understand the cost of the summits."His comments indicate he has no understanding of the parliamentary budget process, no understanding of the reality of providing security to world leaders, and no understanding of what it takes to have Canada take its rightful place on the world stage," he said in an email. Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/05/26/g8-g20-security-summit-toews.html#ixzz0qKhEdgtB What is it with this freaking world stage and the desire to get all tarted up and strut about it? I just don't get that at all. Given all the insecurity and fear that dominates the big actors and as evidenced by the gargantuan cost of protecting them, doesn't it make more sense to just get off the damn stage and keep a low profile? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
wyly Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/politics/story/2010/05/26/g8-g20-security-summit-toews.html#ixzz0qKhEdgtB What is it with this freaking world stage and the desire to get all tarted up and strut about it? I just don't get that at all. Given all the insecurity and fear that dominates the big actors and as evidenced by the gargantuan cost of protecting them, doesn't it make more sense to just get off the damn stage and keep a low profile? it could have been hosted at a much smaller center that is difficult to access which would have simplified security and lowered costs...but this is a huge propaganda event for the conservatives providing endless photo-ops for glorious leader in the heart of the Liberal stronghold of Toronto... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Molly Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 I mean, they're going to blow $930 million (right?) to host a 3-day wank-fest... and people are upset that they're spending $2 million on a fake lake? -k No, no, no! $930 million is just the tab for security. (Security at the Olympics was less than that.) Food, lodging, meeting rooms...... gazebos, lakes... That's all over and above the $930 million, so the tab is $1.1 billion and climbing, to host three days worth of meetings about dealing with the recession. You just can't make this stuff up. Quote "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!" — L. Frank Baum "For Conservatives, ministerial responsibility seems to be a temporary and constantly shifting phenomenon," -- Goodale
Oleg Bach Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 What's with all this creation of all these expensive illusions? WHY not just hire the guy who did AVITAR and digitize all of the G8 and G 20 guys..and have them say exactly what we want to hear? TORONTO THE CITY STATE is perfect seeing it is a socialist strong hold..to have this summit - the summit guys want conflict - it's good for business - perfect and a very effective choice by our business community -my hats off to their cunning. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 IMPORTANT...Watched a bit of television showing the law enforcers who are the front line of security for the summit..they looked like a band of hooligan henchmen..arrogant - big and muscular - jaded and ready to rock...we need more respectable and intellignet officers on the line - not these creeps... BUT it did remind my of something - Walking down the street I a few years ago I saw Belinda Stronach getting out of her limo..and go into a dumpy Young Street eatery..Her body guard looked like a jerk that did to much time in Kingston pen for brutality - a real goon---it seems that some of the rich and powerful depend on crimminals for personal protection - my point is that an air of respectablity must by shown by our laundered and respected mafia families ..get some secrutity that do not look like Hells' angels in suits or police uniforms - surely we must have some fine officers somewhere. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 POLICE ARE OUR STANDING ARMY - bring out the best not the cruelest. Quote
waldo Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 it could have been hosted at a much smaller center that is difficult to access which would have simplified security and lowered costs...but this is a huge propaganda event for the conservatives providing endless photo-ops for glorious leader in the heart of the Liberal stronghold of Toronto... glorious leader likee photo-ops... of course, that's why Harper has seen fit to ensure the GG is outa here during the upcoming Queen's visit. Apparently, glorius leader was quite perturbed that Michaelle Jean upstaged him during the Olympics! Stephen Harper sends GG Michaëlle Jean to China during Queen’s visit Quote
Smallc Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 Well that sucks...I won't even get to see her on Canada Day. Quote
Ol'dude Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 G'day y'all And here I promissed myself I wasn't going to let myself get drug into this, but............. Anyhow I assume you folks want to know how to pissaway a billion and counting for security so let me provide just a little insight into that. I'm currently visiting friends right in the thick of the security zone for the G8, I mean vertually within walking distance and I seen a thing the other day that just blew my mind on how to spend money like water. There was a truck, a water truck from a construction co.washing the friggin rock out croppings on the sides of the road. Yes we can't have Barrack and co being forced to look at dirty out croppings. Quote
Smallc Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 i'd rather that than we leave them dirty. Quote
wyly Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 (edited) In fact, why not go for an even billion? We could have fake lakes, fake icebergs, fake mountains, fake prairies, maybe a little fake Peggy's Cove... We could hire unemployed people to be fake cowboys and fake fishermen and fake voyageurs... we could build a whole mini fake Canada right there on the shores of Lake Ontario. I mean, why not? It would be fun. With $930 million down the tubes already, what's left to lose? -k or they could build a fake lighthouse for 186K... Edited June 9, 2010 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
Yesterday Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 or they could build a fake lighthouse for 186K... I'm down with Peggy's Cove, being a maritimer stuck in Southern Ontario I would appreciate a bit of home right now. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 I'm down with Peggy's Cove, being a maritimer stuck in Southern Ontario I would appreciate a bit of home right now. I Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 9, 2010 Report Posted June 9, 2010 I Feel your pain - I would give anything to romp through the swamp and dive deep into a kettle lake..I miss nature so much - Here it is paved over and so am I. Quote
Topaz Posted June 9, 2010 Author Report Posted June 9, 2010 The PM is proud of what the Tories have done for the G8 and the G20 and he once again defended the spending of money,especially for the reporters. I just wonder what he has in mind for the wives who aren't invited to the G8. How is he going to entertainment them? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/100608/topstories/politics_g20_fakelake_costs_4 Quote
August1991 Posted June 10, 2010 Report Posted June 10, 2010 According to Don Martin, Kevin Paige, the parliamentary budget officer, who is no friend of the Tories, has been looking into this at the request of the NDP, is about to issue a report, and has found nothing out of line.An audit will only show that the $500 car rental was at market rates. It won't say that the car rental was not necessary at all.News out is the $1.9 million cost is not for the lake, but the cost for the entire media centre to house some 3,000 journalists.So, the fake lake only cost $57,000.So what? A fake lake? And the two summits are still budgeted at $930 million. In fact, why not go for an even billion? We could have fake lakes, fake icebergs, fake mountains, fake prairies, maybe a little fake Peggy's Cove... We could hire unemployed people to be fake cowboys and fake fishermen and fake voyageurs... we could build a whole mini fake Canada right there on the shores of Lake Ontario. I mean, why not? It would be fun. With $930 million down the tubes already, what's left to lose?Don't encourage them, Kimmy. Important people read this forum and they may not have a sense of satire. They may take you seriously. If I'm not mistaken, there was a fake canoe at the Vancouver Olympic ceremony.----- I am tired of politicians justifying spending taxpayer money for "promotional" and "PR" work. I am also tired of politicians justifying the use of government taxpayer money for "security". "Security" and "PR" are blackholes that mean politicians/bureaucrats can have a party at taxpayer expense. It's all about using other people's money. ----- The bottom line here is that Stephen Harper no longer has a credible reputation as a fiscal conservative. He can no longer justify in person before any Canadian public a spending cut. If he tries this, he will be laughed and jeered as the "one billion dollar party animal". As a simple taxpayer/voter, I wanted a politician who could honestly and credibly ask Canadians to accept federal budget cuts. For me, Stephen Harper is no longer a legitimate spokesperson. He can no longer sell the message. Quote
kimmy Posted June 10, 2010 Report Posted June 10, 2010 I'm curious as to why they chose downtown Toronto. I would have to think that a more isolated location would be easier to keep secure, and there's no place in the country less isolated than downtown Toronto. I also have to wonder at the decision to have 2 sites. It seems obvious that one site would have been more economical. It seems like cost was not a consideration in coming up with these plans. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
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