Prince of Pot extradited

[DrGreenthumb]

I'm with you Wild Bill. I've had enough, and I think I will seriously start working on getting the anti-smoking busybody crowd whipped into a ban alcohol frenzy. I don't really care if I drink anymore either. It will be worth it to see these pompous fuckers squirm when someone else is taking control over THEIR lives. Actually Maybe I'll be like Dancer and advocate punishment for those who use or sell alcohol while I continue to friggin use it myself. I mean I ignore the stupid pot laws so I'll probably ignore any new alcohol ban that I help to pass as well.

Banning alcohol actually makes a lot more sense than a pot ban anyways since alcohol users are FAR MORE DANGEROUS to others.

Actually it might be fun to get all the pot activists working on a push to renew alcohol prohibition. None of us need worry about our being targetted by police for advocating THAT. We could sell it as a "tough on crime" approach since alcohol is the only drug with an obvious link to criminality in its users. Assaults both domestic and otherwise are nearly all alcohol fueled. Drunk driving, the costs to the healthcare system from liver damage and general alcoholism. Get ready to get F&cked, all you anti-pot Booze guzzlers, Karma's a bitch .

[bush_cheney2004]

You know, I hardly drink at all anymore. It would be no big deal for me to give it up entirely. Since that's the case, I think I'm going to become a Prohibition supporter! If some folks think they have some God-given right to tell ME what drugs I may or may not take then I want the chance to impose my will on them and return the favour!

That won't help Emery's ass one bit, and would certainly have no impact on me.

Do unto others as they have done unto you. Sometimes its the only way to get through to them.

It's already been done.

[Pliny]

Justice will not be served until you are held down and a$$raped repeatedly for the crime of being a complete douchebag.

Marc's fate in an American prison perhaps? Ahhh...justice...you have an uncanny sense of it.

[M.Dancer]

I almost care about Khadr more than Emory...

[GostHacked]

The only douchbag is this Emery fellow. Who thinks he can break the laws of other countries and get away with it. Not only does he think he can break the laws of other countires, but he makes money off of doing so, while at the same time, spreading the culture of drug use. This guy is the biggest P.O.S I've seen in a while. May he rot in jail.

However, I think it's rather ironic that DrGreenthumb wishes more harm to me, for simply stating an opinion, then he does for somebody actually breaking the law. It speaks volumes.

Go smoke some more weed you lousy pothead!

I vote to jail anyone who has ever bought seeds off Emery. They should know that buying seeds are illegal in the US. Why does the US not stay true to their war on drugs and go after the end user?

[Sir Bandelot]

I've met Marc and Jodie Emery years ago on the hill in Ottawa. I only spoke with him briefly, and I've read some of his ravings. Clearly he is not a classic drug dealer criminal. His intention was to use radical activism to reform the drug laws. His slogan at the time was "Overgrow the Government".

His imprisonment is a major blow to cannabis activists, which is a direct media quote from DEA attorney Karen Tandy. This quote implies that Emery is not only being imprisoned for selling his seeds and paraphenalia, but also for political purposes. And this goes against the extradition treaty between Canada and the US, something which the minister totally ignored.

So it's too bad but in retrospect, Emery knew exactly what he was doing. His actions were calculated to maximize the visibility of his eventual arrest. Perhaps he hoped they would not go through with it, I don't know. But he took the chances, and he knew what the price could be. I am certain that was at least part of his motivation... he never tried to conceal his activities as any typical drug gangs would do. He wanted it to be out in public.

Edited May 11, 2010 by Sir Bandelot

[GostHacked]

Well said. I just don't like the idea of someone in another country purposely breaking our country's laws and expecting their government to protect them. There's nothing brave about it; coming here to challenge our laws would have earned some respect on my part. So I think justice was served in the sense that he wasn't able to purposely break our laws and then hide behind the Canadian government's skirt.

Even if he went willingly, he would still end up serving jail time in the US.

[Moonbox]

Actually it might be fun to get all the pot activists working on a push to renew alcohol prohibition.

Good luck. Most of them are stoned on their couch collecting EI...

[bush_cheney2004]

....So it's too bad but in retrospect, Emery knew exactly what he was doing. His actions were calculated to maximize the visibility of his eventual arrest. Perhaps he hoped they would not go through with it, I don't know. But he took the chances, and he knew what the price could be. I am certain that was at least part of his motivation... he never tried to conceal his activities as any typical drug gangs would do. He wanted it to be out in public.

Then why is it "too bad"? If this brave "cannabis activist" has a noble cause then he should embrace the decision and extradition to further the "movement". So much for the laughable "Rosa Parks" comparison.

[Sir Bandelot]

Then why is it "too bad"? If this brave "cannabis activist" has a noble cause then he should embrace the decision and extradition to further the "movement". So much for the laughable "Rosa Parks" comparison.

It's too bad that he failed.

Who's Rosa Parks? The black lady on the bus? If so, that's not entirely laughable as far as cannabis smokers go. Aside from the violence of the drug war which is not unlike 1920's alsohol prohibition related violence, my attitude toward it is "You leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone." No harm done, and it's your business to do what you want.

Being an American I'm sure you can understand that.

[M.Dancer]

Marijuana is dangerous. Do not drink while watching.

[Guest American Woman]

I vote to jail anyone who has ever bought seeds off Emery. They should know that buying seeds are illegal in the US. Why does the US not stay true to their war on drugs and go after the end user?

What makes you think they aren't?

[Guest American Woman]

We're talking about the selling of seeds in a completely harmless way.

We're talking about the selling of seeds in a completely illegal way.

[bush_cheney2004]

It's too bad that he failed.

Of course he failed....he was always going to fail.

Who's Rosa Parks? The black lady on the bus? If so, that's not entirely laughable as far as cannabis smokers go. Aside from the violence of the drug war which is not unlike 1920's alsohol prohibition related violence, my attitude toward it is "You leave me alone, and I'll leave you alone." No harm done, and it's your business to do what you want.

Then by all means please have the courage to get arrested and a jury trial. Thousands of dopers should use civil disobedience to further their cause if it be so righteous. That's why Emery is no "Rosa Parks"....she was convicted and paid her fine.

Being an American I'm sure you can understand that.

Sorry...crash a train...get a blood test for dope.

[maple_leafs182]

come on guys, this is a human being who's life we are destroying. Not only will he suffer so will his wife, we should not be causing that kind of pain to others.

I don't care what the law is, agreeing with the law just because it is the law is like serving a faceless queen.

[Guest American Woman]

come on guys, this is a human being who's life we are destroying. Not only will he suffer so will his wife, we should not be causing that kind of pain to others.

If his wife will suffer, no one is to blame but Emery. Do you not get the fact that he knowingly broke the law?

I don't care what the law is, agreeing with the law just because it is the law is like serving a faceless queen.

And the law doesn't care if you don't care what the law is; "agreeing with the law" isn't a requirement of being expected to follow the law, which we all must do-- or pay the price. We don't get to determine which ones we follow and which ones be don't based on whether or not we agree with the law.

Again. Emery knowingly broke the law, knowing full well what the consequences of breaking the law are. If his life is destroyed, he's the one responsible for destroying it.

Edited May 11, 2010 by American Woman

[Wild Bill]

If his wife will suffer, no one is to blame but Emery. Do you not get the fact that he knowingly broke the law?

And the law doesn't care if you don't care what the law is; "agreeing with the law" isn't a requirement of being expected to follow the law, which we all must do-- or pay the price. We don't get to determine which ones we follow and which ones be don't based on whether or not we agree with the law.

Again. Emery knowingly broke the law, knowing full well what the consequences of breaking the law are. If his life is destroyed, he's the one responsible for destroying it.

Yes, he knowingly broke the law. To millions of citizens both in Canada and the USA, the law is an ass about pot but nonetheless, he broke the law and stood sentence for it.

Still, it kinda says something about the law in both countries when Emery gets a harsher sentence for supporting what is really just another intoxicant than Canada has meted out for cold blooded murder.

I'm sorry, I just can't respect the people who have set up and championed this situation. That's not what I had thought the law was for! The law is supposed to be there to protect us, not allow fascist social engineers to bully us into living as they feel we should do!

[Guest American Woman]

Yes, he knowingly broke the law. To millions of citizens both in Canada and the USA, the law is an ass about pot but nonetheless, he broke the law and stood sentence for it.

Exactly. When someone breaks the law, regardless of how the law is perceived, one is held responsible. The law didn't single him out, it wasn't depriving him of rights that others enjoyed; the law pertains to everyone.

Still, it kinda says something about the law in both countries when Emery gets a harsher sentence for supporting what is really just another intoxicant than Canada has meted out for cold blooded murder.

I think it says more about Canada's laws in this instance. How the U.S. determines its sentencing has nothing to do with the short sentences that Canada metes out for cold blooded murder. Furthermore, Emery knew that. He knew what the laws were in America and what the sentencing is like here. Yet he still chose to break U.S. law. He could have confined his business to Canada, but he chose not to. So he has to deal with the U.S.

I'm sorry, I just can't respect the people who have set up and championed this situation. That's not what I had thought the law was for! The law is supposed to be there to protect us, not allow fascist social engineers to bully us into living as they feel we should do!

Whether or not I agree with the law, it is the law and Emery knew that. He chose to do business in the U.S. anyway.

We often don't agree with laws, but we still have to abide by them. And the reality is, some people agree with some laws, some people agree with others. You don't think laws against pot protect people, but others would disagree; they think they do protect us. It's not as if the these laws are on the books simply to pick on pot smokers.

[Sir Bandelot]

Sorry...crash a train...get a blood test for dope.

That doesn't meet the criteria I stated, NO HARM DONE. The same problem applies to boozers.

Why oh why cans't Johnny read?

[bush_cheney2004]

...Yet he still chose to break U.S. law. He could have confined his business to Canada, but he chose not to. So he has to deal with the U.S....

Emery sure didn't mind accepting US dollars in payment for seeds. LOL!

Edited May 11, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[maple_leafs182]

I'm sorry, I just can't respect the people who have set up and championed this situation. That's not what I had thought the law was for! The law is supposed to be there to protect us, not allow fascist social engineers to bully us into living as they feel we should do!

Nicely said.

Do you not get the fact that he knowingly broke the law

I don't care if he broke American law.

Canada should of just gave the finger to America and said no you can't have him. Would of been that easy.

Putting him in jail won't make us safer, isn't that the point of that law, to make us safer.

I'm sure if they asked Emery right now to stop selling seeds to America or you will go to jail in America, he would stop selling seeds to America.

[bush_cheney2004]

come on guys, this is a human being who's life we are destroying. Not only will he suffer so will his wife, we should not be causing that kind of pain to others.

I don't care what the law is, agreeing with the law just because it is the law is like serving a faceless queen.

Boo hoo...tell it to the judge. Think how much more he will love his wife after bunking with "Mr. Cuddles" for a few months!

[Sir Bandelot]

There has to be an appropriate path for legal reform, when laws are outdated or become unjust. Emery wanted to reform the law, but felt that other more "civil" methods were exhausted. Despite all manner of petitions, letters to MP's, reports by sub-committees and even general agreement by ministers, the law remains on the books. Emery maintained that the drug war had become an industry unto itself. A lot of money and jobs are tied to it, and influential people seekt to keep it maintained, despite all efforts to have it overturned.

We've been over this debate so many times now.

[Shady]

Putting him in jail won't make us safer

Sure it will. One less drug dealer off the street.

[Wild Bill]

Exactly. When someone breaks the law, regardless of how the law is perceived, one is held responsible. The law didn't single him out, it wasn't depriving him of rights that others enjoyed; the law pertains to everyone.

We often don't agree with laws, but we still have to abide by them. And the reality is, some people agree with some laws, some people agree with others. You don't think laws against pot protect people, but others would disagree; they think they do protect us. It's not as if the these laws are on the books simply to pick on pot smokers.

Actually AW, the law DID single Emery out! You must understand that Emory was NOT the only one selling seeds by mail! There are lots of others!

Emery was unique in that he struck a high profile. He paid over $500,000 in sales taxes to the Canadian provincial and federal governments. He made no secret that he supported legalization.

It's obvious that "Deputy Dawg" saw a highly visible target that would make a good example of how tough the law could be!

If Emery had stayed under the radar, not paying taxes and not being highly visible he would still be selling today! After all, lots of others still are doing the same thing! To my knowledge only Emery has been charged.

As for "we must obey ALL laws", I thought that was dealt with at Nuremberg! Anti-pot laws are not founded in good logic or reason. For that reason they encourage disrespect for the law as a whole!

Politicians make laws. Politicians are flawed. The idea of giving carte blanche approval and respect to ALL laws died with Mulroney's government! Governments are simply not moral or competent enough to deserve such obedience. Government may have big cops with big clubs but those you should treat like any other set of bullies. You nod your head and say "Yowsuh!" while they are around and as soon as they leave go back to doing what you want!

Respect must be earned. If you have to demand it you no longer deserve it!

It is Prohibition, pure and simple. There are serious rumours that Miami drug lords have local and state politicians on the take to keep drugs ILLEGAL! This preserves the ridiculously high profit margins!

Personally, I can well believe it! Right now, a drug lord is rarely caught and he makes ZILLIONS! Why on earth would he ever want drugs legalized?

For such reasons, I am seriously suspicious of the motives behind many who are in favour of limiting their neighbour's choices. Some of it is simple "militant do-gooder" tactics, a la "Hawaiian missionaries". Perhaps most falls into this category. There is nothing more popular than telling your neighbour what he has to do, after all. Still, when it comes to money the idea of such "shills" makes sense.

Edited May 11, 2010 by Wild Bill