Conspiracy Theory

[maple_leafs182]

I'm going to throw a conspiracy theory to you guys and would like for you guys to debunk it.

What if politics/governments, religion, the banking, monetary and economic systems were implemented slowly threw time to control us. That what we believe to have happened threw out history was just to distract and keep the population entertained while a small group of people manipulated the world from behind the scenes.

I'm kind of saying like the Illuminati but who knows if it's stayed in the hands of one group the whole time or it has passed through different groups.

Are we that gullible to believe in lies like that.

Well how many religions are out there? They can't all be telling the truth, some of them have to be lying, chances are all of them are.

All this was inspired by the principle which is quite true within itself that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. - Adolf Hitler

So yes we will believe in big lies.

Then you see people like John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, people who start to give the power back to the people, they get assassinated.

Then I look at the present, Obama is saying everything is okay with the American economy meanwhile America is on the verge of a currency/credit crisis. Probably before Obama's term is up. So we are being fooled right now by a big lie, so it seems plausible that we've been lied threw out history.

I don't believe wars and poverty happen because of our nature, I think they are a result of the system or "matrix" if you will that controls us. I think a long time ago people realized how well the technique divide and conquer, and intimidation and fear worked for controlling population. Manipulating us subconsciously.

Am I really out of line here because I am really starting to believe it.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Am I really out of line here because I am really starting to believe it.

Not any more than anybody else who has becomed obsessed with the Matrix series of American science fiction motion pictures. Please purchase a black trenchcoat and dark sunglasses to complete the look. Other franchise products including comic books, video games, and anime are also available.

If it makes you feel any better, I think the Borg Queen is hot!

[eyeball]

Am I really out of line here because I am really starting to believe it.

Get a grip.

If anything the reality is probably more like the Cube. Blind banal stupidity rules.

[Sir Bandelot]

Blind banal stupidity rules.

I think reality is somewhere in between the two, ie. manipulations versus stupidity. In some cases History gets manipulated for political or personal gains. When it comes to wars, we've all heard the saying that "History is written by the victors". Then there's revisionism, which is a problem we have to deal with today. Unauthorized sources of information can promote lies, a big problem on the internet.

Machiavelli's book "The Prince" is a well known work from antiquity (1500's) that laid out an actual methodology for political leaders to use in deceiving the public. But how many of these attempted manipulations actually take place, and how many are successful? How many other events happen due to just stupid bad luck, or stupid choices made in the heat of passion. Its very hard to say. The Bay of Pigs fiasco would be one example of such large scale deceptions, as is the Reichstag fire (... if the stories are "true)

I think manipulations and lies are a necessary part of political and military domination, but they're not all that there is. It's very difficult to be able to control people and events involved to such an extent and get away with it.

Edited May 9, 2010 by Sir Bandelot

[eyeball]

There's no grand conspiracy, I think at worst there are networks of interests that are integrated in the way a school of piranha are. There maybe a lot of nodding and winking going on amongst them when times are good but they'll also take a chunk out of one another if need be.

I think there is an enormous amount of moral dissonance in the world that's driving people nuts. This is made even more acute when institutions people trust to make our world and society a functional place that makes sense, do something that seems completely contrary to their stated principles. Take the question "how could anyone (like a church, a financial sector or a shining beacon) do such a thing" for example. The inability to explain the really untoward things they do often leads to conspiracy theories that fill the gaps of reason and information that have accumulated throughout so much time (history) and space, given it's a big complicated and interconnected world out there.

Edited May 9, 2010 by eyeball

[Sir Bandelot]

There's no grand conspiracy, I think at worst there are networks of interests that are integrated in the way a school of piranha are. There maybe a lot of nodding and winking going on amongst them when times are good but they'll also take a chunk out of one another if need be.

When an organization such as financial allows such things to continue without stopping it, there is a belief that it was secretly known and permitted, at least by some of the key players. It's not necessarily an official secret policy of the organization as a whole, but manipulation by people of considerable influence. We could call these people criminals.

[Michael Hardner]

Fine, persuasion and politics exist. But if there`s a grand secret cabal that`s trying to control us - then why ? And why does it never come out definitively but instead only appears in a frame of comic-book intrigue ?

When people try to control a society it looks like North Korea - a closed society with little growth and no vibrancy. It doesn`t look like what we live in.

[Topaz]

The `power that be` you may find in this following article and if you google more on this family you will learn even more. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=840

[Pliny]

The `power that be` you may find in this following article and if you google more on this family you will learn even more. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=840

A conspiracy theory infers that a "secret" plan exists to some end. Control of the world is the apparent end of the grand, global conspiracy. Somehow control of the world is not a good thing. It means slavery for all of us. We should not, I guess, try and control populations and basically engineer the world. Who are the people behind the conspiracy? Apparently, there is a short list that originates in old banking and royal families, even Jews. They have formed "secret" organizations that have rites and rituals and make plans to rule the world.

Actually, rulers of the world are quite apparent, they are the UN, the IMF, the World Bank, the OECD, at least this is where global policy is seems to originate from.

There is no doubt that we don't know all the individuals involved in forming our global community structure. Not too many people have heard of Maurice Strong for instance. We don't know who influences policy or the reasons for the formulation of policy in 99% of the legislation or plans and programs created. If we look at the field of climate change we see there is concern form the top about carbon emissions. WE can expect regulation and treaties regarding the reduction of such. Nothing wrong with that in itself but pushing it to immediacy is resulting in stupid government regulation and economic programs and policies the public doesn't understand or want and from that the apparency of a conspiracy is forwarded by some. Really, most of what can be considered conspiracies are just the result of stupid policies and plans.

There is lots of which we are not made aware of mostly for the purpose of maintaining the structural heirarchy and ecomomic structure of the world. But a grand conspiracy of a secret cabal running the world is hardly likely. The people running the world are the people we see in the mainstream media who are actually running things. Some of them have entirely removed themselves from the process, like some of the Royal families of Europe, who still have great influence but don't like to be noted for their ability to influence the governmental process. I don't think that's a secret. It just isn't advertised.

Following the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Rothschilds, or other supposedly secret groups with a secret agenda to rule the world leads nowhere. There is a plan for world government. It exists in organizations like the UN. If you want to find out who is behind what and connect the dots you might be surprised but looking for a secret organization ruling the world is a red herring.

[Michael Hardner]

The `power that be` you may find in this following article and if you google more on this family you will learn even more. http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=840

Excuse me for skipping to the end of the article where it says:

There seems to be little doubt that the Rothschilds continue to influence the world economy, and it is known that they are squarely behind the movement to unite all the western European nations into a single political entity, which is just another step towards one-world government.

While the article itself doesn't (from what I read) directly say that there's a conspiracy to control the world, we have paragraphs such as the above that imply some kind of conspiracy. It's all nonsense, and it smacks of antisemitism too. The conspiracy is capitalism, and the same giants that are supposed to control the world make stupid mistakes year-in and year-out. For example, Montreal's Bronfman family is sometimes implicated in this group, so what part of their world scheme involved the family investing heavily in Hollywood and the internet and losing billions.

This is all comic book stuff.

[maple_leafs182]

The carbon tax would be the first world tax, once a government starts to generate a revenue it expands.

That would truly be world government.

They are just working towards centralizing power now, they already control us.

The second time I ever did mushrooms I came to the conclusion that all that matters in life is love. We are here to learn to love, that is our evolution. You won't hear a story like that on the news.

They keep us trapped in fear and greed.

They divide us, make us feel separate and alone, keep us fighting against each other.

They attack us subconsciously and the tube is their ultimate weapon. So many peoples truths come from what they see on T.V.

The war on terrorism, that is like declaring a war on wars. It can't be won, it is a perpetual war.

So it is kind of our fault for listening to them. They manipulate our reality but we give them the reality to manipulate. We need to change our reality.

[bush_cheney2004]

....So it is kind of our fault for listening to them. They manipulate our reality but we give them the reality to manipulate. We need to change our reality.

Which explains the mushrooms....you want to manipulate your own reality...but you shall not manipulate mine.

[Sir Bandelot]

The second time I ever did mushrooms I came to the conclusion that all that matters in life is love. We are here to learn to love, that is our evolution. You won't hear a story like that on the news.

Understanding that is a huge breakthrough in the personal, spiritual growth of the human being. I mean the human being, not human animal. Not everyone is ready to be receptive to that idea.

[Michael Hardner]

The carbon tax would be the first world tax, once a government starts to generate a revenue it expands.

That would truly be world government.

They are just working towards centralizing power now, they already control us.

This sort of blank platitude is found all through the 'new world order' comic book scare mongering. A few things come to mind:

1) Tax revenue doesn't always expand, nor do tax rates go up, nor are taxes popular or even tenable in the long term.

2) Tax rises don't usually benefit the wealthy, and in fact they often push for less government and lower taxes.

3) Taxes are unpopular, and often result in tax revolts which are democratic movements of free expression to

4) The UN is already a form of world government. Furthermore, the countries of the world are all governed separately today under treaties and alliances watched over by the UN.

5) The UN gives a voice to countries in the world that challenge the richest and most powerful nations, so presumably a world government would put more responsibility for more of the world's problems on the wealthiest nations.

The second time I ever did mushrooms I came to the conclusion that all that matters in life is love. We are here to learn to love, that is our evolution. You won't hear a story like that on the news.

I should hope not. Lloyd Robertson would probably keep his mushroom trips off the air, probably not even on his blog.

They keep us trapped in fear and greed.

They divide us, make us feel separate and alone, keep us fighting against each other.

They attack us subconsciously and the tube is their ultimate weapon. So many peoples truths come from what they see on T.V.

The war on terrorism, that is like declaring a war on wars. It can't be won, it is a perpetual war.

So it is kind of our fault for listening to them. They manipulate our reality but we give them the reality to manipulate. We need to change our reality.

You are a young poet full of lament and angst. This board doesn't seem like a good place to get such things heard. It's a place of numbers, logic and convention. You should go and find yourself.

[M.Dancer]

Could you fix the thread title and put an nut allergy warning up?

[Sir Bandelot]

You should go and find yourself.

I think he is doing that. Different people experience the reality of the world in completely different ways. Your views are pragmatic and developed perhaps after years of experience. But the person you are compared to who you were some time ago has changed. Everyone deserves to go through that process themselves.

But to Mapleleafs, while its true that certain drugs can open your eyes to different views of reality, I have found that real freedom comes from being able to understand and think through those views, without drugs.

[Michael Hardner]

I think he is doing that. Different people experience the reality of the world in completely different ways. Your views are pragmatic and developed perhaps after years of experience. But the person you are compared to who you were some time ago has changed. Everyone deserves to go through that process themselves.

I don't see this board changing his opinions. I read books at his age. I don't think I would have wanted to stay on a board like this.

[Sir Bandelot]

I don't see this board changing his opinions. I read books at his age. I don't think I would have wanted to stay on a board like this.

LOL, ok. I know where you're coming from!

Only reason I do still come here is I've learned how to blow it off.

I like learning about history and politics, and some members here can teach me a few things. Most of the others who think that they know everything already, simply cannot.

[Michael Hardner]

LOL, ok. I know where you're coming from!

Only reason I do still come here is I've learned how to blow it off.

I like learning about history and politics, and some members here can teach me a few things. Most of the others who think that they know everything already, simply cannot.

I only come here to learn, at the very base of it. But when I was younger, I was far more clever and didn't need to learn anything.

[maple_leafs182]

But to Mapleleafs, while its true that certain drugs can open your eyes to different views of reality, I have found that real freedom comes from being able to understand and think through those views, without drugs.

I've only done mushrooms 4 or 5 times.

I have a different view, I believe psychedelic drugs are here to excel our evolution.

Might not be the most popular theory but if people are allowed to believe in an invisible god in the sky then i'm allowed to believe that.

I think plants and animals work together in many ways.

I don't claim I know everything nor am I forcing my beliefs on anyone.

They are taking down the world economy now.

A world depression is already occurring, this isn't the worst of it, everything will come toppling down.

These riots in Greece are going to happen world wide as the global economy comes crashing down.

It isn't a theory it will happen.

The gods in charge don't care about us, they never have.

Millions will be forced to live on the street. When we see all this pain and destruction that will occur, I hope we finally come to our senses and realize this is not the way it should be.

Random fact, 90% of the casualties in the Iraq and Afghanistan are civilians. People just like us being murdered. How is everyone okay with this, does it have to happen to a close family member for us to start to care. Their blood is on our hands.

I believe there is more to life then just putting food on our plates.

All we need to do is cut the anchors from our hearts and we'll be set free.

I only come here to learn, at the very base of it. But when I was younger, I was far more clever and didn't need to learn anything.

If you want to learn be open minded to every possibility.

Edited May 10, 2010 by maple_leafs182

[Michael Hardner]

If you want to learn be open minded to every possibility.

Oh, yes... I have had to reluctantly accept many things that were previously distasteful to me. Some come to mind:

the desirability of workfare as opposed to welfare

the charter of rights and freedoms being too open-ended to be a solid foundation for laws

the requirement to surrender some freedoms in order to retain security

that humankind is almost a perfect balance of selflessness and selfishness and that our best systems reflect this and leverage it

[Yesterday]

In regards to the conspiracy theory, as I go through the various world organizations, really, world government is being simply reformed and expanded, it has always been a factor of world trade and perhaps with firm leadership and concepts (of which I have found none yet myself) could extend to the private sector and not just the commercial sector and greatly enhance the quality of life for everyone (good grief, who am I trying to kid?). Perhaps an issue with this would be is it a Socialist or Communist platform.

Kind of makes me wonder if there would be any comparisons to be drawn about the role of transparency in the fall of the Soviet Union and the role of conspiracy theory perhaps as a false front to get truth out in the face of lovely devices such as the Patriot's Act in the US (Little Soviet or are they DVD Deutch bags?). Socialist/Communist they are all buggers. Perhaps Nixon should also come to mind. Disinformation baby.

[Oleg Bach]

Could you fix the thread title and put an nut allergy warning up?

Facing reality takes a brave mind and strong heart..calling someone a nut shows cowardice..it is the easy and slick rhetorical. Surprised you have not used the common line "take your meds" - that one always shows a dedicated and scared systems person.

CONSPIRACY or conspire simply means to "breathe together" as one entity - one force..if two people go into partnership to do business and plan to overwhelm the competition,,,THAT is a conspiracy - nothing theoretical about it. We are so conditioned- that when we hear the term conspiracy..we thing that it equates to mental illness - and out come the tin foil hats...Of course they conspire - to control the herd..why would they NOT - ambitious men who lust for ultimate power and supposed success will stop at nothing to achieve their goals.

Conspiracy can be inter-generational. I will give you an example. Say there is a powerful investment banker..who has great quiet control over government and the courts and the medical system...not to mention social policy involving the poor or non-compliant..I saw such a case..then I did some research regarding the roots of said person...His father was also a powerful business type.. Then I traveled back in time to about 1957...and I noticed that the guys dad was involved in social issues - regarding charity.

Originally there was a charitable system called the Community Chest - Benevolent Jewish and Christian woman would go about the community suppling men with cash and food to feed their families if that man lost his job or quit his job..this allowed the man to take the next step and perhaps take work that was less oppressive - where he could raise himself up and not be a total slave.

Getting back to the big business factor..High ranking business types wanted more power over the working force - so they conspired openly..they removed and displace the ladies that were "to kind" to the workers and the poor - they took it upon themselves to create the agency system - United Way - Childrens Aid - Ontario Works etc...These agencies were now under the control and influence of big business..in fact they became a business..Look at Harris who in 1996 destroyed what was left of the charity system - forcing the poor and disenfranchised to do what they were told - by big business _ NOT by government - but by private rich people - who wanted as much social power as possible.

Was this a conspiracy? Of course it was - but it was implemented in increments over time..OUR social policies are now by design to serve a certain class - to enrich them and keep their very complex system going - LOOK at our welfare system - half of the clients are forced to put their energetic sons on Ritalin - and half the adults are addicted to Oxycodone...not to mention billions of dollars of tax payers money to supply the poor with anti-depressants - the tax payer pays for all this crap - and the money goes to big business in the form of profit - It is actually quite the money laundering system - and totally parasitic..

Call me a nut -but I have given this a lot of thought - and not through my own choice...of course they conspire to control - the investment banker said " I lead by following" - in other words he herds the herd-- and the bureaucrats along with duped laws enforcement - unknowing assist in this sinister bit of social engineering - but in the end the ambitious men rule the world - but it becomes totally grey and utilitarian . They have total control and don't have a clue what to do with us prisoners...so in essence they that try to gain total control also become prisoners in golden chains...so here we are..all of us with no real freedom because of earthly ambition and an uncontrolable lust to dominate your fellow man.

[Yesterday]

Facing reality takes a brave mind and strong heart..calling someone a nut shows cowardice..it is the easy and slick rhetorical. Surprised you have not used the common line "take your meds" - that one always shows a dedicated and scared systems person.

CONSPIRACY or conspire simply means to "breathe together" as one entity - one force..if two people go into partnership to do business and plan to overwhelm the competition,,,THAT is a conspiracy - nothing theoretical about it. We are so conditioned- that when we hear the term conspiracy..we thing that it equates to mental illness - and out come the tin foil hats...Of course they conspire - to control the herd..why would they NOT - ambitious men who lust for ultimate power and supposed success will stop at nothing to achieve their goals.

Conspiracy can be inter-generational. I will give you an example. Say there is a powerful investment banker..who has great quiet control over government and the courts and the medical system...not to mention social policy involving the poor or non-compliant..I saw such a case..then I did some research regarding the roots of said person...His father was also a powerful business type.. Then I traveled back in time to about 1957...and I noticed that the guys dad was involved in social issues - regarding charity.

Originally there was a charitable system called the Community Chest - Benevolent Jewish and Christian woman would go about the community suppling men with cash and food to feed their families if that man lost his job or quit his job..this allowed the man to take the next step and perhaps take work that was less oppressive - where he could raise himself up and not be a total slave.

Getting back to the big business factor..High ranking business types wanted more power over the working force - so they conspired openly..they removed and displace the ladies that were "to kind" to the workers and the poor - they took it upon themselves to create the agency system - United Way - Childrens Aid - Ontario Works etc...These agencies were now under the control and influence of big business..in fact they became a business..Look at Harris who in 1996 destroyed what was left of the charity system - forcing the poor and disenfranchised to do what they were told - by big business _ NOT by government - but by private rich people - who wanted as much social power as possible.

Was this a conspiracy? Of course it was - but it was implemented in increments over time..OUR social policies are now by design to serve a certain class - to enrich them and keep their very complex system going - LOOK at our welfare system - half of the clients are forced to put their energetic sons on Ritalin - and half the adults are addicted to Oxycodone...not to mention billions of dollars of tax payers money to supply the poor with anti-depressants - the tax payer pays for all this crap - and the money goes to big business in the form of profit - It is actually quite the money laundering system - and totally parasitic..

Call me a nut -but I have given this a lot of thought - and not through my own choice...of course they conspire to control - the investment banker said " I lead by following" - in other words he herds the herd-- and the bureaucrats along with duped laws enforcement - unknowing assist in this sinister bit of social engineering - but in the end the ambitious men rule the world - but it becomes totally grey and utilitarian . They have total control and don't have a clue what to do with us prisoners...so in essence they that try to gain total control also become prisoners in golden chains...so here we are..all of us with no real freedom because of earthly ambition and an uncontrolable lust to dominate your fellow man.

I don't think you are a nut. What these aforementioned groups conspire to control/keep intact is the fractional reserve banking going on around the world. Perhaps too they conspire to not have the world in general know we are fighting a currency war across the developed countries. Is it true that Japan sold the first CDO...?

[GostHacked]

The Power of Nightmares.

Mapleleaf dude.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Curtis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Power_of_Nightmares

I highly suggest watching this series, and if you like it go on to his others.

I have only seen The Trap, The Power of Nightmares, and The Century of the Self.

You might find some answers there.