Mosque going up in NYC building

[Machjo]

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT.

Has that sunk in yet??

So we agree. And I also agree that seeing that some have made this a contentious issue, maybe it's not so wise to build there anymore. The local Muslim, Jewish, and other communities that had given their blessings to the project had obviously miscalculated the general population.

[Guest American Woman]

So we agree. And I also agree that seeing that some have made this a contentious issue, maybe it's not so wise to build there anymore. The local Muslim, Jewish, and other communities that had given their blessings to the project had obviously miscalculated the general population.

We AGREED on their right to build there over 1000 posts ago!!!!!!!!

[bush_cheney2004]

How come no one cares about the Muslims prayers going on at the Pentagon? Last time I checked it was hit on 9/11 to.

Because it's irrelevant....see Chaplain Corps:

http://www.usafhc.af.mil/

[Machjo]

Not to my way of thinking, but to yours it does. Gays simply don't have to get married in the church. They simply have to choose not to be Christians. End of problem. Eh?

Bingo. Same with Muslims. No one is forcing them to be Muslim, or at least should not be anyway as per US laws.

[Guest American Woman]

Bingo. Same with Muslims. No one is forcing them to be Muslim, or at least should not be anyway as per US laws.

Good to see how tolerant you are. You're soooo tolerant that you tolerate intolerance. Good for you. I'm just glad equal rights issues weren't determined by the likes of you.

[DogOnPorch]

And? The city didn't grant it heritage status. That's just the way it is, unless people can get them to change their mind. I know this isn't really about a building.

It doesn't matter how close it is. What does that have to do with it? Where would it have to be to be far enough away?

My point is that it's not like poor Mr Rauf is mosqueless. At some point he and his congregation felt the building on Warren just didn't do Islam proud enough. But a $100 million monument named after the capital of conquered Islamic Spain built on the site of a building ACTUALLY damaged during 9-11...now that sends a statement.

Edited August 8, 2010 by DogOnPorch

[Guest American Woman]

My point is that it's not like poor Mr Rauf is mosqueless. At some point he and his congregation felt the building on Warren just didn't do Islam proud enough. But a $100 million monument named after the capital of conquered Islamic Sapin built on a building ACTUALLY damaged during 9-11...now that sends a statement.

He made it political. Pure and simple.

[Machjo]

Good to see how tolerant you are. You're soooo tolerant that you tolerate intolerance. Good for you. I'm just glad equal rights issues weren't determined by the likes of you.

So let me get this straight. You'd actually want to make it law that a local church would be required to marry same-sex couples? And what about the few churches that require women to cover their heads during mass? And what about requiring the Catholic Church to ordain priests?

Heck, in Canada we could even force the church to provide services in French and English.

For cryin' out loud, we can make it into a government institution with Charter rights applying all the way.

[Machjo]

He made it political. Pure and simple.

And the fish bit.

[DogOnPorch]

He made it political. Pure and simple.

In spades. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. The name WASN'T an accident. The location NOT random.

[DogOnPorch]

And the fish bit.

And the enablers enabled.

[Guest American Woman]

So let me get this straight. You'd actually want to make it law that a local church would be required to marry same-sex couples? And what about the few churches that require women to cover their heads during mass? And what about requiring the Catholic Church to ordain priests?

As long as they expect tax exemption from the government, I sure as hell do want all that.

Heck, in Canada we could even force the church to provide services in French and English.

Go for it. If you see that as the same thing as segregation of one sex, based solely on their sex, purposely giving them crappier conditions because of their sex, then I suggest you support it.

But if, by chance, you grow a brain, you might want to reconsider.

[DogOnPorch]

So let me get this straight. You'd actually want to make it law that a local church would be required to marry same-sex couples? And what about the few churches that require women to cover their heads during mass? And what about requiring the Catholic Church to ordain priests?

Heck, in Canada we could even force the church to provide services in French and English.

For cryin' out loud, we can make it into a government institution with Charter rights applying all the way.

Just remove the tax-exempt status and we'll see how many actual churches et al are left standing.

[Guest American Woman]

In spades. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing. The name WASN'T an accident. The location NOT random.

He said it wasn't random. Other Muslims can see that it wasn't random. There's no way it was random. At least public opinion drove him to change the name.

[Machjo]

As long as they expect tax exemption from the government, I sure as hell do want all that.

Actually, they are taxed indirectly. Each cent you give to any charity, religious or otherwise, has been taxed already. It's called income tax. And each cent they then spend will be taxed again. It's called a consumption tax. So why should religious charities be treated differently from any other charity. Every cent they get has been taxed already.

[DogOnPorch]

He said it wasn't random. Other Muslims can see that it wasn't random. There's no way it was random. At least public opinion drove him to change the name.

He came up with such a name. What was that about leopards and spots again?

[Shady]

He made it political. Pure and simple.

Exactly. Building a mosque at ground zero also makes a political statement, not just religious. I think that area should be apolitical.

[Machjo]

Just remove the tax-exempt status and we'll see how many actual churches et al are left standing.

Why not treat them like any other charitable organization?

[DogOnPorch]

It might also be worth noting that they put the boots to the London 'Olympic' mosque when they found out WHO was actually footing the bill.

[bush_cheney2004]

Actually, they are taxed indirectly. Each cent you give to any charity, religious or otherwise, has been taxed already. It's called income tax. And each cent they then spend will be taxed again. It's called a consumption tax. So why should religious charities be treated differently from any other charity. Every cent they get has been taxed already.

You are misinformed about US tax law. Please see a capable American to have it explained to you.

[Guest American Woman]

Actually, they are taxed indirectly. Each cent you give to any charity, religious or otherwise, has been taxed already. It's called income tax.

Ummmm. No. It's not. It's called a tax exemption, and each cent we give to any charity, religious or otherwise, is tax exempt.

And each cent they then spend will be taxed again. It's called a consumption tax. So why should religious charities be treated differently from any other charity. Every cent they get has been taxed already.

Again, if they can discriminate based on sex, they best not expect to be included as a "charity." What other charity do you know of that gets away with ignoring equal rights set by the government?

[Machjo]

You are misinformed about US tax law. Please see a capable American to have it explained to you.

If they have tax breaks other charities don't get, then I can certainly agree with it.

[Guest American Woman]

If they have tax breaks other charities don't get, then I can certainly agree with it.

Other charities have to abide by equal rights laws. You seriously don't get that?? They can't discriminate against women.

[DogOnPorch]

Why not treat them like any other charitable organization?

A group that believes in invisible omnipotent beings? They can do their good works on their own dime. True charity.

[Machjo]

Other charities have to abide by equal rights laws. You seriously don't get that?? They can't discriminate against women.

Then just remove the tax exempt status and leave it be.