Car Bomb found in Times Square

[bush_cheney2004]

Your anonymous credentials impress me, but they're nothing compared to me mums'. Besides, that doesn't mean you have a clue what a carbomb aftermath looks like. In fact, it would kind of prove you don't.

Well, we certainly know that you have zero experience in any such matter. Inspections for car bombs is standard procedure for US military bases, government facilities access points, etc. The whole idea is not to see the aftermath of a vehicle explosion...DUH!

[bush_cheney2004]

...I fear that we in the West are about to live in a world that Israelis and Beirutis know only too well.

I don't think the "West" will have the chronic motives and supporters for sustained attacks. And it's not like there isn't a long history of domestic bombings from many groups or violent individuals. Hell, we used to make pipe bombs just for fun to blow up mailboxes!

Edited May 3, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[BubberMiley]

Well, we certainly know that you have zero experience in any such matter.

But we also know I'm not so alarmingly naive to think that people would accept any information on the internet that can't be verified. When you have no name, you have no resume.

[bush_cheney2004]

But we also know I'm not so alarmingly naive to think that people would accept any information on the internet that can't be verified. When you have no name, you have no resume.

That's fine by me....members can believe as they please. Anybody can check out my "information" starting with the Anarchist's Cookbook, which we also used for training tips. Blowing shit up is very good practical experience when your job involves the prevention of same.

I have to remember that young kids like you never had to use paper or stick matches to light your dope, or the mischief possible with those match heads!

[August1991]

I don't think the "West" will have the chronic motives and supporters for sustained attacks.

I don't think that you quite understand this, bush/cheney.

You don't understand Israel/Lebanon, you don't understand terrorism, and you don't understand ordinary people.

For starters, you might look at the French/British response to terrorist attacks (eg IRA). Then you might consider Trudeau's invocation of the War Measures Act.

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BTW, I am more concerned about what thia supposed attack augurs for the future.

Edited May 3, 2010 by August1991

[bush_cheney2004]

I don't think that you quite understand this, bush/cheney.

I don't understand many of your projected conclusions.

You don't understand Israel/Lebanon, you don't understand terrorism, and you don't understand ordinary people.

Of course not...you are the self proclaimed expert. Terrorism is not new on this continent.

For starters, you might look at the French/British response to terrorist attacks (eg IRA). Then you might consider Trudeau's invocation of the War Measures Act.

And you might consider the SLA, Weather Underground, KKK, JDL, ALF, Unabomber, Terry McVeigh, and the response of the FBI.

BTW, I am more concerned about what thia supposed attack augurs for the future.

Of course...anybody who was suprised by 9/11 attacks will be equally shocked by new events, despite the long history of such attacks in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_the_United_States#Attacks_by_type

Edited May 3, 2010 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest American Woman]

Years ago, in Beirut, I asked a woman how she lived with a civil war and all these rumours.

She answered, "You Canadians know about snowstorms. You listen to the radio and you live with them. In Lebanon, the civil war is the same. On some days, we simply didn't go out. On other days, we chose a different route."

But how was anyone to know that there was going to be an attempted bombing in Times Square that day? There was no warning; no one knew "not to go out that day" or to "choose a different route."

At any rate, it sounds as if the authorities might know who they are looking for:

Federal authorities have identified person of interest in Saturday night's car bomb attempt in New York City's Times Square, Fox News confirms.

The person is a naturalized American citizen who was in Pakistan for several months and returned to the United States recently, though the person's identity has not been made public. link

[sharkman]

But if things worsen and terrorists are making attempts every week or two as in other countries, the people would learn to deal with it.

Mind you, I disagree with August somewhat, I don't think it'll ever become as common in the US. And I hope I'm not wrong.

[Bonam]

Difference between the US and countries that have incessant terrorism is that the US would never stand for it, I don't think. Better to bomb the hell out of every Muslim country than to suffer constant attacks on American civilians would be the prevalent thinking in Washington, if it ever came to it. Might help, might not, but the world would certainly feel America's wrath if terrorism in the US became more common.

[bush_cheney2004]

Difference between the US and countries that have incessant terrorism is that the US would never stand for it, I don't think. Better to bomb the hell out of every Muslim country than to suffer constant attacks on American civilians would be the prevalent thinking in Washington, if it ever came to it. Might help, might not, but the world would certainly feel America's wrath if terrorism in the US became more common.

Very true...if there is to be jihad...then the Americans will make it a jihad to remember. Just ask the Japanese.

[Bonam]

More info:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/suspect-in-nyc-car-bomb-arrested-at-jfk-airport-while-trying-to-leave-country/article1555689/

The suspect was arrested trying to leave the country. As many expected, a Muslim, this time from Pakistan.

[waldo]

More info:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/suspect-in-nyc-car-bomb-arrested-at-jfk-airport-while-trying-to-leave-country/article1555689/

The suspect was arrested trying to leave the country. As many expected, a Muslim, this time from Pakistan.

ah ha! A naturalized U.S. citizen from Connecticut... who just recently visited Long Island NY. I trust apologies are in order from all those who were suspecting teabaggers were behind this. Hey now... terrorist plot foiled on Obama's watch!

[Handsome Rob]

Difference between the US and countries that have incessant terrorism is that the US would never stand for it, I don't think. Better to bomb the hell out of every Muslim country than to suffer constant attacks on American civilians would be the prevalent thinking in Washington, if it ever came to it. Might help, might not, but the world would certainly feel America's wrath if terrorism in the US became more common.

I'd venture if confirmed Islamic attacks became common place in the united states, it would become a very unpopular place for muslims to live, and a lot of them, regardless of guilt or innocence, would end up getting shot.

Sort of like post 9/11 on steroids.

[bush_cheney2004]

I'd venture if confirmed Islamic attacks became common place in the united states, it would become a very unpopular place for muslims to live, and a lot of them, regardless of guilt or innocence, would end up getting shot.

Yup...that's why we sell ammunition at WalMart.

[waldo]

Yup...that's why we sell ammunition at WalMart.

hee haw! Gonna get me sum!... wait now... Rhasida, they don't sell ammo in your Saskatchewan WallyWorlds

[Guest American Woman]

I'd venture if confirmed Islamic attacks became common place in the united states, it would become a very unpopular place for muslims to live, and a lot of them, regardless of guilt or innocence, would end up getting shot.

Sort of like post 9/11 on steroids.

Because of course so many Muslims living in the U.S. ended up getting shot after 9-11.

[Shady]

MSNBC's Contessa Brewer - I'm Sorry Times Square Suspect Has Islamic Ties

Sounds like she's pretty disappointed there wasn't a Tea Party connection. This is all you need to know about the mainstream media.

[Handsome Rob]

Because of course so many Muslims living in the U.S. ended up getting shot after 9-11.

I didn't think it was a far fetched escalation

[Shady]

I didn't think it was a far fetched escalation

No, it absolutely is far fetched. After 911, there was very little backlash against Muslims or people of Middle Eastern descent.

[Bob]

Because of course so many Muslims living in the U.S. ended up getting shot after 9-11.

I think, if anything, the USA is a very bleeding-heart country. Look at how carefully many politicians, government employees, and the media walked on eggshells with the whole Major Nidal Hassan mass murderer. When the rational among us were strongly inclined to believe that this was an example of domestic Islamic terrorism as the story was breaking, I remember seeing people all over the news exercise absurd degrees of political correctness. I even remember Obama fumbling with this story by cracking some jokes as some Native American conference the day it occurred even AFTER he had heard of the events, before he went on to address the massacre. I remember media-types speculating that Hassan was suffering from PTSD, although he hadn't ever been deployed.... then there was speculation that he was suffering from indirect PTSD that he developed through his treatments of soldiers who availed themselves of his psychiatric treatment. It was an absurd display of widespread American fear or hesitation towards saying things that might be viewed as prejudiced towards Muslims by certain groups (i.e. ACLU, CAIR).

The exact same bleeding-heart American mentality is evident with the whole issue of illegal immigration, where advocating tighter border security and enforcement is often labelled as "racist".

Within a few days, it was revealed that this sense of political correctness could be viewed as a contributing factor in allowing this man to get to where he was (there were many warning signs of his extremist political/religious view that he displayed throughout his military education and career which were ignored). That's just one example of what I see as a widespread sense of extreme political correctness within the USA.

I think the same degree of political correctness exists up here, also. So to the Americans in here - we Canadians also suffer from the mental disorder known as "political correctness"!

[Guest American Woman]

American Woman, on 04 May 2010 - 09:32 AM, said: Because of course so many Muslims living in the U.S. ended up getting shot after 9-11.

I didn't think it was a far fetched escalation

I must be missing it..... Could you point out how many of those people were shot?

[Guest American Woman]

I think, if anything, the USA is a very bleeding-heart country. Look at how carefully many politicians, government employees, and the media walked on eggshells with the whole Major Nidal Hassan mass murderer. When the rational among us were strongly inclined to believe that this was an example of domestic Islamic terrorism as the story was breaking, I remember seeing people all over the news exercise absurd degrees of political correctness.

I don't think that's an example of being a "bleeding heart," it's more an example of being PC, as you also said, which I believe are two different things.

I think there is a fear of coming across as biased against all Muslims, and I think the mind-set of the poster saying Americans would shoot Muslims in the U.S. if we experienced more car bombs is the reason why; it's that mentality, that type of accusation, that makes the media/government feel as if they have to be oh-so-PC about these things. Granted they should be careful as to what they say while a story is breaking, but once the facts become clear, there should be no fear of calling something exactly what it is.

The exact same bleeding-heart American mentality is evident with the whole issue of illegal immigration, where advocating tighter border security and enforcement is often labelled as "racist".

I don't think "the USA" sees advocating tighter border security and enforcement as "racist." Some do, I'm sure, but I don't think it's the prevailing feeling here, and I don't think the government has any qualms about tightening the border/security.

Within a few days, it was revealed that this sense of political correctness could be viewed as a contributing factor in allowing this man to get to where he was (there were many warning signs of his extremist political/religious view that he displayed throughout his military education and career which were ignored). That's just one example of what I see as a widespread sense of extreme political correctness within the USA.

I won't argue with you there. But again, I'm not so sure the reason for it is a bleeding heart mentality. I don't think it's because they feel oh-so-much for the person involved; it's a fear of criticism, which is a different matter.

I think the same degree of political correctness exists up here, also. So to the Americans in here - we Canadians also suffer from the mental disorder known as "political correctness"!

I think there's too much concern with PC in both of our nations, no doubt about it.

[Handsome Rob]

I must be missing it..... Could you point out how many of those people were shot?

OK...the original statement may have been a tad bit too sensationalized, but within the context of extrapolating a nation where the christmas day bomber happens once per month? Is it really that far-fetched?

[bush_cheney2004]

OK...the original statement may have been a tad bit too sensationalized, but within the context of extrapolating a nation where the christmas day bomber happens once per month? Is it really that far-fetched?

Americans shoot each other on a regular basis for all kinds of reasons...no big deal to add suspected terrorists to the list!

[August1991]

AW, I suggest that you look at Sharkman's response. This is what I meant:

But if things worsen and terrorists are making attempts every week or two as in other countries, the people would learn to deal with it.

Mind you, I disagree with August somewhat, I don't think it'll ever become as common in the US. And I hope I'm not wrong.

I too hope you're right, and in any case, I'm reminded of a Bogart line in Casablanca - "Well there are certain sections of New York, Major, that I wouldn't advise you to try to invade." (I was not surprised to learn that a Vietnam vet, a guy selling stuff on the street, took the iniative to report the SUV.)

People in Quebec lived through the War Measures Act and the British lived through various IRA bombings. In part because of the Nazi blitzkrieg in Poland in 1939, I think some people falsely perceive "war" as an all out battle. Most wars are not fought that way and whenever I have spoken to people who lived through wars, even Russians who lived through World War II, I am surprised how often "normal" life went on.

I think, if anything, the USA is a very bleeding-heart country. Look at how carefully many politicians, government employees, and the media walked on eggshells with the whole Major Nidal Hassan mass murderer.

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I even remember Obama fumbling with this story by cracking some jokes as some Native American conference the day it occurred even AFTER he had heard of the events, before he went on to address the massacre. I remember media-types speculating that Hassan was suffering from PTSD, although he hadn't ever been deployed....

There are good, decent, pious Muslims. Please don't generalize. Please don't jump to conclusions.

As to Obama, I recall him unfortunately jumping to a conclusion about a Boston police officer and Harvard university professor.

Political correctness is an ignorant extreme version of a very good western invention: the scientific method. And the scientific method means questioning bland generalizations to discover the truth.

Edited May 5, 2010 by August1991