British Petroleum....had better cough up the cash!

Shady · June 3, 2010

Why should these nuts get anymore oil from this particular well?

It's about stopping the leak. Drilling a relief well is the only sure way of stopping it. I don't care if they get any more oil from this well. And at least if they make more profits, it can be used to clean up the oil, and pay for people's damages. If you bankrupt BP, there ain't no more corporation to pay for anything. And everybody gets nothing.

Oleg Bach · June 3, 2010

The world will not recoup enough from BP to even make a small dent in this destruction. These people are super cheap. They are not like us, not normal or benevolent - these are barbaric profiteers. The gulf may become a dead sea, a barren underwater waste land..how are you going to reverse that. BP likes to drop huge numbers showing the expense of the clean up..as if we will be impressed at how much they are hurting..these folks feel no pain or sympathy let alone apathy.

They have one rule - take!

Also...to show the gushing monster 24 7 to the public is a form of terrorism..it would have been better not to torment us... whether by intent or not - aware or not - the effects are the same..this is terrorism and America and the world is taking it up the ass as per usual.

No one will learn from this..to poison the food supply is the core issue - If you had a choice to make that was life and death...what would you pick?

FOOD OR FUEL? that is the real question - you can survive without gas but not with out life sustaining food..this is an attack against nature and life itself---

Forget about that double speak Orwellian word "environment" - this is an attack against the earth..which in effect is our God.

Oleg Bach · June 6, 2010

The corporate governance sure has clever lawyers and PR people - look! suddenly it is the all the fault of the fire department..I guess that some common guy with a water hose is NOW going to take the blame for the sinking of the rig.

AND WHAT THE FU*K? There is more poison coming out since there great successful caping of this monster.You would almost suspect that someone is getting a great thrill out of all the mayhem and physcic terror that is being inflicted on us through media - and the catch phrases ....sure is depressing.

All politicans are big oil - oil is the blood of the machine we live in - as for Obama - he was but in place by big oil - as are ALL leaders..he can pander to us - he can act tough but they can fire his ass in a moment...so it is all for not.

This buisness about protecting "shore lines" is bizzare - once you have a dead sea all the clean sand will mean nothing. This incident shows how passive we all are an how Mammon rules - even if money is killing us as a tradtion we still stick to it even if it makes no sense at all to continue to be loyal to the god Mammon.

Personally the distress caused by this tragic event is akin to a slow motion nuclear attack - the talking heads are smiling like idots- and very intrigued by technology - as if it is a savour..evidently it is not. Fat Allen - or what ever his name is like to use the term "production" when it comes to retrieving about 10 percent of the leak...what the hell? Production or attemting to suck up a few bucks should not come into play - reminds me of a vampire that has bitten so deep into the neck of mother earth that most of the blood flow is going down his chin as he eats while slowly drowning in blood.

BP are like bragging English school boys as they toss around huge numbers concerning money spent - remember to these guys a billion is like ten bucks to us. All their purchased human resourse and brain power is a total failure - I have noticed that the super rich surround themselves with brain power that has sold it's soul for money..and status..The problem with these "best minds" is that they are NOT the best - the best do not sell themselves to the highest bidder.

Oleg Bach · June 6, 2010

ALSO; As we all watch the interaction between corporatism and government - we will all finally understand the big picture and how it works - that unelected people are calling the shots...there is no democratic scenario here - you will ALL understand what I have been talking about since I joined this site..that all power is conducted in secrecy..that money rules - that high up the food chain it is not about money but about domination. Once we get past the money thing as this elite has then we can stand on equal ground and deal with this thing - as long as we sit like rats waiting for the proverbial trickle down effect..we will remain helpless - and also - do NOT get emotional - they prey on our emotions and feed off of the distress..give them what they gave to us as far as respect and credibity -------------NOTHING..Hold your ground and put these pitiful inbreed big eared dogs in their place - this is OUR planet and they are invaders of the lowest parasitic kind - strong words you say? It is time for strong - weak and submissive will not cut it - I don't care if it makes you broke standing up for natural and human rights...

Those who try to save their lives will lose them - those who are fearless and ready to lose everything will have everything - the meek will inherit the earth..once they put aside fear.

Oleg Bach · June 6, 2010

How does it feel to know that our system is corrupt and destructive from the bottom to the top? Welcome to CLUB ALLIENATION...You will adjust - and YOU will surive - and YOU will rule - as every woman is a Queen - and every man a King - and every child a prince and princess..

You have now just entered the brave new world of freedom - use it or lose it ...and forgive the idiots at BP - they are a waste of valuable real estate in the mind. Move forward.

GostHacked · June 6, 2010

It's about stopping the leak. Drilling a relief well is the only sure way of stopping it. I don't care if they get any more oil from this well. And at least if they make more profits, it can be used to clean up the oil, and pay for people's damages. If you bankrupt BP, there ain't no more corporation to pay for anything. And everybody gets nothing.

If it was about stopping the leak, they would have done what they could early on and sealed it. The fact they are still trying to get a plan in place to siphon the oil off, they can still try and make money off this well.

BP does not give a shit about the environmental damage. Only money.

Shady · June 6, 2010

If it was about stopping the leak, they would have done what they could early on and sealed it.

You're a complete idiot. If they could have sealed it early on, they would have. You obviously have no clue. The issue was how do seal it. You don't just do it with words.

punked · June 6, 2010

You're a complete idiot. If they could have sealed it early on, they would have. You obviously have no clue. The issue was how do seal it. You don't just do it with words.

Going to have to agree with Shady on this one. They don't know how to seal leaks in either Shallow or Deep water outside of drilling relief wells. Might be the reason why their should BE MORE REGULATION of of shore oil drilling.

Drill baby Drill right Shady? Who cares if we don't know how to stop a well in water that blows out.

WIP · June 6, 2010

Going to have to agree with Shady on this one. They don't know how to seal leaks in either Shallow or Deep water outside of drilling relief wells. Might be the reason why their should BE MORE REGULATION of of shore oil drilling.

Drill baby Drill right Shady? Who cares if we don't know how to stop a well in water that blows out.

Watching the Sunday news shows today, it's fascinating watching so many Republican politicians and talking heads demanding federal government action to stop the Gulf Disaster. These were the same guys who wanted to shrink the federal government, get government out of the way of business, deregulate business, and cap corporate liability under the guise of tort reform.....drill baby drill indeed.

Well, now the chickens have come home to roost. The same Republicans degraded the effectiveness of other federal agencies (remember "Brownie" the equestrian judge who was put in charge of FEMA!), so should we be surprised that the Minerals Mismanagement Service were accepting cocaine and hookers, along with the usual sports events tickets, to rubber stamp approval of whatever offshore operations the big oil companies wanted to undertake?

What I'm waiting for now is an apology from libertarians and so called fiscal conservatives, for shrinking government to the point where it cannot effectively monitor corporate malfeasance, or provide adequate services for the growing underclass of people who are falling below the poverty line.....so far, I'm not seeing any concern on the right that maybe they allowed corporations to get to big, too rich, too influential with their money, and defanged the only institution that is equipped to prevent these artificial legal persons from turning a mixed economy back into the feudal societies we emerged from a few centuries ago.

Right now, my hopes will either be restored or dashed depending on whether the Obama Administration realizes that they have to do the right thing this time, and follow Robert Reich's advice and put BP into temporary receivership. And it's not just a matter of getting accurate information and getting the company to do all it can to aid areas that are already affected by oil -- over the weekend, information started leaking out that BP's scheduled dividend payment later this month will be in the 10 billion dollar range...equal to last year's! Sorry BP shareholders big and small, But until we know that your investment has given its last drop of blood and pound of flesh to pay for the disaster they've created, NO DIVIDENDS should be payed out period.

Oleg Bach · June 7, 2010

When share holders have a share in something that has cost the world a huge loss - no gain should take place - It is immoral and impractical to reward wrong doing and or mistakes done by the inept, irresponsible and the socially dis-connected. No one seems to get the big picture - this is a failure due to addiction.

The idea that the oil rig was sunk by the fire control people is silly..rigs should be designed not to sink - how does water manage to get into the top of the huge metal tanks that float the vessel?

BUT just like Haiti..this will soon leave the media stream..but the effects will torment and discourage progress for a generation..the south end of the states is now altered..socially and economically - as I mentioned this is very similar to a limited slow motion nuclear strike - Yet...the survival instincts seem to be numbed by arrogance that is seated in the too big to fail concept..AMERICA is not to big to fail..there is a rot that stems from addiction to oil - drugs - booze and cash..time to wake up and create a real empire not one based in making the majority as delluded and stupid as institutionally possible.

Oleg Bach · June 7, 2010

If it was about stopping the leak, they would have done what they could early on and sealed it. The fact they are still trying to get a plan in place to siphon the oil off, they can still try and make money off this well.

BP does not give a shit about the environmental damage. Only money.

Us common folk think these people are like us and money is an issue - these folks are way past money - it means nothing to them..they are hard wired to take the place of domination within society - and ruining nature gives them a thrill seeing that it causes human suffering - It is like when the big dogs wage war-- it does not matter if the good guys or the bad guys are killed - as long as someone dies or is suffering give them a sense of being super humans ...I know for a fact that when a person is dealing with units of cash that stretch off into the billions - that it is not about money - it is about total success..and with that totality grows and anti-social abusive mind. I believe it is a term called crimminal.

Oleg Bach · June 7, 2010

Oh, you mean his lying. Even the Washington Post had a story about his incorrecly filling out the census form.

I've never said Obama wasn't an American citizen. Another swing and a miss.

No idea what you're talking about.

Apologizing to dictators around the world is far from trivial. But it doesn't suprise me that you think so.

I've never blamed Obama for being black. I'm not sure exactly how one would do that anyways.

Black? He's not black. He is more of a greenish olive color with purple lips..you know those lips - the kind that old Jewish pawn brokers have that smoked too many cigars.

Oleg Bach · June 7, 2010

You're a complete idiot. If they could have sealed it early on, they would have. You obviously have no clue. The issue was how do seal it. You don't just do it with words.

Maybe you are the idiot..maybe you actually trust the money grubbing power mongers and actually believe that the super obscenely rich actually are good and sensible people? The wage war for profit and adventure and fill our heads with nonsense - like "democracy" - "freedom" and all that other emotional shit.

These are cold and mischief filled creeps. You could be a crying hungry baby on the side of the road and they would not toss you a piece of bread. In fact the harder you cry the more they feel important and empowered.

Of course BP could have destroyed the well if the will was there...what's a bit of spillage to them when there are billions to be made.

THEY could have immediately put a huge crib around the mechanism and dumped tons and tons of gravel - and a million tons of damned concrete or another product - Or the pipe could have been plugged with a primitive cone of lead..and then the concrete...they did not want to totally close the well. ANYONE - Who really wanted to plug the hole could have plugged it..Instead they bring in all this expensive high tech structures and robotic machines--much like in war - contractors want the mayhem to continue because money is to be made..no matter what BP and their friends make money - they hand out contracts to connecting companies which they control - in effect they indirectly pay them selves.

Their share holders foot the bill...they don't care about us or their share holders as long as the status quo is maintained.

Remember for these billion dollar trust fund babies - this is heaven and what happens to the earth once they are gone is of no concern to them. Their religious believes consist of having a lot of fun and hopefully going into a peaceful oblivion after they pass away. Future generations do not matter to them - If humanity and nature mattered they would not be in the earth destroying oil buisness anyway...They know that oil is a destroyer....I know of one man who's family made their fortune selling booze illegally and then legally - a man...who's status on a generational level depended on selling addictive substances, described alcohol as such " Alcohol is a destroyer" - YET - they sell it.

Look at the Bush Cheney dynasty...they were put in position years ago through arms sales - then they switched to oil. BRITISH PETROLEUM got it's start through selling opium...then they switched to oil...so their value system is still the same - Great fortunes are always made through addiction - whether it be booze or dope or food...

Before the internet was revised and censored - you could research the very wealthy - almost in all cases..You would see legitimate concerns and fields of investment - and in most cases you would see something pop up that can not be found these days because all has been edited. There was a phrase that would pop up --------------WAR SUPPLIES... so don't tell me that we are in AFGHANISTAN so a little girl can go to school..we are there for the money - and certainly you and I do not share in the profits - but we will pay the taxes to finance these adventures - while other get gold toilet seats we get death and worry and some silly Highway of HEROS...f*ck BP and the rest of them - These cold bastards kill for money - and that is nothing to write your old aunt Martha about...nor is it something that they should be proud of...but some how they believe that we are expendable and only they should live.

Oleg Bach · June 7, 2010

Cigarettes are legal, so are oil spills. Cocaine is legal and so is pharma product that is sold and given to non compliant children of the poor - children who have leadership qualities and energy - are destroyed and come out a foot shorter than they should have been...There is no morality when it comes to maintaining power over others - morality has no place in this jungle that is clothed in a thin veneer of civility.

bloodyminded · June 7, 2010

Us common folk think these people are like us and money is an issue - these folks are way past money - it means nothing to them..they are hard wired to take the place of domination within society - and ruining nature gives them a thrill seeing that it causes human suffering - It is like when the big dogs wage war-- it does not matter if the good guys or the bad guys are killed - as long as someone dies or is suffering give them a sense of being super humans ...I know for a fact that when a person is dealing with units of cash that stretch off into the billions - that it is not about money - it is about total success..and with that totality grows and anti-social abusive mind. I believe it is a term called crimminal.

Actually, this isn't far off from--though not identical to--the excellent philosopher Bertrand Russell's thesis on Power. It is a remarkably little-discussed subject. According to Russell, financial self-interest (or even outright greed) only go so far...until it is not about greed any more. It becomes a matter of holding power over other human beings--a tremendously seductive drug, evidently, once tasted.

Edited June 7, 2010 by bloodyminded

Oleg Bach · June 7, 2010

Actually, this isn't far off from--though not identical to--the excellent philosopher Bertrand Russell's thesis on Power. It is a remarkably little-discussed subject. According to Russell, financial self-interest (or even outright greed) only go so far...until it is not about greed any more. It becomes a matter of holding power over other human beings--a tremendously seductive drug, evidently, once tasted.

Like cocaine, the power is artifical and does not last for long..the kind of power you are talking about does not destroy as quickly as the drug enduced one does. BUT it does have it's limits-- the reason that this topic is not discussed is because...most if not all of us are hung up on money and actually believe that the super rich are just like us and lust for the freedom that cash provides.

We must understand that these people are not us....for instance when Henry Kissinger said that "power is the ultimate aphrodisac " it was very telling. That to destroy actually gives some a sexual rush of sorts. This is a severe form or perversion ...very few of us understand that great perversity of all kinds exist in the so called higher class. Look at the Canadian policy regarding young boys in AFGHANISTAN..It is a policy that consists of turning a blind eye to the destruction of these young children though recreational and occultish sodomy...Sodomy is a sadistic act of disempowerment - 'THE KING BUGGERED THE PAGE" - this is tradtion for rich guys in the British Private school system...learning to destroy any potential future competition.

I swear that gayification is quietly encouraged by the power mongers - because they know that many will be lost in the cross fire..it is all about taming the herd through cruelty ---

The broad casting of visions of evil oil wells and birds drenched in poison is sadism of a sort and meant to break down hope.

GostHacked · June 7, 2010

You're a complete idiot. If they could have sealed it early on, they would have. You obviously have no clue. The issue was how do seal it. You don't just do it with words.

You'll never catch me calling you an idiot. Thanks Shady.

They could have blown the well (with a bomb of some sort) and make it collapse in on itself. They tried several methods that would not stop it, but allow them to siphon off the oil. And now they are getting about 1/3 of the oil flow to the cargo ship on the surface, which still leaves about 12,000 barrels of oil leaking out of the well per day. And 12,000 is still more than twice the initial predicted amount that was flowing into the ocean.

Shady, they never had the intention of stopping it. They wanted it to keep flowing.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

And Punked, I agree with you when you say that more regulation needs to be done. Oh, you've never drilled that deep? What happens when things go wrong? Any plans in place to avoid a disaster? We obviously see the answer spilled out for us.

Oleg Bach · June 7, 2010

Makes common sense to me - they had the means to immediately plug the leak..but they fooled around and toyed with the well..Just goes to show you that people like the current American administration are in bed with big oil - Obama has been briefed and he knows full well what is going on..but that jerk who stole the hearts and minds of millions of fools is now playing those fools.

bush_cheney2004 · June 7, 2010

Makes common sense to me - they had the means to immediately plug the leak..but they fooled around and toyed with the well..Just goes to show you that people like the current American administration are in bed with big oil - Obama has been briefed and he knows full well what is going on..but that jerk who stole the hearts and minds of millions of fools is now playing those fools.

Hey...listen up...it's not just the current administration. The US of A has been all about oil for the past 100 years, and it is one of the main reasons for rompin' and stompin' all over the goddamn planet. Obama is not about to attack "Big Oil" in the middle of an economic downturn. Anybody who doesn't think they are in bed with "Big Oil" is delusional.

GostHacked · June 7, 2010

And it's not the first time BP has been in the news with things blowing up. Remember Huston?

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7012963

“The report clearly describes the underlying causes and management system failures which contributed to the worst tragedy in BP’s recent history,” said Ross Pillari, president of BP Products North America Inc. “We accept the findings, and we are working to make Texas City a complex that attains the highest levels of safety, reliability and environmental performance.”

That was their biggest failure, until now.

http://flowingdata.com/2010/06/06/egregious-citations-issued-to-bp/

Over 700 citations since 2007 in regards to safety and regulations.

Shady · June 7, 2010

You'll never catch me calling you an idiot. Thanks Shady.

Then stop acting like one.

They could have blown the well (with a bomb of some sort) and make it collapse in on itself.

I haven't heard one government official or expert state that this could have been bombed at the very beginning as a fix. Perhaps you can cite that assertion.

They wanted it to keep flowing.$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Tinfoil hat alert! :lol:

Actually, the longer the oil flows, the more money BP owes. It hasn't made one penny on any of the oil that's flowed into the ocean. Use your brain. If they could have so easily stopped this leak at the beginning, they would have done so. Because it would have only taken a few months for them to tap the oil reserve again, after the leak had been stopped. It's common sense.

I agree with you when you say that more regulation needs to be done.

Not necessarily. Just enforce existing regulation. Piling on new layers of regulation when existing laws weren't enforced makes no sense. It's just a knee-jerk un-thinking way of reacting to the situation.

Here's what bad regulation does:

The latest example is the incomprehensible choice of William Reilly, former administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency, to co-chair the presidential commission to investigate the catastrophic BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.
During Reilly's tenure, the EPA implemented policies that prevented the development of a high-tech method to mitigate the effects of the oil washing onto the magnificent beaches along the Gulf Coast from Texas to Florida.

During the 1980s microorganisms genetically engineered to feed on spilled oil were developed in laboratories, but draconian federal regulations discouraged their testing and commercialization and ensured that the techniques available for responding to these disasters remain low-tech and marginally effective.

...

Innovation had been stymied by his agency's hostile policies toward the most sophisticated new genetic engineering techniques. The regulations ensured that biotech researchers in several industrial sectors, including bioremediation, would continue to be intimidated and inhibited by regulatory barriers. Those policies remain in place today, and the EPA's anti-technology zealots show no signs of changing them.

...

Ironically, EPA regulation has also inhibited the development of the genetically engineered bacteria and fungi that are needed. Thus, EPA's policies have for decades stymied safe energy production in two ways: (1) by preventing innovation applied to industrial processes that could produce biofuel, and (2) by obstructing the development and commercialization of oil-eating organisms that could be used in a spill.

IBD

You know, you people are getting quite annoying. You advocate policy that makes drilling for oil and natural gas more and more difficult. You essentially push drilling farther and farther offshore, in more risky circumstances. You set up regulations that inhibit the development of engineering and technology that can clean up leaks and spills. And then when something inevitably goes wrong, you throw your hands up and yell "see, see, told you bad stuff was going to happen." All the while, still driving your cars, and using your petroleum produced products, such as televisions and computers.

You people really are the scum of the earth. :angry:

Oleg Bach · June 7, 2010

It's quite strange and sort of technically wonderful that they can send pipes down a mile and then some - all the while bobbing about at the top on some rig - no matter where they drill it will be risky...they are pushing the limits - and also - who the hell is going to keep these wells sealed two hundred years from now - are they going to be gold plated pipes and valves? NOT! Rich and powerful people have one weakness ------------they are so damned cheap it hurts -------------us!

Oleg Bach · June 8, 2010

There is no such thing as fossil fuel - just an ancient transfer of energy form the cosmos to us - in the form of super heated slams into the earth by huge objects - the gulf of mexico is the suffered the greatest and most powerful strike - a type of atomic fusion takes place and in time that energy degrades and become oil - we are not suppose to use the stuff - it is to dangerous..to release the energy that has been stored for millions of years in one human life time is a strain on the balance of earthly life. PB is sucking up manna from heaven...all of it - greed kills slowly.

Shady · June 8, 2010

Hey Oleg. I see that you continue to use your petroleum products as well! :lol:

Who knows. Maybe the computer you use to post in this forum was made from oil extracted from an offshore well! Why don't you help out our great earth. Stop using the internet. Stop using your computer. Lower the demand for oil and all of the products produced from it. Come'on Oleg. For the earth! Why are you being so greedy?

punked · June 8, 2010

Hey Oleg. I see that you continue to use your petroleum products as well!

Who knows. Maybe the computer you use to post in this forum was made from oil extracted from an offshore well! Why don't you help out our great earth. Stop using the internet. Stop using your computer. Lower the demand for oil and all of the products produced from it. Come'on Oleg. For the earth! Why are you being so greedy?

Give me a break just because oil is useful doesn't mean we should not try to use less of it. Shady's you were the guy back in the 1800's who said "Yeah look at you wearing those clothes made from cotton the slaves picked, how about you take off all your clothes then talk about freeing the slaves" Honestly. Can we have an adult conversation because someone wants to use more alternatives energy doesn't mean they can't use oil. If we all used less we wouldn't need to drill as many wells, we wouldn't need to drill unsafe wells, we wouldn't need to capture carbon. Get over it maybe you want to bath in oil just because you can, doesn't mean you are right.