DogOnPorch Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 I find that number 30% harder to believe... Heck...even Mohawks from Kahnawake joined-up. Don't tell charter-rights...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 (edited) Ah you are familiar with Right-Wing tactics then. I'm only aware of what I hear. I can't rightly recall a left wing political meeting or talk (in Canada) being overrun by screaming, howling right wingers in recent years (or ever) but I'm certainly willing to hear about the long list of examples you clearly posesss. Edited March 24, 2010 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 I like Mr. Lemon's "Sgt. Rock" Medal of Honor citation. Salute! ....now back to the Blonde Bitch from Hell! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 It's not Canadian, but some of the health care "town hall" meetings in the US are an example. That's not in Canada indeed. Further, those people are coming to address an issue which personally affects them - however mistaken I believe they are about health care. They're not simply going to a speech by someone they dont like on a topic they don't want them to talk about. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 I guess you would know what everyone else here thinks about me. Not like I give a shit anyway. Liberals want to force free speech down our throats, and tha's you, booby You are even less likely to convince anyone here that I'm a liberal than you are to convince them you're any kind of a conservative. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 Hopefully, the news folks will refocus on that and soon.... Because there aren't enough dumbass conspiracy theories out there for the wackos to froth over? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
GostHacked Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 http://www.vwam.com/vets/allies/canadians.html Although not directly involved in the Vietnam War, Canada was part of the International Control Commission (ICC) set up by the Geneva Conference in 1954. Canada was present during the wind down and after agreements were made by the parties involved. Canada was not part of the overall war effort. But while Canada as a nation was not involved, Canadians themselves formed the largest foreign contingent in the U.S. military during the Vietnam era. Some estimate that their numbers far suppressed the more than 30,000 Americans draft dodgers who fled to Canada to avoid military service during the war. While exact numbers are impossible to obtain, from my work as a military historian with the Canadian War Museum, I estimate that of the many thousands who served in the U.S. Vietnam-era military, some 12,00 Canadians actually served in Vietnam itself. Canadians were in the war. Canada as a nation was not. Quote
Shady Posted March 24, 2010 Author Report Posted March 24, 2010 Under direct assault from me? Yes, people of your ilk. Who condone the silencing of free speech. Houle warned Coulter. He has absolutely no authority to warn her, or any speaker. It's not welcome here You don't have the authority to determine what's welcome here or not. If people here, invite someone to speak, and wish to hear them speak, then that pretty much goes against your claim about whether someone or something is welcome or not. She was warned of the differences between speech in Canada and the US. Once again, she was warned by somebody with absolutely no authority to give such a warning. And once again what she said at UWO, or will say at the University of Calgary doesn'teven come close to hate speech or anything similar. You're a leftwing fascist who's intent on shutting down free speech you disagree with. Move to Iran, Cuba, or Venezuela if that's the type of society you wish to live in. But that type of attitude isn't welcome here. Quote
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 No. She's an obnoxious rabble rousing extreme rightist. You know the kind. Shes the kind that says everyone on the Left is against free speech. The Left, as an entity, does not include "everyone" on the Left. It is not as monolithic as the NDP. Nevertheless, there is a deep lack of commitment to individual freedoms on the part of the Left as a whole, because of its totalitarian inclinations. The Left feels it knows what's best for people, and therefore has the moral right, if not the obligation, to force people to conform. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 I suppose so...but it isn't very polite, is it? Surely you're better than her. Not noticeably. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Charles Anthony Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 Do we need a 3rd thread on this ? No, we do not. All three threads have been merged. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 (edited) you're usually quite astute this time you're way off the mark...recognize a NAZI when you see one I can recognize a moronic imbecile frothing at the mouth. Is that good enough? congrats to the University students for practicing their right to demonstrate and freedom of speech to shut down this hate filled bitch and her Canadian rightwing nut supporters... Classic. It's the kind of nutbar commentary we used to read coming out of Pravda or Mao's China. Up is Down. Black is White. The security forces beating the crap out of peaceful protestors were "heroically defending the people against violent agitators!". And bullying, threatening and intimidating a woman into not speaking is demonstrating "freedom of speech" shame on all those forum members who support this loathsome NAZI with all your fake patriotism you shit on every Canadians grave who died fighting NAZI intolerance... If anyone did shit the smell would still be better than your frenzied, ignorant, hate-filled posts, immigrant-boy. Edited March 24, 2010 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 The only difference between Coulter and Zundle is that Coulter incites hate across pretty well all groups except her own. Well, and the helmet. You forgot the helmet. Oh, and that Zundel was a Nazi while Coulter isn't anything remotely close to one. But knowing things like that would require at least a modicum of intelligence and education, so I sympathise with your lack of either. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Muddy Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 the criminal code of Canada disagrees with you...freedom of speech does not include a freedom to spread hatred.... the philosophy behind freedom is lost on most of those on the right...learn it or risk losing it your freedom to do as you please ends when it infringes upon another's freedom... U.S. Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.-"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." Free speech,your right it is not absolute. We all know you can not yell FIRE in a theatre. Is setting off FIRE alarms in a crowded theatre be exempt? The left hurt themselves in Ottawa yesterday . Their thugish behaviour will bring upon themselves scorn from left ,Right and center. Quote
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 I want to know when the muslim girl who was told to ride a camel gets the last laugh and files an HRC complaint against Coulter. Being told that she should only have the rights to ride a camel to me is a lot worse than the president of UofO asking Coulter to be cogniscent of our hate speech laws. The former is a blatant attack based on race and religion. The latter is nothing more than poignant legal advice. She went there to confont Coulter and got her wish. Besides, I have no sympathies for people who choose to go around in bedsheets then complain when people mock them for wearing bedsheets. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 Why shouldn't this alleged Muslim girl just stand her ground and tell Coulter she's a bigoted @**hole? Because she isn't clever enough to actually debate Coulter - so she needs laws to stop Coulter from mocking her. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Shady Posted March 24, 2010 Author Report Posted March 24, 2010 I'm only aware of what I hear. I can't rightly recall a left wing political meeting or talk (in Canada) being overrun by screaming, howling right wingers in recent years (or ever) but I'm certainly willing to hear about the long list of examples you clearly posesss. Argus, I'm still waiting a response to your very excellent question. Perhaps that list of his isn't as long as he thought. Perhaps that list is ZERO. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 You are even less likely to convince anyone here that I'm a liberal than you are to convince them you're any kind of a conservative. So what, I'm not here to do that. Although, I know it irks you so. I don't consider you a true conservative, by any measure. Right wing perhaps, but not a true conservative. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 He has absolutely no authority to warn her, or any speaker. He holds the title of Vice-President and Provost at Ottawa U. It is in full right to ask people to be mindful of what they say. He said it as a warning and not as something that could be enforced. If the speech went on, then this would be a non-issue. Or it would be touted as the VP having no weight and then he becomes irrelevant. You don't have the authority to determine what's welcome here or not. If people here, invite someone to speak, and wish to hear them speak, then that pretty much goes against your claim about whether someone or something is welcome or not. Ture I do not have the authority, however it is my personal freedom to express that she never come back to Canada. Once again, she was warned by somebody with absolutely no authority to give such a warning. And once again what she said at UWO, or will say at the University of Calgary doesn'teven come close to hate speech or anything similar. You're a leftwing fascist who's intent on shutting down free speech you disagree with. Move to Iran, Cuba, or Venezuela if that's the type of society you wish to live in. But that type of attitude isn't welcome here. http://web5.uottawa.ca/mcs-smc/academicintegrity/home.php Honesty, probity, and moral integrity are of the utmost importance in interpersonal relations, and are thus the founding principles of a just and harmonious society whose members respect one another. Educational systems recognize that to educate is to promote the cardinal virtues: students must acquire not only the skills and knowledge specific to their discipline and a rich personal culture relevant in society, but also the moral behaviour that allows them to be worthy citizens. It is completely within his right and I would say Duty to have warned Coulter. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 I mentioned she's like a comedian, that's the only way to consider her in my opinion. Entertainer, as a stretch but I'm not entertained by people like her, Chris Rock etc. Y'all get your giggles about don Rickles or Archie Bunker, I know. But how about the guy from Seinfeld, who was doing stand up comedy and used the "N" word. That didn't go over well for him, far as I recall. There is no absolute free speech, that is sheer fantasy. Time and again people have faced trial, gone to jail or been extradited merely for what they write or say. And it doesn't matter how much you get your nickers in a bunch over it, that's the way it is and the way is should be. Simpering liberals, be damned. Quote
Sir Bandelot Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 Oh and this here forum, does not allow free speech either. Read the rules, knuckleheads! Without it, this place would become a complete idiots crapfest. I mean, you know, even beyond... Quote
waldo Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 Still, you either believe in free speech or you don't. You can't say you support free speech and then qualify it by saying you shouldn't actually speak freely. You can't claim to support free speech if you only support those who agree with you.Those who threatened violence to shut down her meeting are nothing but fascists, by definition! I have no respect for them. Better for them to have boycotted her meeting or better yet, gone there, asked her awkward questions and laughed at her! well, of course... manufactured threats of violence are certainly better than no actual threats. seems the UofO students union president presents a different slant this morning... one that has the organizers actively vetting persons before allowing them in to hear Coulter. As described, the organizers design on their brand of free speech was one intended to ensure that Coulter wouldn't face opposing views within the meeting hall. How contrived! As described, the reason the situation began to unravel, was because only 100 of 400 seats were filled and organizers wouldn't allow anyone else in... ah yes, right-wing conservative free speech... but only for the select few. of course, the irony of it all really hits home when you realize the organization behind the tour and who some of it's board advisers are... the "International Free Speech Society"... with advisers the likes of Geert Wilders, Kathy Shaidle, Mark Steyn - oh my! of course, they didn't want their propaganda show to unravel, so the organizers manufacture concern for the well being of Coulter... shut the meeting down and then play their trump card by claiming free speech was denied! Quote
msdogfood Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 I'd just like to announce that I have officially reserved a seat for the Q&A with Ann Coulter at the University of Western Ontario, monday evening. I'm hoping to get my picture taken with her, as well as getting my book signed. I don't usually like to brag, but this is too good to pass up! Anne Coulter get out of Canada NOW!!! Quote
Shady Posted March 24, 2010 Author Report Posted March 24, 2010 Honesty, probity, and moral integrity are of the utmost importance in interpersonal relations, and are thus the founding principles of a just and harmonious society whose members respect one another. Educational systems recognize that to educate is to promote the cardinal virtues: students must acquire not only the skills and knowledge specific to their discipline and a rich personal culture relevant in society, but also the moral behaviour that allows them to be worthy citizens. And where does 'Israeli Apartheid Week' fall into that quaint and precious definition? Oh and this here forum, does not allow free speech either. Exactly. But a private internet forum and a public university are two entirely different things. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 24, 2010 Report Posted March 24, 2010 of course, the irony of it all really hits home when you realize the organization behind the tour and who some of it's board advisers are... the "International Free Speech Society"... with advisers the likes of Geert Wilders, Kathy Shaidle, Mark Steyn - oh my! Irony or apropos? All have been victimized for the right of expression. But please...continue to defend the mobs right to censor... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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