bush_cheney2004 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 I am at least one of those things...but as with in the other thread, those things are irrelevant to the points being made...as is the usual with those arguments. You have so much to learn Grasshopper....it will be wonderful! Life will become...irrelevant. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
justme Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 Immigrants destroyed the World Trade Center. Violent crime and economic disparity are staggering in the United States, compared to other Western nations. I would hardly say their idea of complete integration into the loneliness of a culture that values individuality over community, and independence over social welfare, has been a glowing success. I wouldn't call Jane/Finch or St. James Town paradise either, and let's not forget about Air India or the Toronto 18. Quote “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.” –Theodore Roosevelt “The symptoms of dying civilizations are well known. The death of faith; the degeneration of morals; contempt for the old values; collapse of the culture; paralysis of the will, but the two certain symptoms that a civilization has begun to die are a declining population and foreign invasions no longer resisted.” – Patrick J. Buchanan "Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. Its ideas pursued to their logical end will prove fatal to the West." -- James Burnham
M.Dancer Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 They were not American citizens, making them immigrants. Incorrect. A visa allows someone to visit. Tourists from some countries need visas....immigrants get green cards and have much more freedom...can work and such. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
cybercoma Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) No...as the United States has a large domestic Hispanic population of about 46 million, second only to Mexico in the entire world. About 60% of the origin is from Mexico, not all Spanish speaking growth. The United States has a larger Hispanic population than Canada has a Canadian population. Edited March 11, 2010 by cybercoma Quote
justme Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_X4hchmxnSH8/RjJJXIygGiI/AAAAAAAAAQI/QQ_B-z9b518/s320/dagwood_sleep.gif Guess that's all you can come up with when faced with uncomfortable facts. Edited March 11, 2010 by justme Quote “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.” –Theodore Roosevelt “The symptoms of dying civilizations are well known. The death of faith; the degeneration of morals; contempt for the old values; collapse of the culture; paralysis of the will, but the two certain symptoms that a civilization has begun to die are a declining population and foreign invasions no longer resisted.” – Patrick J. Buchanan "Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. Its ideas pursued to their logical end will prove fatal to the West." -- James Burnham
cybercoma Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 I wouldn't call Jane/Finch or St. James Town paradise either, and let's not forget about Air India or the Toronto 18. Neither would I, but then again my post was about the United States being a success, not about Canada at all. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 Incorrect. A visa allows someone to visit. Tourists from some countries need visas....immigrants get green cards and have much more freedom...can work and such.Maybe I have bad information, but they were taking classes in the United States and living there. If they were "just visiting", then we're splitting hairs about the definition of an immigrant. In the context of Argus's opening post, either way, they are undesirable foreigners. Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 Maybe I have bad information, but they were taking classes in the United States and living there. If they were "just visiting", then we're splitting hairs about the definition of an immigrant. In the context of Argus's opening post, either way, they are undesirable foreigners. Yes you can have a student visa...immigrants tend stay in their adopted land....student visa types go back home... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 Guess that's all you can come up with when faced with uncomfortable facts. No, I like uncomfortable facts...let me know when you stumble on one. Meanwhile the boring mindless drivel you might refer to as your posts merit Dagwood snoring.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
justme Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) No, I like uncomfortable facts...let me know when you stumble on one. Meanwhile the boring mindless drivel you might refer to as your posts merit Dagwood snoring.... I've already pointed out facts: 1) The white population is declining in all countries with white majorities (must not call them white countries even though it's ok to call black countries black, asian countries asian or muslim countries muslim). 2) Black people are treating white people worse in black countries than vice versa. Nearly a million white people have left South Africa due to safety concerns and most have already been driven out of Zimbabwe while on the other hand, the president of the US is half black, and countries with white majorities are helping people in Haiti. 3) Countries with white majorities are taking in large numbers of non-whites, but non-white countries remain virtually homogeneous. How many non-japanese are in Japan (second largest economy in the world)? How many non-chinese is China taking in (with its red hot economy)? 4) In the Middle East, people face persecution if they're not Muslims. It is a crime simply to enter Mecca if you're not a Muslim. There are thousands of mosques in non-Muslim countries, but how many churches are there in Saudi Arabia? These are irrefutable facts and that is why you brush them off instead of debating it. Some black people actually believe that the west manipulated the weather to create the earthquake in Haiti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaaGsiRopGU&feature=response_watch Here's a black man on C-SPAN calling for the extermination of white people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0&feature=related Edited March 11, 2010 by justme Quote “The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities.” –Theodore Roosevelt “The symptoms of dying civilizations are well known. The death of faith; the degeneration of morals; contempt for the old values; collapse of the culture; paralysis of the will, but the two certain symptoms that a civilization has begun to die are a declining population and foreign invasions no longer resisted.” – Patrick J. Buchanan "Liberalism is the ideology of Western suicide. Its ideas pursued to their logical end will prove fatal to the West." -- James Burnham
Guest TrueMetis Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 What's your point justme? We should start doing what those morons in other countries are doing? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 What's your point justme? We should start doing what those morons in other countries are doing? I think he just wants more Mandingo love! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) I've already pointed out facts: 1) The white population is declining in all countries with white majorities (must not call them white countries even though it's ok to call black countries black, asian countries asian or muslim countries muslim). Is the white population declining, or is the "foreign" population increasing? They're two different things after all. Regardless, this implies there's a problem with foreign people coming to the country, which you haven't proven.2) Black people are treating white people worse in black countries than vice versa. Nearly a million white people have left South Africa due to safety concerns and most have already been driven out of Zimbabwe while on the other hand, the president of the US is half black, and countries with white majorities are helping people in Haiti.Wow.3) Countries with white majorities are taking in large numbers of non-whites, but non-white countries remain virtually homogeneous. How many non-japanese are in Japan (second largest economy in the world)? How many non-chinese is China taking in (with its red hot economy)?4) In the Middle East, people face persecution if they're not Muslims. It is a crime simply to enter Mecca if you're not a Muslim. There are thousands of mosques in non-Muslim countries, but how many churches are there in Saudi Arabia? Maybe that's why they're coming here. Is that the standard you aspire to for Canada?These are irrefutable facts and that is why you brush them off instead of debating it.These are nothing more than opinionated assumptions. You have not drawn out an argument, instead you point to certain "facts" and believe that they show something that you haven't made explicit--probably so you can weasel your way out of those assumptions when you're called on them. Some black people actually believe that the west manipulated the weather to create the earthquake in Haiti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaaGsiRopGU&feature=response_watch Tin foil hat wearing idiots come in all colours. Does that mean they represent the entire population? Here's a black man on C-SPAN calling for the extermination of white people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0&feature=related Do I really need to dig up videos of whites calling for the extermination of all black people, jews, homosexuals, and just about everyone else? Once again... particular idiots are not indicative of entire groups. Edited March 11, 2010 by cybercoma Quote
M.Dancer Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 I've already pointed out facts: 1) The white population is declining in all countries with white majorities (must not call them white countries even though it's ok to call black countries black, asian countries asian or muslim countries muslim). 2) Black people are treating white people worse in black countries than vice versa. Nearly a million white people have left South Africa due to safety concerns and most have already been driven out of Zimbabwe while on the other hand, the president of the US is half black, and countries with white majorities are helping people in Haiti. 3) Countries with white majorities are taking in large numbers of non-whites, but non-white countries remain virtually homogeneous. How many non-japanese are in Japan (second largest economy in the world)? How many non-chinese is China taking in (with its red hot economy)? 4) In the Middle East, people face persecution if they're not Muslims. It is a crime simply to enter Mecca if you're not a Muslim. There are thousands of mosques in non-Muslim countries, but how many churches are there in Saudi Arabia? These are irrefutable facts and that is why you brush them off instead of debating it. Some black people actually believe that the west manipulated the weather to create the earthquake in Haiti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaaGsiRopGU&feature=response_watch Here's a black man on C-SPAN calling for the extermination of white people: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0&feature=related Holey league of lictor wannabes!! Of course there are nit refutable facts...hell, they aren't even facts! Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
cybercoma Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 By the way, the Japanese and Chinese governments do not ask ethnicity related questions in their censuses. Instead, they ask people their nationality, that is what nation-state they are from. What that means is naturalized citizens, for example, would classify themselves as Japanese, even though they are not ethnically Japanese. Quote
CANADIEN Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) Is the white population declining, or is the "foreign" population increasing? They're two different things after all. Regardless, this implies there's a problem with foreign people coming to the country, which you haven't proven. Wow. Maybe that's why they're coming here. Is that the standard you aspire to for Canada? These are nothing more than opinionated assumptions. You have not drawn out an argument, instead you point to certain "facts" and believe that they show something that you haven't made explicit--probably so you can weasel your way out of those assumptions when you're called on them. Tin foil hat wearing idiots come in all colours. Does that mean they represent the entire population? Do I really need to dig up videos of whites calling for the extermination of all black people, jews, homosexuals, and just about everyone else? Once again... particular idiots are not indicative of entire groups. Shame on you... you wrote what I was about to write, and even better. JustMe... If those things are so wrong when happening elsewhere (and they are), why do you want them to happen here? Edited March 11, 2010 by CANADIEN Quote
CANADIEN Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 (edited) The number of immigrants is a problem... Yet, there more immigrants coming to Canada on a yearly basis in the early 1910's and in the mid-1950's than now... Projections from Statistics Canada are that by 2031 between 25% and 28% of the population might be foreign-born. The percentage was 22% between 1911 and 1931... And 28% is not a majority. Some will say "but immigrants from today are not the same as immigrants from them". Yet each generation of immigrant are meet with the same bigotry, generalization and misconceptions. The same things said about Afghan immigrants today were said about those from Italy 90 years ago... Whether or not we are admitting more immigrants that we can absorb, or whether or not we are carful enough about which INDIVIDUALS we let hi would be a worthy debate... if it was not hijacked by bigots and racists (amd no, I do not equate opposition to the current immigration policies with bigotry and racism). Edited March 11, 2010 by CANADIEN Quote
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cybercoma Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 Shame on you... you wrote what I was about to write, and even better.I'll try not to be a ball hog next time. Quote
wyly Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 Whether or not we are admitting more immigrants that we can absorb, or whether or not we are carful enough about which INDIVIDUALS we let hi would be a worthy debate... if it was not hijacked by bigots and racists (amd no, I do not equate opposition to the current immigration policies with bigotry and racism). the moment the thread was labelled "VISIBLE minority" it became bigoted and racist...it was no longer about the qualities the immigrants could bring or potential economic problems/benefits it was all about colour, religion and ethnicity... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
DogOnPorch Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 the moment the thread was labelled "VISIBLE minority" it became bigoted and racist...it was no longer about the qualities the immigrants could bring or potential economic problems/benefits it was all about colour, religion and ethnicity... Damn bigoted racist CBC. About one-third of Canada's population — up to 14.4 million people — will be a visible minority by 2031, Statistics Canada projects.http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/03/09/statscan-minority.html Visible Minority...a Canadian term...no, Saudi Arabia doesn't use it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_minority Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
wyly Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 Damn bigoted racist CBC. Visible Minority...a Canadian term...no, Saudi Arabia doesn't use it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_minority CBC or Globe and Mail never made it a racist issue by questioning wisdom of letting Visible immigrants into the country unlike the forum members here... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
cybercoma Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 CBC or Globe and Mail never made it a racist issue by questioning wisdom of letting Visible immigrants into the country unlike the forum members here...Give this poster a cookie. Quote
Mr.Canada Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 CBC or Globe and Mail never made it a racist issue by questioning wisdom of letting Visible immigrants into the country unlike the forum members here... So questioning our own countries immigration practices is racist? really now? Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
DogOnPorch Posted March 11, 2010 Report Posted March 11, 2010 CBC or Globe and Mail never made it a racist issue by questioning wisdom of letting Visible immigrants into the country unlike the forum members here... I bet they pull the wings off of flies and kick over small children's sand castles...the bastards. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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