Michael Hardner Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 lictor, you clearly would take any example of a black person being acquitted by a jury as proof of the system being rigged against white people. This in spite of volumes of evidence that the system has traditionally been unfair to African Americans. Of course, you're always arguing safely from the perspective of your 'opinion' and 'beliefs'. There's no evidence of what you say, of course, and so you can only try to persuade the naive of the truth in what you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 lictor, you clearly would take any example of a black person being acquitted by a jury as proof of the system being rigged against white people. This in spite of volumes of evidence that the system has traditionally been unfair to African Americans.Of course, you're always arguing safely from the perspective of your 'opinion' and 'beliefs'. There's no evidence of what you say, of course, and so you can only try to persuade the naive of the truth in what you say. way to play the discounting game and not addressing any particular fact... no evidence other then chase footage, and arrest records, and charges... everything I've said on King and OJ is absolutely verifiable as fact. you just reject out of hand... without qualifications... something a child can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlight Graham Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 And yet another thread is hijacked somehow into a discussion about race... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 lictor, you just reject out of hand... without qualifications... something a child can do. And you come here to broadcast opinions rather than to discuss. How about a cite on the post-settlement sex assault charge on Rodney King ? It doesn't appear on the Wikipedia page for Rodney King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 lictor,And you come here to broadcast opinions rather than to discuss. How about a cite on the post-settlement sex assault charge on Rodney King ? It doesn't appear on the Wikipedia page for Rodney King. King's Trouble with the Law Prior to His Beating July 27, 1987: According to a complaint filed by his wife, King beat her while she was sleeping, then dragged her outside the house and beat her again. King was charged with battery and pleaded "no contest." He was placed on probation and ordered to obtain counseling. He never got the counseling. November 3, 1989: King, brandishing a tire iron, ordered a convenience store clerk to empty the cash register. The clerk grabbed the tire iron, causing King to fall backwards and knock over a pie rack. King swung the rack at the clerk and fled the store with $200. King was arrested and charged with assault with a deadly weapon, second-degree robbery, and intent to commit great bodily injury. In a plea agreement, King pleaded guilty to the robbery charge and the other charges were dropped. He was sentenced to two years in prison, but was paroled on December 27, 1990. The Arrest of Rodney King on March 3, 1991 March 3, 1991: After being seen speeding on the 210 freeway by CHP officers, King led them on a chase at speeds estimated at up to 110 to 115 mph. When finally stopped, King refused requests to get into the prone position and appeared to charge one of the officers. He was beaten and arrested. King was charged with felony evading. Charges were later dropped. King's 3/3/91 Arrest Record (and people wonder why he was assaulted by the police!! its almost surrealistic) King's Trouble with the Law After March 3, 1991 May 11, 1991: King was pulled over for having an excessively tinted windshield. Although King was driving without a license and his car registration had expired, King was not charged. May 28, 1991: King picked up a transvestite prostitute in Hollywood who happened to be under surveillance by LAPD officers. King and the prostitute were observed in an alley engaging in sexual activity. When the prostitute spotted the officers, King sped away, nearly hitting one of them. King later explained that he thought the vice officers were robbers trying to kill him. No charges were filed. June 26, 1992: King's second wife reported to police that King had hit her and she feared for her life. King was handcuffed and taken to a police station, but his wife then decided against pressing charges. July 16, 1992: King was arrested at 1:40 A.M. for driving while intoxicated. No charges were filed. August 21, 1993: King crashed into a wall near a downtown Los Angeles nightclub. He had a blood alcohol level of 0.19. King was charged with violating his parole and sent for sixty day to an alcohol treatment center. He was also convicted on the DUI charge and ordered to perform twenty days of community service. May 21, 1995: King was arrested for DUI while on a trip to Pennsylvania. King failed field sobriety tests, but refused to submit to a blood test. He was tried and acquitted. July 14, 1995: King got into an argument with his wife while he was driving, pulled off the freeway and ordered her out of the car. When she started to get out, King sped off, leaving her on the highway with a bruised arm. King was charged with assault with a deadly weapon (his car), reckless driving, spousal abuse, and hit-and-run. King was tried on all four charges, but found guilty only of hit-and-run driving. March 3, 1999: King allegedly injured the sixteen-year-old girl that he had fathered out of wedlock when he was seventeen, as well as the girl's mother. King was arrested for injuring the woman, the girl, and for vandalizing property. King claimed that the incident was simply "a family misunderstanding." September 29, 2001: King was arrested for indecent exposure and use of the hallucinogenic drug PCP. In addition, there are other variables that need to be kept in mind as well, such as his serious drinking problem. According to King's parole officer Tim Fowler, King (left) was "a basically decent guy with borderline intelligence.... His problem was alcoholism." Let's get something straight right now. Alcoholism was not and is not an excuse; all it did was merely give him permission to do what he did. When the vehicle finally stopped, King failed to assume the prone position as directed by police. Sergeant Stacy Koon, the supervising officer at the scene of the arrest sized up King's "buffed-out" appearance to be suggestive of an ex-convict who had worked extensively with prison weights and as such, correctly presumed King to be dangerous. Prior to the fateful night in 1991 that was forever immortalized on tape, King's arrest record was already well documented. In his first public display as a "real man" back in July 1987, King was arrested for beating up his wife while she was sleeping, dragged her outside and then put on a show for the neighbors and beat her up some more. Charged with battery, he pleaded "no contest", was placed on probation and ordered to get counseling. Suffice it to say, he never got the counseling. After a convenience store robbery in November 1989, King was charged with assault with a deadly weapon, Robbery 2, and intent to commit great bodily injury. In a plea agreement, King pleaded guilty to the robbery charge and the other charges were dropped. He was sentenced to two years in prison, but was paroled just over a year later. On March 3, 1991 - the night that everyone most associates with Rodney King, he reportedly charged the officers, and that is what led the officers to forcibly restrain him in the manner they did. Charged with felony evasion, that charge was later dropped. On May 11, 1991, King was pulled over for having an excessively tinted windshield. Despite having no driver's license and an expired registration, King was let go. Seventeen days later - on May 28th, King picked up a transvestite hooker and was being observed by LAPD undercovers having "illegal" sexual activity. When the hookers "made" the cops, King sped away and nearly ran down the vice squad. Explaining that he feared the vice cops were out to kill him, again, no charges were filed. June 26th 1992 - King's second wife called police saying he hit her and that she feared for her safety. Handcuffed and taken to the station, his wife later declined to press charges and he was let go. July 16th - same year - 20 days later, King is arrested for driving while intoxicated. No charges filed. In August of 1993, King crashed his car into a nightclub. Arrested again for driving while drunk, he blew a 0.19 into the meter, more than twice the legal limit. Busted for violating his parole, he spent 60 days in rehab and was given 20 days of community service. May 1995 - King is arrested - AGAIN - while enroute to Pennsylvania for driving while intoxicated. Failing his field sobriety test, he refuses to take a blood test and is acquitted in trial. See a common thread here? Less than two months later - July 1995 - Rodney King got into an argument with his wife while driving, pulled off the freeway and ordered her out of the car. When she started to get out, King sped off, leaving her on the highway with a bruised arm. King was charged with assault with a deadly weapon (the car), reckless driving, spousal abuse, and hit-and-run. King was tried on all four charges, but found guilty only of hit-and-run driving. Both this conviction and a subsequent one later on would each give him 90-day sentences in the local lock-up. In March 1999, King allegedly injured the sixteen-year-old girl that he fathered out of wedlock when he was seventeen, as well as the girl's mother. King was arrested for injuring the woman, the girl, and for vandalizing property. King claimed that the incident was simply "a family misunderstanding." - This fould criminal piece of filth remmber was awarded 3.8 MILLION DOLLARS after the incident... so please don't give me the liberal excuse that he was desperate and poor, and that social conditions made him act the way he did.. the man was simply a born criminal... to excuse such a person.... even to make him some sort of hero... is simply grotesque. 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Michael Hardner Posted October 25, 2009 Report Share Posted October 25, 2009 lictor, Again you're boxing with phantoms. I didn't offer an excuse, I asked for a reference which you STILL haven't provided. How about it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lictor616 Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 (edited) lictor,Again you're boxing with phantoms. I didn't offer an excuse, I asked for a reference which you STILL haven't provided. How about it ? http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/f...ingarrests.html here's one... but don't pretend like your not playing dumb... Edited October 26, 2009 by lictor616 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 Sorry - it didn't show up. Try pasting it into the post directly, rather than using the green arrow button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 More nonsense....which country do you live in? Have you ever been subject to the provisions of manadatory arbitration? Why do you confuse civil and criminal law, as well as jurisdiction? Or do you just start humping the first thing that comes along for a morally superior high? When did rape become a civil issue? Mandatory arbitration concerning an alleged criminal offense is called a trial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 When did rape become a civil issue? Mandatory arbitration concerning an alleged criminal offense is called a trial. When rape became sexual assault in the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 These unscrupulous types took advantage of that situation and raped her, probably knowing that they were outside the law. Are they outside the law in Iraq? Why doesn't she pursue her claim of rape there in criminal courts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Are they outside the law in Iraq?Why doesn't she pursue her claim of rape there in criminal courts? This was covered earlier... US contractors operating in Iraq had legal immunity from Iraqi law, and at the time were also not deemed to be under the jurisdiction of American law either. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowtraveller Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 This was covered earlier... US contractors operating in Iraq had legal immunity from Iraqi law, and at the time were also not deemed to be under the jurisdiction of American law either. -k ah, sorry, the thread is long. Her only recourse then is private justice, return to Iraq and saw off their pink bits with a rusty knife. If they had immunity, then so would she. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest American Woman Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 ah, sorry, the thread is long.Her only recourse then is private justice, return to Iraq and saw off their pink bits with a rusty knife. If they had immunity, then so would she. Hmmm. Interesting thought. Wonder what would have happened had she done that? I'm guessing the 'arbitration' would have been an entirely different story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyStone Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 An amendment that would ban federal funds going to companies that require arbitration in the case of sexual assault passed the Senate on Tuesday. The amendment was offered by Sen. Al Franken and was added to the defense appropriations bill by a vote of 68 to 30. The amendment was offered after Jamie Leigh Jones, an employee of Kellogg, Brown & Root (formerly a subsidiary of Halliburton) was sexually assaulted by her co-workers in Iraq and then locked in a shipping crate when she tried to report the rape. Her return to the United States was facilitated by U.S. Rep. Ted Poe, R-Tex., but upon her return, she learned that the fine print of her employment contract banned her from taking the case to court. On the Senate floor, Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., called it “a political attack directed at Halliburton.” Franken rebutted, “This amendment does not single out a single contractor. This amendment would defund any contractor that refuses to give a victim of rape their day in court. 30 senators voted against this amendment. What a bizarre world we live in. http://minnesotaindependent.com/46483/fran...-assault-passes How about just making it illegal to deny an allegedly raped victim her/his day in court. The idea that they can actually put that into a contract is absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted November 11, 2009 Report Share Posted November 11, 2009 How about just making it illegal to deny an allegedly raped victim her/his day in court. The idea that they can actually put that into a contract is absurd. They can still pursue criminal charges, it's civil court that is being discussed...a la OJ and Ron Goldman et al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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