waldo Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 I'll say again that I cannot understand why people want this family protected by Canadian courts.. . I can say with certainty that I'm sure glad this family doesn't live in my country and I'm sure glad my country will never allow them entry. the conduct, alleged or otherwise, of Khadr is not the issue… nor is extending your/the focus to family members. Khadr’s rights as a citizen of Canada should be the main concern; “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.” the Harper Conservatives are challenging the Khadr repatriation ruling… there is no longer any challenge that Khadr’s charter rights have been breached. The remedy ruling is being challenged, not the breach of charter rights. it’s quite easy to get ahead of the main issue/concern… to challenge and cast aspersions towards those who might presume to advocate for a Canadian citizen’s “charter rights protection” and the courts ruling for remedy of a breach to those charter rights. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 it’s quite easy to get ahead of the main issue/concern… to challenge and cast aspersions towards those who might presume to advocate for a Canadian citizen’s “charter rights protection” and the courts ruling for remedy of a breach to those charter rights. It's even easier to ignore such nonsense when it comes to indicted prisoners, Canadian citizenship or not. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 It's even easier to ignore such nonsense when it comes to indicted prisoners, Canadian citizenship or not. is that the selective "jury of public opinion" that provides the indictment you speak of? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 is that the selective "jury of public opinion" that provides the indictment you speak of? No...it looks and smells like a real indictment, not fun and games for a Canadian federal election: http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cac...hl=en&gl=us Please note that Canada does not have jurisdiction. Any questions? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wulf42 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) -flimsy,tainted and likely fabricated evidence, torture, years without trial...even if guilty considering his age if he were in canada he'd be coming up for release by now... You have just stated exactly why this dirtbag should stay in the U.S..yes in Canada he would likely be getting ready to walk and all his Terrorist buddies could throw a parade in downtown Toronto.. my God Canada needs to get its act together....the piece of garbage is Al Qaeda...how the heck can you defend this animal???? he should be shot....not freed!! In any event i hope the American's keep him in Gitmo! and if they torture him and the other Al Qaeda?....then good they deserve no less!!! Edited September 11, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
wulf42 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 It's even easier to ignore such nonsense when it comes to indicted prisoners, Canadian citizenship or not. Unfortunately Canada has to many bleeding Heart Liberals.......hopefully your country will completely ignore them and you guys can keep this dirtbag! He killed one of your soldiers it is fitting that you do with him whatever you want to!! Quote
Jerry J. Fortin Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 Unfortunately Canada has to many bleeding Heart Liberals.......hopefully your countrywill completely ignore them and you guys can keep this dirtbag! He killed one of your soldiers it is fitting that you do with him whatever you want to!! The "man" needs to be put on trial. Quote
Argus Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 the conduct, alleged or otherwise, of Khadr is not the issue… nor is extending your/the focus to family members. Khadr’s rights as a citizen of Canada should be the main concern; “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian.” Yeah except only Lawyers and Liberals believe "a Canadian is a Canadian". Most of the rest of us don't consider he or his family to be Canadians in any way, shape or form. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 The "man" needs to be put on trial. We have no laws which can touch him. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Jerry J. Fortin Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 We have no laws which can touch him. Declare him an adult at the time of the crime and charge him with treason. Quote
waldo Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 Please note that Canada does not have jurisdiction.Any questions? presuming to officials within the Canadian justice system performing an independent assessment of admissible evidence against Khadr... suggested possible legal options give consideration that Khadr could be tried under Canada's anti-terrorism legislation or even possibly Canada's War Crimes Act. Of course, there would also be a determination made as to whether Khadr should be tried as an adult or a child. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) Perhaps Canada should repatriate Khadr and then, as a compassionate and humanitarian gesture, pay for his relocation to Afghanistan or Pakistan, along with family members. It's obvious they all hate Canada and it would be cruel and unjust for them to be forced to remain here. Kabul is a lot safer now - or Pakistan. They could apply to either country as refugees who are fleeing persecution in the West. I'm sure Canadians won't mind paying for airfare and a resettlement allowance. In that way, we can be doubly compassionate. Bring him home and help the family relocate and start their lives anew. Edited September 11, 2009 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 presuming to officials within the Canadian justice system performing an independent assessment of admissible evidence against Khadr... suggested possible legal options give consideration that Khadr could be tried under Canada's anti-terrorism legislation or even possibly Canada's War Crimes Act. Of course, there would also be a determination made as to whether Khadr should be tried as an adult or a child. Gee...that's swell. Maybe he could benefit from the continuing circus act we've seen for his brother....Abdullah Ahmed Khadr. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
noahbody Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 Perhaps Canada should repatriate Khadr and then, as a compassionate and humanitarian gesture, pay for his relocation to Afghanistan or Pakistan, along with family members. It's obvious they all hate Canada and it would be cruel and unjust for them to be forced to remain here. Kabul is a lot safer now - or Pakistan. They could apply to either country as refugees who are fleeing persecution in the West. I'm sure Canadians won't mind paying for airfare and a resettlement allowance. In that way, we can be doubly compassionate. Bring him home and help the family relocate and start their lives anew. I mentioned this earlier, but, on top of a relocation fee, I'd support the government buying them a home as it would save millions in security costs. Charge the mother with treason and child abuse and agree to drop the charges if they'll give up their citizenship. Abduraham could keep his. Quote
wyly Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 You have just stated exactly why this dirtbag should stay in the U.S..yes in Canada he would likelybe getting ready to walk and all his Terrorist buddies could throw a parade in downtown Toronto.. my God Canada needs to get its act together....the piece of garbage is Al Qaeda...how the heck can you defend this animal???? he should be shot....not freed!! In any event i hope the American's keep him in Gitmo! and if they torture him and the other Al Qaeda?....then good they deserve no less!!! excuse me...he has never had a trial, his defence has been hamstrung, evidence concelled and tampered with statements doctored, any court in Canada would have dismissed this case long ago...you as someone who as former member of the armed forces which is in place to defend our way of life should be the most concerned that our standard of justice is not being upheld...those who support the military are constantly going on about how the military allows us our freedom and those who died in WW2 did so to protect those rights we have...and now you say those rights are worthless, that those who died in WW2 did so for nothing??? Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 I mentioned this earlier, but, on top of a relocation fee, I'd support the government buying them a home as it would save millions in security costs. Charge the mother with treason and child abuse and agree to drop the charges if they'll give up their citizenship. Abduraham could keep his. charge the mother with treason??? I can only assume your knowledge of law and civil rights are not your strong points... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 you as someone who as former member of the armed forces which is in place to defend our way of life should be the most concerned that our standard of justice is not being upheld... Canada's "standard" of justice only applies in Canada.....maybe. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Argus Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 Declare him an adult at the time of the crime and charge him with treason. Canada was not in any way involved in a conflict with the government of Afghanistan - the Taliban, at the time Khadr was over there. Nor do we have any law against a "citizen" going abroad, taking military/terrorism training, and fighting against some other government or on behalf of some other government. There is nothing to charge him with. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
wulf42 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 (edited) excuse me...he has never had a trial, his defence has been hamstrung, evidence concelled and tampered with statements doctored, any court in Canada would have dismissed this case long ago...you as someone who as former member of the armed forces which is in place to defend our way of life should be the most concerned that our standard of justice is not being upheld...those who support the military are constantly going on about how the military allows us our freedom and those who died in WW2 did so to protect those rights we have...and now you say those rights are worthless, that those who died in WW2 did so for nothing??? Rights don t count for the enemy that our armed forces is currently engaging.......you people don t seem to get it....this is Al Qaeda your defending!!! This dirtbag should have been drilled where they found him and left for the buzzards.....Any rights as a Canadian were instantly gone when he took arms with Al Qaeda Against us.....he should be left to rot until death in Gitmo to say the least....Canada has more important problems than worrying what happens to an Al Qaeda pig! America caught him and they going to keep him!! i really don t think they give a hoot about the Canadian Liberals other than for a good laugh! And half of Canada agrees....only Liberal's would want a terrorist brought back into the country! no wonder they can t get back in power........ Edited September 11, 2009 by wulf42 Quote
wulf42 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 The "man" needs to be put on trial. The "man" along with the other Al Qaeda needs to be shot by military firing squad!!! dead terrorist's tend not to recommit terrorist acts! Quote
wulf42 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 Yeah except only Lawyers and Liberals believe "a Canadian is a Canadian".Most of the rest of us don't consider he or his family to be Canadians in any way, shape or form. Amen to that...................your absolutely right!! only Liberals would be defend an Al Qaeda animal that is why they must never be allowed into power again! This no Canadian it is the enemy pure and simple! Quote
wulf42 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 Perhaps Canada should repatriate Khadr and then, as a compassionate and humanitarian gesture, pay for his relocation to Afghanistan or Pakistan, along with family members. It's obvious they all hate Canada and it would be cruel and unjust for them to be forced to remain here. Kabul is a lot safer now - or Pakistan. They could apply to either country as refugees who are fleeing persecution in the West. I'm sure Canadians won't mind paying for airfare and a resettlement allowance. In that way, we can be doubly compassionate. Bring him home and help the family relocate and start their lives anew. We should relocate him and his family somewhere up in the Artic near a polar bear colony after spraying them first with seal oil! Quote
noahbody Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 Canada was not in any way involved in a conflict with the government of Afghanistan - the Taliban, at the time Khadr was over there. Nor do we have any law against a "citizen" going abroad, taking military/terrorism training, and fighting against some other government or on behalf of some other government.There is nothing to charge him with. Canada was involved at the time Khadr was captured. The Taliban were also no longer in power. I'm not sure you could prove Omar had personal knowledge of Canada's involvement. You could make a strong case for charging the mother with treason though. Quote
ToadBrother Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 The "man" along with the other Al Qaeda needs to be shot by military firing squad!!!dead terrorist's tend not to recommit terrorist acts! But they do seem rather effective at recruiting more. Quote
waldo Posted September 11, 2009 Report Posted September 11, 2009 Canada was not in any way involved in a conflict with the government of Afghanistan - the Taliban, at the time Khadr was over there. Nor do we have any law against a "citizen" going abroad, taking military/terrorism training, and fighting against some other government or on behalf of some other government.There is nothing to charge him with. there is no shortage of legal conjecture within Canada. Again, presuming to officials within the Canadian justice system performing an independent assessment of admissible evidence against Khadr... and a determination made as to whether Khadr should be tried as an adult or a child, some of the prevailing view suggests these might be possible avenues to charge Khadr under: => Sections 431.2, 83.18 and 83.2 of the Criminal Code relating to terrorist activity => Sections 16, 17 and 20 of the Security of Information Act relating to terrorist influenced threats of violence and communicating information to terrorist groups => Section 46 of the Criminal Code relating to treason and high-treason => Section 6(3) of the Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes Act relating to war crimes => Section 3 of the Foreign Enlistment Act relating to enlisting with a foreign state at war with a friendly state Quote
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