US and Binladen

[Topaz]

Apparently, the US was using OBL and al Queda for operations until 9/11 and this is by one of the whistleblowers of 9/11 that was ordered not to talk but now she is. http://goodpremiumgames.com/games/puzzle

[Topaz]

Sorry the computer wasn't working right with the address. The right link is http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-bin-lade...r-us-until-911/

[bush_cheney2004]

Sorry the computer wasn't working right with the address. The right link is http://www.infowars.com/bombshell-bin-lade...r-us-until-911/

I like the other link instead. Much more fun.....I bet that OBL is very good at Solitaire and Mahjongg.

Edited August 1, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

[Shady]

This thread is a joke right?

[Moonlight Graham]

Would not be surprised in the least if this were true.

[M.Dancer]

Price of tinfoil on the rise.....

[Moonlight Graham]

Price of tinfoil on the rise.....

Is it honestly that much stretch of the imagination?

[M.Dancer]

Is it honestly that much stretch of the imagination?

Yes. African embassy bombings...USS Cole...nope...it's Tin FOil Time

[GostHacked]

Yes. African embassy bombings...USS Cole...nope...it's Tin FOil Time

CIA arming the Huhajedeen which OBL was a part of and eventually factioned off and started Al-Queda (The Base). This is not tin foil, this is reality and history. So since THIS is true and fact, where does this lead us?

[M.Dancer]

CIA arming the Huhajedeen which OBL was a part of and eventually factioned off and started Al-Queda (The Base). This is not tin foil, this is reality and history. So since THIS is true and fact, where does this lead us?

Sort of true. They gave some mujihadeen some weapons. To say they armed them makes it sound like they visited the quartermaster at fort bragg.

Bin Laden was only a foot soldier and did not receive anything from the CIA.

And that is true and a fact and also predates Al Q by at least a decade

[GostHacked]

Sort of true. They gave some mujihadeen some weapons. To say they armed them makes it sound like they visited the quartermaster at fort bragg.

Bin Laden was only a foot soldier and did not receive anything from the CIA.

And that is true and a fact and also predates Al Q by at least a decade

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/obituarie...gainst_soviets/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gust_Avrakotos

WASHINGTON -- Gust L. Avrakotos, 67, the CIA agent in charge of the massive arming of Afghan tribesmen during their 1980s guerrilla war against the Soviets, died of complications from a stroke Dec. 1 at Inova Fairfax (Va.) Hospital.

Here is your 'quartermaster'. Apparenlty from this report, he needed his own ship to move the weapons around. That does not sound like a small operation to me.

[bush_cheney2004]

CIA arming the Huhajedeen which OBL was a part of and eventually factioned off and started Al-Queda (The Base). This is not tin foil, this is reality and history. So since THIS is true and fact, where does this lead us?

Nowhere, since Al Queda would have been formed regardless of CIA, Pakistani, or Saudi operations in A-Stan against the Soviets based on their "grievances" against the Great Satan.

[noahbody]

She was hired by the FBI after 911 and was only employed for about 6 months. I somehow doubt as a newly hired translator that she would have had access to classified information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sibel_Edmonds

[Sir Bandelot]

Sort of true. They gave some mujihadeen some weapons. To say they armed them makes it sound like they visited the quartermaster at fort bragg.

Operation Cyclone

Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".

To execute this policy, President Reagan deployed CIA Special Activities Division paramilitary officers to train and equip the Mujihadeen forces against the Red Army. Reagan's Covert Action program has been credited with assisting in ending the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. A Pentagon senior official, Michael Pillsbury, successfully advocated providing Stinger missiles to the Afghan resistance, according to recent books and academic articles.

The program relied heavily on using the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) as an intermediary for funds distribution, passing of weapons, military training and financial support to Afghan resistance groups. Along with funding from similar programs from Britain's MI6 and SAS, Saudi Arabia, and the People's Republic of China, the ISI armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents between 1978 and 1992.

The U.S. offered two packages of economic assistance and military sales to support Pakistan's role in the war against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The first six-year assistance package (1981–87) amounted to US$3.2 billion, equally divided between economic assistance and military sales.

Quartermaster at Fort Bragg would hardly have been enough for them.

[Bonam]

Operation Cyclone

Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".

To execute this policy, President Reagan deployed CIA Special Activities Division paramilitary officers to train and equip the Mujihadeen forces against the Red Army. Reagan's Covert Action program has been credited with assisting in ending the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. A Pentagon senior official, Michael Pillsbury, successfully advocated providing Stinger missiles to the Afghan resistance, according to recent books and academic articles.

The program relied heavily on using the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) as an intermediary for funds distribution, passing of weapons, military training and financial support to Afghan resistance groups. Along with funding from similar programs from Britain's MI6 and SAS, Saudi Arabia, and the People's Republic of China, the ISI armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents between 1978 and 1992.

The U.S. offered two packages of economic assistance and military sales to support Pakistan's role in the war against the Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The first six-year assistance package (1981–87) amounted to US$3.2 billion, equally divided between economic assistance and military sales.

Quartermaster at Fort Bragg would hardly have been enough for them.

This has all been well known for a long time. I remember watching a documentary on the Cold War like 10 years ago, and information about the US supporting the Mujaheddin in Afghanistan was certainly there. Makes perfect sense too. The USSR was the greatest threat to the US, and it was trying to assert greater influence in a nation (Afghanistan). The US could not confront it directly, as that would lead to escalation beyond the desire of either side, but it could fund and train insurgents covertly to repel the USSR. Support of rebels, insurgents, etc, has been a strategy employed by nations/kingdoms/empires against their enemies/rivals for thousands of years, and is still used to this day.

[Moonlight Graham]

Yes. African embassy bombings...USS Cole...nope...it's Tin FOil Time

Well the USS Cole incident is a good point. Not sure how cozy the CIA would be to Bin Laden after that. Upon further thought, given Bin Laden's hatred towards the U.S. after the 90's Gulf War (as seen in pre-911 OBL interviews with western media), i'm skeptical of how much OBL would want to deal with the US.

So ya, i suppose it is a far-fetched tale.

[Oleg Bach]

Rich powerful families operate on an international level - both sides of the fence are protective of the offspring of the other - Bin Laden is protected by America and the Saudis -- not to mention Pakistan - if he were not - he would have been caught by now.

[Shady]

Obama wasn't born in America!

Is it honestly that much stretch of the imagination?

[punked]

Obama wasn't born in America!

Is it honestly that much stretch of the imagination?

Yep it is.

[M.Dancer]

The first six-year assistance package (1981–87) amounted to US$3.2 billion, equally divided between economic assistance and military sales.

Quartermaster at Fort Bragg would hardly have been enough for them.

I suppose you think $250 million a year is a lot to fight the Soviets? True enough, it would buy 4000 stingers (but only 500 were sent to Afghan).

[GostHacked]

I suppose you think $250 million a year is a lot to fight the Soviets? True enough, it would buy 4000 stingers (but only 500 were sent to Afghan).

Someone got shafted in the deal then.

[Guest American Woman]

Apparently, the US was using OBL and al Queda for operations until 9/11 and this is by one of the whistleblowers of 9/11 that was ordered not to talk but now she is. http://goodpremiumgames.com/games/puzzle

Just to clarify, she didn't say the US was using bin Laden and al Queda, she said the U.S. was using bin Laden and the Taliban.

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained ‘intimate relations’ with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, “all the way until that day of September 11.”

[Shady]

Just to clarify, she didn't say the US was using bin Laden and al Queda, she said the U.S. was using bin Laden and the Taliban.

In the interview, Sibel says that the US maintained ‘intimate relations’ with Bin Laden, and the Taliban, “all the way until that day of September 11.”

Well then. I guess the Clinton Administration has a lot of explaining to do.

[BubberMiley]

Obama wasn't born in America!

Is it honestly that much stretch of the imagination?

But everything looks more credible in a large font, right?

[Guest American Woman]

Obama wasn't born in America!

Guess it doesn't really matter where you think he was born, since he is the president. Should keep you and some of the others busy for the next four years though. I guess his being a Muslim didn't pan out, eh? Good luck with this one.