Muslim Honor Killing in Kingston

Shady · July 24, 2009

There's no evidence I have seen that immigrants in general, or any religion in particular are the source of violence or crime in Canada.

I don't think anyone here is arguing that immigrants commit more crime. I'm certainly not. However, one cannot overlook the apparent problem with Islam in Canada. Honor killings are becoming all too familiar.

Edited July 24, 2009 by Shady

CANADIEN · July 24, 2009

Unfortunately, it's far from a unique story. It wasn't long ago that that a man in Toronto killed his daughter for not wearing a hijab. Take your head outta the sand.

Two in the last two-three years. That's two too many, and of course that's a wave of "honour" killings.

lily · July 24, 2009

No, you certainly won't be celebrating. But you'll all be making excuses for the accused. As usual.

Do you really want this to be yet another right/left thing?

Do you really think opinions are so neatly split along ideological lines?

If so.... I take great offense to the above statement, as well as the OP.

CANADIEN · July 24, 2009

I don't think anyone here is arguing that immigrants commit more crime. I'm certainly not. However, one cannot overlook the apparent problem with Islam in Canada. Honor killings are becoming all too familiar.

All too familiar? How many have there been in recent years? I count one, plus a possible other onelast month.

CANADIEN · July 24, 2009

if muslims were honor killing abortion doctors,

you'd likely praise them.

Of course, that statement of mine is ridiculous. The difference, is that unlikely YOUR ridiculous statements (like claiming that "lefties" find excuses for murderers), I know better than to actually believe it.

Shady · July 24, 2009

All too familiar? How many have there been in recent years? I count one, plus a possible other onelast month.

Hmm, a quick search brings up 3 in 2004 alone.

- A 14-year-old female rape victim is strangled to death in March 2004 by her father and brother because she has supposedly tarnished the family name.

- In April 2004, a man brutally kills his wife and daughter after finding out that his brother had previously molested them.

- A teenage girl with a Turkish background has her throat cut by her father after he learns she has a Christian boyfriend.

All three cases -- taken from a study by Memorial University psychiatry professor Dr. Amin Muhammad and resident Sujay Patel -- involve unspeakable acts against females. And all were considered appropriate by the killers based on long-standing tradition and cultural beliefs.

Link

Perhaps you should look before you leap.

Smallc · July 24, 2009

However, if muslims were honor killing abortion doctors, then it might finally get the attention of you and your ilk.

Me and my ilk....interesting. Would that be people that don't decide things based solely on their preconceptions and their blind partisanship?

Radsickle · July 24, 2009

Perhaps you should look before you leap.

Perhaps you should think before you speak.

Shady · July 24, 2009

Perhaps you should think before you speak.

I do, and I did. I also provided a link.

Michael Hardner · July 24, 2009

Shady,

I don't think anyone here is arguing that immigrants commit more crime. I'm certainly not. However, one cannot overlook the apparent problem with Islam in Canada. Honor killings are becoming all too familiar.

Then what in blazes are you saying ? I keep reading these posts from people who talk about the Muslim problem. Ok. So what are you proposing ?

If you're just on here to say 'honour killings are bad' then that's hardly controversial. Obviously I'm not going to make an excuse for them, but I don't think Muslims are born different, or are infected somehow by their religion - do you ?

I will ask what we're supposed to be doing about it. If nothing, then there's no defending to be done on this board - there's just nothing to say except "It's a shame."

CANADIEN · July 24, 2009

Hmm, a quick search brings up 3 in 2004 alone.
- A 14-year-old female rape victim is strangled to death in March 2004 by her father and brother because she has supposedly tarnished the family name.

- In April 2004, a man brutally kills his wife and daughter after finding out that his brother had previously molested them.

- A teenage girl with a Turkish background has her throat cut by her father after he learns she has a Christian boyfriend.

All three cases -- taken from a study by Memorial University psychiatry professor Dr. Amin Muhammad and resident Sujay Patel -- involve unspeakable acts against females. And all were considered appropriate by the killers based on long-standing tradition and cultural beliefs.

Link

Perhaps you should look before you leap.

So now we're to four, perhaps five. Before you leap into claming those tragedies are common place, look at the possibility of using logic. It would be a change.

Shady · July 24, 2009

or are infected somehow by their religion - do you ?

Of course they're infected somehow by their religion. It's the primary reason these honor killings are taking place. Can you imagine the outcry if in 2004, 3 abortion doctors were killed by Christians, instead of 3 innocent muslim girls by their muslim families?

Bonam · July 24, 2009

I will ask what we're supposed to be doing about it. If nothing, then there's no defending to be done on this board - there's just nothing to say except "It's a shame."

I would guess that the idea would be some kind of controls on immigration. Blasphemy, I know.

Radsickle · July 24, 2009

oh. Now you're trying to insinuate that there are no `controls' on our immigration process and that we'll all be upset by you suggesting that... Dude, grow up. There are controls. There are smart civil servants doing their job daily and Canada is being served well. You'd rather close the border to anyone other than you.

Mr.Canada · July 24, 2009

One honor killing on Canadian soil is 1 too many. How many did we have 30 years ago? ZERO. But now because minorities are committing them on our homeland we're supposed to make excuses for them as you people are doing? SHAME!

They are happening more and more.

I enjoy how these liberal apologists are falling over themselves to blame anything but Islam for these horrendous crimes against humanity. Honor Killing's are happening in Canada with increased frequency, accept it. Unless measures are taken they will continue to increase in rate. Radical Islam is to blame, very simple.

I find it hilarious that most people on this forum would choose to ignore the fact that honor killings are happening at all. Sounds like David Miller style tactics, deny, deny, deny then blame the Tories.

I find it disgusting that people are making excuses for these men who control and murder women. This is violence against women and the liberals of this board are pretending it isn't happening...appalling. This is for SHAME!

"When people are moving to another country, they leave everything they have, all their possessions, behind. But what they can bring with them is what they believe, their culture, their traditions, their religion," she says. "Unfortunately, they are choosing to show the worst part of that, and the worst and criminal part of that is controlling women."

Source

Edited July 24, 2009 by Mr.Canada

Bonam · July 24, 2009

oh. Now you're trying to insinuate that there are no `controls' on our immigration process and that we'll all be upset by you suggesting that... Dude, grow up. There are controls. There are smart civil servants doing their job daily and Canada is being served well. You'd rather close the border to anyone other than you.

How well is Canada being served? Based on what criteria?

Also, good job trying to attribute something to me which I clearly never stated. Quite the debating tactic I guess...

Michael Hardner · July 24, 2009

Of course they're infected somehow by their religion. It's the primary reason these honor killings are taking place. Can you imagine the outcry if in 2004, 3 abortion doctors were killed by Christians, instead of 3 innocent muslim girls by their muslim families?

Shady - so you're saying Muslims are 'infected' by their religion that causes them to do honour killings and Christians become 'infected' and kill abortion doctors.

So if religion causes problems, we should ban it right ?

Just like if we banned heavy metal music, kids wouldn't do drugs, steal cigarettes or ride roller coasters.

Michael Hardner · July 24, 2009

Bonham

I would guess that the idea would be some kind of controls on immigration. Blasphemy, I know.

You're teasing me ! You actually sound like you're on the verge of suggesting some kind of policy change ! This is indeed a rarity. Usually we get posts that say "this is typical Muslim behavior" but they are unwilling to take that next step.

Do you think we should make it illegal for Muslims to come here ? How about people from Murderdonia ?

Michael Hardner · July 24, 2009

Mr. Canada

One honor killing on Canadian soil is 1 too many. How many did we have 30 years ago? ZERO. But now because minorities are committing them on our homeland we're supposed to make excuses for them as you people are doing? SHAME!

What a bold stance ! Let me get this straight - you're AGAINST murder ? Good for you.

They are happening more and more.
I enjoy how these liberal apologists are falling over themselves to blame anything but Islam for these horrendous crimes against humanity. Honor Killing's are happening in Canada with increased frequency, accept it. Unless measures are taken they will continue to increase in rate. Radical Islam is to blame, very simple.

Measures ? What measures ?

I find it hilarious that most people on this forum would choose to ignore the fact that honor killings are happening at all. Sounds like David Miller style tactics, deny, deny, deny then blame the Tories.

Wait... aren't the Tories in charge of immigration ? Or the Reformatories or whatever they're called now ?

I find it disgusting that people are making excuses for these men who control and murder women. This is violence against women and the liberals of this board are pretending it isn't happening...appalling. This is for SHAME!

Who is making excuses ? What kind of excuses can somebody make in such a case ?

You're using this case to indulge your own dislike of outsiders, IMO.

CANADIEN · July 24, 2009

Of course they're infected somehow by their religion. It's the primary reason these honor killings are taking place. Can you imagine the outcry if in 2004, 3 abortion doctors were killed by Christians, instead of 3 innocent muslim girls by their muslim families?

You measn... can we imagine your screams of joy if abortion doctors had been murdered?

I know... as stupid as your statement. But unlike you I don't believe it.

btw, you know of course that honour killing was also practiced well into the 20th century is some Mediteranean Christian cultures, right?

Murder, no matter the reason or excuse, is murder and those committing it should be punished to the full extent of the law. Ony idiots would assume people think otherwise just because they don't use certain incidences of murder to justify paranoia and hatred.

Bonam · July 24, 2009

Do you think we should make it illegal for Muslims to come here ? How about people from Murderdonia ?

People should be evaluated on an individual basis. That basis should include not just their education and profession, or their qualification for refugee status, but also their open-mindedness and ability to fit into Canadian norms and laws. Clearly, individuals that are deeply and unshakably devoted to traditions that are directly at odds with some of the most basic standards of this country should be examined more carefully before being allowed to immigrate to Canada. Factors such as this may or may not be hard to evaluate, depending on the individual in question, but an attempt should be made.

Furthermore, it should be noted that immigration to Canada is not a right of people around the world. Who we allow to immigrate to Canada is up to our government, presumably guided by the best interests of the country and its existing citizens.

lily · July 24, 2009

Of course they're infected somehow by their religion. It's the primary reason these honor killings are taking place. Can you imagine the outcry if in 2004, 3 abortion doctors were killed by Christians, instead of 3 innocent muslim girls by their muslim families?

Give your head a shake, man. There would be an outcry. There IS an outcry over these killings too.

One honor killing on Canadian soil is 1 too many. How many did we have 30 years ago? ZERO. But now because minorities are committing them on our homeland we're supposed to make excuses for them as you people are doing? SHAME!
They are happening more and more.

I enjoy how these liberal apologists are falling over themselves to blame anything but Islam for these horrendous crimes against humanity. Honor Killing's are happening in Canada with increased frequency, accept it. Unless measures are taken they will continue to increase in rate. Radical Islam is to blame, very simple.

I find it hilarious that most people on this forum would choose to ignore the fact that honor killings are happening at all. Sounds like David Miller style tactics, deny, deny, deny then blame the Tories.

I find it disgusting that people are making excuses for these men who control and murder women. This is violence against women and the liberals of this board are pretending it isn't happening...appalling. This is for SHAME!

Source

Who are these "you people" that are making excuses and ignoring facts?

Men controlling and murdering women.... you think this is new and exclusive to Muslims?

You really don't want to get me started on that.

CANADIEN · July 24, 2009

One honor killing on Canadian soil is 1 too many. How many did we have 30 years ago? ZERO. But now because minorities are committing them on our homeland we're supposed to make excuses for them as you people are doing? SHAME!

30 years ago, nobody was killing their wives, daughters, sisters for looking at a man the wrong way, or wearing the wrong clothes?

As for the notion that anone is making any excuse of anyone here.... Only an idiot or a bigot would believe that. Shame on YOU for being both.

Michael Hardner · July 24, 2009

People should be evaluated on an individual basis. That basis should include not just their education and profession, or their qualification for refugee status, but also their open-mindedness and ability to fit into Canadian norms and laws. Clearly, individuals that are deeply and unshakably devoted to traditions that are directly at odds with some of the most basic standards of this country should be examined more carefully before being allowed to immigrate to Canada. Factors such as this may or may not be hard to evaluate, depending on the individual in question, but an attempt should be made.
Furthermore, it should be noted that immigration to Canada is not a right of people around the world. Who we allow to immigrate to Canada is up to our government, presumably guided by the best interests of the country and its existing citizens.

Bonham,

Yes, our government decides who comes to Canada.

So... what would we do ask them to swear that they believe in the Canadian constitution... so help them God ?

That actually doesn't sound so bad to me, but you're not going to keep out lying fanatical zealots... especially the ones with a diploma in dental hygene.

Michael Hardner · July 24, 2009

I'm pleased to see the responses from lily and CANADIEN... No 'excuse making' necessary - just objective review of what's being implied, and astute dismantling of the idea that someone's crimes are caused by their religious beliefs, and (one supposes) keeping similar folk out of Canada will make us the crime free paradise we were in the 1970s.