Why many Canadian people have inaccurate knowledge of China

[bush_cheney2004]

It goes like this: short-term gain for long term pain.

China still in pain.

[benny]

China still in pain.

Don't feel happy about that!

[bush_cheney2004]

Don't feel happy about that!

Tears for China.

[benny]

Tears for China.

No crocodile tears.

[bush_cheney2004]

No crocodile tears.

China make crocodile shoes.

[benny]

China make crocodile shoes.

Send in China your Everglades alligators too.

[g_bambino]

Jeez... Even on my ignore list (the only person), Benny still manages to be annoying... :angry:

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Edited June 20, 2009 by g_bambino

[benny]

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Edit for compunction rather.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Edit for compunction rather.

I think many folks under estimate China.

[benny]

I think many folks under estimate China.

Help them!

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Help them!

Help them? What sort of help do you think they need. I think they are doing just fine on their own.

[benny]

Help them? What sort of help do you think they need.

With their estimate.

[eyeball]

QUOTE (bush_cheney2004 @ Jun 17 2009, 05:36 PM)

Western governments do not censor internet access....they just watch it all.

Canadian Human Rights Commission do censor internet.

Western governments are controlled by large interest groups. Large interest groups do that by control media to brainwash your mind with TV that send lies and cheatings, half truth and filtered information into every house, so that the vote are controlled, and the parliment is controlled.

The Canadian government assisted China in the development of its Great Firewall. So did some of the most influential western corporations on the planet.

[kimmy]

1. Nobody die 20 years ago in Tienanmen square. http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/04/wo...ry5061672.shtml

From your own article...

Some have found it uncomfortable that all this conforms with what the Chinese government has always claimed, perhaps with a bit of sophistry: that there was no "massacre Tiananmen Square."

But there's no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it — mostly in the western part of Beijing. Maybe, for some, comfort can be taken in the fact that the government denies that, too.

(emphasis is the author's.)

This is about as honest as claiming that there was no Frog Lake Massacre... because the deaths all occurred on dry land.

-k

[benny]

If Western media are too concentrated to inform us correctly about China, China can still take advantage of our press freedom to broadcast here better information.

[bjre]

From your own article...

(emphasis is the author's.)

This is about as honest as claiming that there was no Frog Lake Massacre... because the deaths all occurred on dry land.

-k

That is different. We all know most students were in the square, and all tents from HongKong were in the square. The riot happened in the streets. Rumors said the tanks run over tents with the protesters inside, those are lies.

While in the Frog Lake, it is obviously no protesters were in the Lake.

Edited June 21, 2009 by bjre

[benny]

Rumors said the tanks run over tents with the protesters inside, those are lies.

By definition, a rumor cannot be a lie since it is an unproven report.

[Oleg Bach]

By definition, a rumor cannot be a lie since it is an unproven report.

This is not a rumor it is a report. Just because the writer wanted to be standard in their opening does not mean they choose the best word. Why does everyone want proof..? Always believe the messages that are negative...No one is going to make up such a story. Even if it is a lie ----it's positive - an embelishment..fine...bottom line it's a just cause and if you have to propogate a "rumor" all the power to you.

[Jerry J. Fortin]

This is not a rumor it is a report. Just because the writer wanted to be standard in their opening does not mean they choose the best word. Why does everyone want proof..? Always believe the messages that are negative...No one is going to make up such a story. Even if it is a lie ----it's positive - an embelishment..fine...bottom line it's a just cause and if you have to propogate a "rumor" all the power to you.

I think China is changing very rapidly. Democracy is still some years away, but the form of communism in China has already morphed into a more modern version of its original design. It is possible that democracy may never be needed there, and that their system may in fact turn out to be superior to our own. Their system may be kept just as a hedge to make them stand out as different and superior. The Middle Kingdom has continued throughout the ages, and their long term views are likely to continue to permeate their ideologies much to the dismay of the rest of the world.

What many do not understand is that their productive capacity has been enhanced with the assistance of Europe and the west with the joint ventures in manufacturing that has been going on over the last two decades. As companies move into China to take advantage of its immense internal consumption of production they bring technology with them. Corporate efforts are what has brought China to its new economic level not politics. Politics means very little there, understandable when you consider the oppressive political environment. Political activity is sanctioned only within the confines of the party and actively discouraged outside of those parameters.

[benny]

This is not a rumor it is a report.

A rumor is a kind of report.

[Argus]

I think many folks under estimate China's brutality, corruption and ruthlessness.

Fixed it for ya.

[Riverwind]

It is possible that democracy may never be needed there, and that their system may in fact turn out to be superior to our own.

Democracy is hardly perfect but it provides a peaceful mechanism that allows entrenched elites to be tossed out on their backside. This is infinitely preferable to Chinese approach which calls for violent revolution when the leaders have lost the "mandate of heaven".

What many do not understand is that their productive capacity has been enhanced with the assistance of Europe and the west with the joint ventures in manufacturing that has been going on over the last two decades.

I remember the hyperbole about the ascendency of Japan in 1980s - hyperbole that is almost laughable if read today. Japan still is a manufacturing powerhouse but in the end its political and demographic constraints clipped its wings. The same will happen to China unless it is able to reform its corrupt and suffocating institutions.

For now, it is nothing but an imitator right now whose economy depends on currency manipulation and ideas borrowed/stolen from elsewhere. The best thing that China has going for it right now is the "climate change cult" which has got a death grip on most western politicians (particularly the US). If not stopped this cult will lead to the collective economic suicide of the west and China will benefit enormously.

[Tawasakm]

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is known to be an advocate of China. His belief is they are taking two steps forward for every step backward. He acknowledges humans rights abuses in China but thinks they are moving forward faster than they are moving backward. I wonder how true this is. I sincerely hope he is right - since China has a large role in the future of this world.

[xul]

This is about as honest as claiming that there was no Frog Lake Massacre... because the deaths all occurred on dry land.

You don't understand. To those common Chinese Beijing citizens like me who experienced the evient, there is no difference between who was killed in the Street and who would be killed in the square. But to some western media "writers", it make significant sense.

The event is a tragic moment of our nation's history, but not a massacre. Have you seen the article on CNN's website when the writer was smugging how CNN has benefited from the event? I think this is why nowaday "reporters" are more like "writers"--they just live on massacres, wars, floods, ....and really want such things happen.

Tiananmen Square: A watershed story for CNN

This CNN vedio below is very real, but just vedio not the audio:

TianAnMen Tank Standoff

If you are an objective observer and please turn off the audio for a while just watch the video first, that meants don't let the "writer" or mostly brain-manipulater's fairy tale interfering you judgement, you will find when the yong man in the video blocked the way of the thanks, the tank just steered to right then left, and then right and then left, and finally stopped and the man climbed up the tank. Until this point, do you think it looks like a massacre?

And at this point, everyone must be eager to know what happen next? But unfortunately, our dear "writer" turned off his camera without rhyme or reason, so we have to listen anything he wanted to tell us. Now, let's tun on the audio and listen the writer's fairytale---the "writer" told us he heard the Tank's cannon shot!

I guess the "writer" had never been a war fiction writer, because if he was he would be telling his story more professional. The man faced were tanks with 105mm cannons, I guess you must know how powerful the cannons are and how much damage they could cause if they were fired---I remember Army Guy praised you knowing military technology well. But if there are still some persons don't know it, I suppose, please see the photo link :

Russian Tank Shot Their Parliament Building In 1993

By the way, no western media blamed Boris Yeltsin did that---I remember when it happened, I was listening the VOA, and the "reporter"--sorry, mostly the "writer" told his listeners with a delightful voice "the President is cracking down the rebellious parliament to defend Russian democracy" ---Thanks heaven the VOA writer was not Canada PM, or else he might run some tanks to wipe Canadian "rebellious parliament" out last year.

I'm not saying all soldiers are patient like the soldiers in these Tanks, but most of them are, and they are also human, so most of them also have certain moral criteria like us. There did have a lot of died and casualties, according Chinese government it was hundreds died and over 2000 wounded, the figure may be higher than that, because if someone's wound was slightly no need lying in a hospital, he would not want police knew. But if anyone watches these CNN Photos, thanks photographers, they didn't photoshoped them like "writers", he will find that considering the numbers of the protestors in the street showed on photos, the life loss can hardly consider as a massacre. It's a crackdown by using army, but not a massacre.

But from where the massacre came out? I remember I listened from VOA, it told us the massacre happened in the square, tanks squashed students, "thousands to tens thousands"(I could not listen English then, it was Chinese words 成千上万, the re-translation to English is bit odd) of student died at the night. CPC soon found out western media's flaw and reliesed their video that students evacuated from the square leading by a Taiwan singer Hou De Jian---because the so-called "protest leaders" all fled on 3rd, June with American and French passports. And then CPC began to accuse western medias "fake" the news. And then, VOA lowered the life loss to "hundreds to thousands" and no longer talked about Tanks squashing students, but still called it massacre.

Honestly, I don't think VOA or CNN deliberately to make the story of massacre, they just took in some big mouth Chinese's story---everytime when a meteor falls there are some idiots declaring ET coming---and refuse to admit that they have made some wrong to keep their faces. This is why more and more young Chinese backlashed them---they are just doing the favor to CPC boss-kind because the boss may say, "ah, I'm a liar, you all have known that; but now you all also know that my opposite is a liar too. Thus why you need to risk everything you have to throw an old lair out instead of a new liar?"

Edited June 21, 2009 by xul

[benny]

Western nations should ask China: are you avoiding human rights abuses just to please us?