Ignatieff Supports Harper's Crime Bill (C15)

[jdobbin]

If Gary Doer ran federally, I'd have a hard time voting Liberal.

I think Quebecers would have a hard time votiing for a unilingual candidate.

[Moonbox]

If Gary Doer ran federally, I'd have a hard time voting Liberal.

He'd find support in Manitoba, and next to none outside of that.

[Smallc]

He'd find support in Manitoba, and next to none outside of that.

I don't know about that. He has a way with...things.

[Smallc]

I think Quebecers would have a hard time votiing for a unilingual candidate.

Yes, and that's why he'll never run.

[punked]

I think Quebecers would have a hard time votiing for a unilingual candidate.

Yah the NDP has soooooo much support in Quebec it would tough for them.

[Topaz]

If you were the leader of the opposition would you go for an election now? I wouldn't. The Tories have BIG problems right now, and the longer they stay in the more the problems will grow. I'd wait, be patient and wait for a signal from the voters who want Tories out.

[Shady]

Kind of like Harper when it comes to not running a deficit...ever?

A deficit is quite understandable during a deep recession/mild depression. The only question is, why can't you understand that? When economic activity slows down considerably, and revenues to the government drop rapidly, there's going to be a shortfall. You're being quite disingenous and/or obtuse. Especially when a large percentage of the deficit is from economic stimulus, in which the liberal's supported. Stop playing stupid.

In fact, his principles appear to many Liberals to lean to a tough on crime stance.

Perhaps that's why he supports Harper's crime bill.

It is easier to pick apart the flaws in Harper's bill by asking if he is going to raise taxes for new prisons and staff or if he is going to cut services.

There's no need to do either. You slow the growth of spending a little, and when the economy comes back, we'll be back in surplus. The real question, is are liberals going to let dangerous criminals back on the street instead of investing in the necessary infastructure? I think the public has a right to know. And if M.r Ignatieff has his say. The answer is no. Perhaps you'd be better suited in the NDP?

[Oleg Bach]

If you were the leader of the opposition would you go for an election now? I wouldn't. The Tories have BIG problems right now, and the longer they stay in the more the problems will grow. I'd wait, be patient and wait for a signal from the voters who want Tories out.

The Tories will be fine if they get rid of the overly privledged and underqualified dead wood. Nuputism is killing them - repeadly you see the children of important people - who are now adults get plum postings...If they do not realize that politics is not an industry to employ silly adult rich kids - then all should be well...Perhaps like a peaking capitalist economy that takes it's natural course and peaks then declines - the conservative human resourse pool has also peaked and conservatism as we once knew it is dying...It may be smart for Harper to realize that privledge is not for ever - and to open the door to new blood not from old families.

[Shady]

In fact, his principles appear to many Liberals to lean to a tough on crime stance.

Oh, you don't say? Well, isn't that going to lead to more inmates? Has Ignatieff indicated how he'd pay for the excess capacity needed? Increased taxes or reduction in services? Which one?

[Jerry J. Fortin]

Iggy should get Harper to pull the plug, it would not take much.

[jdobbin]

Oh, you don't say? Well, isn't that going to lead to more inmates? Has Ignatieff indicated how he'd pay for the excess capacity needed? Increased taxes or reduction in services? Which one?

Actually, my view is that he will likely lean to better use of the parole system when he is PM.

It is the Tories who will have to face the issue of increase deficit, increased taxes or decreased services because they will not consider anything that is cheaper or smarter.

[jdobbin]

A deficit is quite understandable during a deep recession/mild depression. The only question is, why can't you understand that? When economic activity slows down considerably, and revenues to the government drop rapidly, there's going to be a shortfall. You're being quite disingenous and/or obtuse. Especially when a large percentage of the deficit is from economic stimulus, in which the liberal's supported. Stop playing stupid.

Why can't you understand that the Tory overspending years before the recession left no room for anything but a deficit. Other jurisdictions created reserve funds, other jurisdictions controlled their spending. Stop playing stupid.

Harper has no plans to reduce spending even when the economy improves.

I have been on the case of spending on the part of both Liberal and Tory governments from the beginning. Control it, budget for a downturn, work to keep the dollar from rising steeply, manage inflation and reduce corporate and personal income taxes to competitive levels.

The Tories have only been good on keeping inflation down. In other areas they were asleep at the switch.

Perhaps that's why he supports Harper's crime bill.

He certainly isn't going to fight an election on the issues that he does have a problem with.

There's no need to do either. You slow the growth of spending a little, and when the economy comes back, we'll be back in surplus. The real question, is are liberals going to let dangerous criminals back on the street instead of investing in the necessary infastructure? I think the public has a right to know. And if M.r Ignatieff has his say. The answer is no. Perhaps you'd be better suited in the NDP?

There has never been any indication that Harper can control his spending. He was winding down that surplus for two straight years.

I have also seen nothing to indicate that Harper is going to build prisons. The Liberals don't draft the budget. If there is a huge increase in prison population, it endangers people if they are not housed properly and with proper staff. We can't afford murderers escaping again like last year.

[jdobbin]

Yah the NDP has soooooo much support in Quebec it would tough for them.

I think any federal party has to have a bilingual candidate to succeed.

[normanchateau]

Why isn't Ignatieff explaining his support for this legislation?

Perhaps Ignatieff is motivated by the fact that more than 90% of Canadians support some aspects of C15:

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/canad...eal_with_gangs/

In any event, whether Ignatieff supported or opposed C15, he'd be condemned by Harper supporters who find it less challenging to attack Ignatieff than to provide intelligent reasons for still supporting Harper.

[Oleg Bach]

Ignatieff probably likes to take advantage of mob rule - and will opportunistically - jump on top the the pile of poop and proclaim himself a leader....benny did say something astounding - that Ignatieff would like in the long wrong run - to declare the population as being symptomatically pathelogical...meaning he believes that humans are all sick and he's got the cure - don't like this Truedeauish experimentation and arrogance - thank dear PET - for the gun voilence in Toronto - It was he who engineered the demise of the family----Ignatieff will have drug programs set in place - for ALL children in his dream to create a really functional ant farm.

[normanchateau]

Ignatieff probably likes to take advantage of mob rule -

So you think he should have opposed C15?

[benny]

Ignatieff probably likes to take advantage of mob rule

For right-wingers, the mob rule is democracy itself.

[normanchateau]

The Tories have BIG problems right now, and the longer they stay in the more the problems will grow.

It depends on whether or not they retain Harper.

It looked like a bleak future for the Liberals last year until they dumped Dion.

The same holds for the Conservatives unless they dump Harper.

Fortunately for Ignatieff, Conservatives tend to be conservative so won't take the risk of dumping Harper for fear they'll be stuck with someone even worse.

Other than a hatred of the Liberals, there's not much to unite Harper supporters these days.

[benny]

It depends on whether or not they retain Harper.

It looked like a bleak future for the Liberals last year until they dumped Dion.

The same holds for the Conservatives unless they dump Harper.

Fortunately for Ignatieff, Conservatives tend to be conservative so won't take the risk of dumping Harper for fear they'll be stuck with someone even worse.

Other than a hatred of the Liberals, there's not much to unite Harper supporters these days.

It is a sad time for democracy when a political party (the Liberals here) can win elections just by mimicking the party in power (the Conservatives).

[Oleg Bach]

It is a sad time for democracy when a political party (the Liberals here) can win elections just by mimicking the party in power (the Conservatives).

Perfectly said - Ignatieff is certain a mimic of the grandest degree - all he ever said was what he pulled from a book - and all his books are ideas taken from other peoples books - that man has never had an original thought in his life - and he will mimic into the future seeing he has a long history of mimicry.

[benny]

Perfectly said - Ignatieff is certain a mimic of the grandest degree - all he ever said was what he pulled from a book - and all his books are ideas taken from other peoples books - that man has never had an original thought in his life - and he will mimic into the future seeing he has a long history of mimicry.

Even in a democracy, a leader should endeavor to put the population face to face with its contradictions. As the next best chameleon man, Ignatieff will not at all be up to this task.

[Oleg Bach]

Even in a democracy, a leader should endeavor to put the population face to face with its contradictions. As the next best chameleon man, Ignatieff will not at all be up to this task.

He is not interested..he is institutionalized and indoctinated and to old to change - plus that astounding pride of his cripples him from developing - he is stationary in his developement - this happens to those that believe they have all the answers - time and society march forward and these men are rendered obsolete before they even begin - you have to be cutting edge and progressive ----conservatism is supposed to conserve what is good and slowly add on new ideas that are tried and tested ( progressive conservative) Ignatieff strikes me as the type of man...that should have dropped out of school back in grade 10 and maybe he would have amounted to something - instead the world he lived in so long created him -------------a fanatic.

[Sir Bandelot]

He is the Canadian Obama... a Conservative in Liberal clothing.

A "Neo-Liberal". Con man

[benny]

His family was Conservative in Russia and is now Liberal in Canada! Something is wrong somewhere yes!

Edited June 16, 2009 by benny

[DrGreenthumb]

I was actually planning to support the Liberals in the upcoming election but with their support of c-15 they can forget about it. Instead I will be using all my free time during the election to remind people that BOTH the tories and the liberals support mandatory minimums for cannabis.