California High Court Upholds Marriage Ban

bush_cheney2004 · May 26, 2009

The California Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of Proposition 8, banning same gender marriage. About 18,000 pre-Prop 8 marriages will not be vacated.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/26/californi...iage/index.html

Public opinion has shifted in favor of a ban, but another round of challenges is expected in 2010.

Shady · May 26, 2009

The California Supreme Court has upheld the constitutionality of Proposition 8, banning same gender marriage. About 18,000 pre-Prop 8 marriages will not be vacated.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/05/26/californi...iage/index.html

Public opinion has shifted in favor of a ban, but another round of challenges is expected in 2010.

It's nice to finally see something resembling the rule of law. And in California no less!

Smallc · May 26, 2009

It never should have been put to a vote in the first place. I'm sure some day it will be overturned.

bush_cheney2004 · May 26, 2009

It never should have been put to a vote in the first place. I'm sure some day it will be overturned.

Perhaps.....but it was, according to California....law. If overturned, the other "side" will cheer the law and courts that they curse today.

Smallc · May 26, 2009

It was according to California law, but in this case, that doesn't make it right. Even the law, which is usually right, can be wrong.

bush_cheney2004 · May 26, 2009

It was according to California law, but in this case, that doesn't make it right. Even the law, which is usually right, can be wrong.

But that's OK....or the "law" has been wrong for 150 years.

Smallc · May 27, 2009

The law has been wrong on many issues like this is the past. It's one of its biggest failings.

bush_cheney2004 · May 27, 2009

The law has been wrong on many issues like this is the past. It's one of its biggest failings.

There is no right or wrong in such matters...only differences. May the best ad campaign win.

Oleg Bach · May 27, 2009

There is no right or wrong in such matters...only differences. May the best ad campaign win.

Marrage us sex - sex is opposites - male and male etc are not opposites - thus their pleasurings are really do not constitute sex - thus it's not marriage. What's next...to define murder as NOT having killed someone, but merely changed them? I have nothing against what gays and lesbians do - but do not re-define our language - the only thing that we can truel communicate with - just to appease and pander to those that were just fine other wise - If they want partner rights - and benefits fine...but a man is not a woman and a woman is not a man - sorry ---and yes - it must have been a good ad campaign - I guess the liberls in Cal are slipping in their creative powers.

Wilber · May 27, 2009

How can you hold a referendum on rights? If that is the case, no minority has rights. It will be interesting to see what the Supremes make of it as it must surely wind up in their laps.

bush_cheney2004 · May 27, 2009

How can you hold a referendum on rights? If that is the case, no minority has rights. It will be interesting to see what the Supremes make of it as it must surely wind up in their laps.

Marriage is not a right...the state has many restrictions on marriage licenses and contract law (e.g. I cannot marry my mother or sister). The only hope for prevailing at the federal level would be the Equal Protection Clause.

Edited May 27, 2009 by bush_cheney2004

Oleg Bach · May 27, 2009

All living creatures desever protection from premature demise facilitated by preditors - that's called a civil society. Still - I have a right not to have my dog sleep on my clean sheets - and I have a right to deny my dog the right to sit at my table with his own place matt. I do not have the right to abuse or torment my dog...and my dog does not have the right to demand my car keys so it can go off to the park and propose to the sexy standard poodle...I might drive him to the park - but if he mounts a male being a male - and the act produces no puppies...then my dog has failed ----- I want puppies....and I have the right to deny a tax dollar to a man who wants to pay a surrogate to incubate his sperm and some doner egg - or a lesbian with lots of disposable income - who wants to adopt a child that is taken from a poor family by the sweet and caring liberals - usually a designer child of somekind with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Gay marriage is not marriage - if they can not bring themselves to the point of doing their natural duty and reproducing natuarlly - If they can not bare to touch and couple with the opposite sex - then breeding and marriage privledges should be denied - For God's sake - if you are gay get married to the opposite sex - gay men and woman entered traditional relationships in the past - it was common - and they kept their lusts private and in the closet - Look back into history - or our not to distant past - butch chicks got married - and so did feminine males - and they mangaged to have children...and same sex lovers on the side. The old way was better for everyone.

sharkman · May 28, 2009

How can you hold a referendum on rights? If that is the case, no minority has rights. It will be interesting to see what the Supremes make of it as it must surely wind up in their laps.

Edited, wow I need to do some reading on the matter...

But I agree that marriage is simply not a right.

Edited May 28, 2009 by sharkman

Smallc · May 28, 2009

The only reason there was a referendum was that the gay leadership in California thought they could get their way through one.

They already had the right. The referendum took it away.

sharkman · May 28, 2009

I understand that the gay strategy is to have another referendum in 2010 to overturn the previous one. They aren't concerned whether this right should be meted out from the court or government or the people, which ever one gives them marriage is fine.

This reminds me of one of the reasons the referendum striking down gay marriage carried. Black voters who came out for Obama and didn't want gay marriage. They are going to have to find a way to hold a referendum that doesn't attract blacks.

Borg · May 28, 2009

About time reason over took insanity

Borg

ironstone · May 29, 2009

They already had the right. The referendum took it away.

Was it true that most blacks voted against gay marriage?That must make the left very uncomfortable to say the least.I guess they have to be careful with throwing the "bigot" word around so freely.

Damn the will of the people eh!

Smallc · May 29, 2009

Damn the will of the people eh!

This had no business ever going to a vote. I don't really care who voted against it, they were wrong. Rights should never be decided by a majority vote.

bush_cheney2004 · May 29, 2009

This had no business ever going to a vote. I don't really care who voted against it, they were wrong. Rights should never be decided by a majority vote.

Marriage is not a right....not even in Californy.

Smallc · May 29, 2009

Marriage is not a right....not even in Californy.

That's only your opinion. In many places the courts seem to disagree with you. The courts did in California too, but they had to respect the constitution.

sharkman · May 29, 2009

Well how about this to beat the modern idea or opinion that gays should marry. For all of history all of the courts in all of the countries in the world thought that gays should not have the right to marry.

Smallc · May 29, 2009

For all of history all of the courts in all of the countries in the world thought that gays should not have the right to marry.

And now we know more about reality and the world that we live in. As we learn, our views (should) change...and they have. What is right now is not what was right before....and often what was right before was wrong. As we go forward, we fix injustices. The courts are not perfect and so they can be wrong, but over time, they usually come to the right decision.

sharkman · May 29, 2009

Ah, but do we know any more about ourselves, about humanity, about love? Look at the % of ended marriages, of abortion, or of lives wrecked before they are even adults and dare to tell me we are any more knowledgeable about life. There are whole sections of most American cities where the police simply do not patrol because they will get shot.

We are failing. Whole nations overseas are starving and slowly dying although we could feed them. If we are so knowledgeable, how come we can't solve these problems that get worse instead every year?

We are only calling the gay lifestyle normal because it reached a threshold in society. We will also change our opinion on polygamy within a decade, will that make us any better?

Edited May 29, 2009 by sharkman

Smallc · May 29, 2009

Ah, but do we know any more about ourselves, about humanity, about love?

Yes, scientifically we do. We also know that homosexuality is quite natural in nature. We've also come to understand human thought and opinion better. I certainly don't share your view that humanity is failing. Humanity has always had problems...and so far, we've always made it through the problems.

bush_cheney2004 · May 29, 2009

That's only your opinion. In many places the courts seem to disagree with you. The courts did in California too, but they had to respect the constitution.

Krikey....then I'll be marrying me Sister! :lol: