kuzadd Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 U.S. military: Heavily armed and medicated In deploying an all-volunteer army to fight two ongoing wars, in Iraq and Afghanistan, the Pentagon has increasingly relied on prescription drugs to keep its warriors on the front lines. In recent years, the number of military prescriptions for antidepressants, sleeping pills, and painkillers has risen as soldiers come home with battered bodies and troubled minds. And many of those service members are then sent back to war theaters in distant lands with bottles of medication to fortify them. KBR bonus paid in full despite electrocutions Witnesses testified Wednesday that the government paid military contractor KBR Inc. $83.4 million in bonuses for what experts identified as shoddy electrical work in Iraq, including repairs that led to the death of a Shaler Green Beret.In other testimony before the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, a former KBR electrician said the Houston-based contractor endangers lives by using untrained employees, counterfeit electrical breakers and wiring materials unsuited to the desert sun and hot temperatures. An inspector hired by the Army said the firm's work is some of the "most hazardous, worst quality" work he's ever seen. So troops drugged up and sent back to fight. Troops electrocuted by shoddy work, but hell KBR get's it's bonus's It's showtime! Cue flag waving, hand on heart and national anthem. That is the only way the troops are really supported! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 the number of prescriptions for antidepressants, sleeping pills, and painkillers has risen That's just a microcosm of society in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 ...So troops drugged up and sent back to fight.Troops electrocuted by shoddy work, but hell KBR get's it's bonus's Well...yea...why do you think the troops are serving? It's showtime!Cue flag waving, hand on heart and national anthem. That is the only way the troops are really supported! That's how they have always been "supported". Most "troops" don't serve for pity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuzadd Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 That's just a microcosm of society in general. while I agree with that statement to some degree, the troops are likely drugged at higher rates, given they are more stressed and more injured then the general population. Also the rest of the population is not shipped to another country to invade and occupy that nation. So there is a difference in having drugged up soldiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuzadd Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Well...yea...why do you think the troops are serving?That's how they have always been "supported". Most "troops" don't serve for pity. I am quite certain the troops are serving big corporate interests as has always been the case! Empty flag waving has pretty well always been the state of affairs, and the occasional memorial and drag them out for parades, real support for the troops, non-existent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moderateamericain Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 I am quite certain the troops are serving big corporate interests as has always been the case!Empty flag waving has pretty well always been the state of affairs, and the occasional memorial and drag them out for parades, real support for the troops, non-existent. Man o man, more people who don't have a clue about being in the military talking like they know something. Army guy or bush you can handle this one my temper will get the best of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 That's just a microcosm of society in general. This microcosm has very powerful weapons in their posession. moderateamerican Man o man, more people who don't have a clue about being in the military talking like they know something. Army guy or bush you can handle this one my temper will get the best of me. You are correct, most of us do not have a clue what it is like in the military. That does not mean we don't care about them. Personally I'd like to bring them all home. I never supported the War on Terror when the drum banging started happening in 2001-2003. I'd rather not have them killed in a foreing country. I admire their service. And some think they are there for legit reasons. I want to support them by bringing them home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 You are correct, most of us do not have a clue what it is like in the military. That does not mean we don't care about them. Personally I'd like to bring them all home. I never supported the War on Terror when the drum banging started happening in 2001-2003. I'd rather not have them killed in a foreing country. I admire their service. And some think they are there for legit reasons. Well, if you have never served, your level of support is quite different regardless. They are there for "legit reasons". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) ...Empty flag waving has pretty well always been the state of affairs, and the occasional memorial and drag them out for parades, real support for the troops, non-existent. My neighbor would not agree with you...her son is still really serving. Troops don't grow on trees. Edited May 22, 2009 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuzadd Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Man o man, more people who don't have a clue about being in the military talking like they know something. Army guy or bush you can handle this one my temper will get the best of me. I am saying there is NO real support for the troops, other then lip service. I am actually being more supportive of the troops then empty promises, and flags waving. Bonus's were paid, despite electrocution, what were they paid for? A job well done? Did that job include electrocuting the troops? The drug useage by the troops, who is guarding their interests, who is supporting them? No one. Who is supporting the troops? Not you if you stand by these abuses. Me, I support the troops by saying bring them home!! Edited May 22, 2009 by kuzadd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuzadd Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 My neighbor would not agree with you...her son is still really serving. Troops don't grow on trees. but they are completely expandable, to the powers that be. Not to there mama's. I recall you saying, a renewable resource, right BC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuzadd Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 This microcosm has very powerful weapons in their posession. moderateamerican You are correct, most of us do not have a clue what it is like in the military. That does not mean we don't care about them. Personally I'd like to bring them all home. I never supported the War on Terror when the drum banging started happening in 2001-2003. I'd rather not have them killed in a foreing country. I admire their service. And some think they are there for legit reasons. I want to support them by bringing them home. They are their for legit reasons. Despite what they may think about helping people and freedom. They are there to aid in the construction of pipelines, support puppet regimes, and generally make life easier for corporations. Hell, with the way the poppy crop has just blossomed Biggest crop ever, all while Afghanistan is under full occupation, with a puppet gov in cahoots with warlords. That can't be a coincidence? All that money can sure fund lots of covert ops, good things the troops are there! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 So troops drugged up and sent back to fight. I think we should be careful on what we call drugs ie taking a few asprins or taking a heavy anti depressent....i Don't think the military is going to send anyone on heavy medication into a Combat zone....where that individual's senses / skills will be impaired .... Also the rest of the population is not shipped to another country to invade and occupy that nation.So there is a difference in having drugged up soldiers. Soldiers are not the only segment of the population to see death and destruction on a daily basis...what about policemen, fire fighters, EMS workers, doctors, nurses, etc etc.... I am quite certain the troops are serving big corporate interests as has always been the case! What corporation interests are being served in Afghanistan ? Empty flag waving has pretty well always been the state of affairs, and the occasional memorial and drag them out for parades, real support for the troops, non-existent ever see one of the dozens of web vid's taken on the highway of heros in ontario....pretty impressive if you ask me....the Rememberance day in the capitol also very impressive, no i think the citizens do pretty good at showing thier support.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuzadd Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) army guy, I think you had better read the article: "According to data from a U. S. Army mental-health survey released last year, about 12 percent of soldiers in Iraq and 15 percent of those in Afghanistan reported taking antidepressants, anti-anxiety medications, or sleeping pills. Prescriptions for painkillers have also skyrocketed. Data from the Department of Defense last fall showed that as of September 2007, prescriptions for narcotics for active-duty troops had risen to almost 50,000 a month, compared with about 33,000 a month in October 2003, not long after the Iraq war began." oh and anti-depressants are major meds. You ever read about the effects on the brain, how it works? this ain't aspirin! sorry, I don't do mindless flag waving. I prefer to see the troops at home. Edited May 22, 2009 by kuzadd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuzadd Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Interesting that army guy and moderate american, two who support the troops offer no condemnation for the bonus paid, despite electrocuted troops, and the abuse of soldiers who are pushed past the limits. You don't condemn these abuses of the troops and infact chastise another poster for pointing the abuses out. But you both support the troops? How is that possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 sorry, I don't do mindless flag waving. I prefer to see the troops at home. Army Guy, if I'm not mistaken, is in Afghanistan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 army guy, I think you had better read the article:"According to data from a U. S. Army mental-health survey released last year, about 12 percent of soldiers in Iraq and 15 percent of those in Afghanistan reported taking antidepressants, anti-anxiety medications, or sleeping pills. Prescriptions for painkillers have also skyrocketed. Data from the Department of Defense last fall showed that as of September 2007, prescriptions for narcotics for active-duty troops had risen to almost 50,000 a month, compared with about 33,000 a month in October 2003, not long after the Iraq war began." this ain't aspirin! sorry, I don't do mindless flag waving. I prefer to see the troops at home. Your making some heavy assumptions that Combat soldiers are being prescribed mind altering narcotics....you are painting the picture that any of these drugs prescribed are leaving soldiers in a mindless drug induced stuper....These drugs come in many forms and strengths....And doctors are legally responsiable for these prescriptions if a soldier dies while in combat because hes whacked on some narcotic the chain of command is held responsiable....your making a mountain out of mole hill.... Your also making the assumption that all will be in combat of some sort or another....some never get to see the outside of the camp.... everyone shows thier support in different ways, i would'nt go as far as calling it mindless, i know i for one was impressed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Interesting that army guy and moderate american, two who support the troops offer no condemnation for the bonus paid, despite electrocuted troops, and the abuse of soldiers who are pushed past the limits. I am one of the troops....and although i'm not impressed with the bonus thing, we don't know the entire story either....you are jumping to conclusions.... You don't condemn these abuses of the troops and infact chastise another poster for pointing the abuses out.But you both support the troops? How is that possible? I don't recall using any tone or disrespect towards you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Army Guy, if I'm not mistaken, is in Afghanistan. Recently returned....just found out i'm heading to Gagetown NB this summer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 but they are completely expandable, to the powers that be.Not to there mama's. I recall you saying, a renewable resource, right BC? Of course....we are all "expendable".....you...me...troops...even the unborn. Troops serve their nation and are instruments of policy....but they die for each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Recently returned....just found out i'm heading to Gagetown NB this summer.... Welcome home. Don't mind kuzadd. She doesn't know what she's talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Of course....we are all "expendable".....you...me...troops...even the unborn.Troops serve their nation and are instruments of policy....but they die for each other. Comrades in arms - they are closer than brothers - the do not sacrafice themselves for policy or idealogy..nor for nation or empire - They are soldiers...they live and die for each other - and in their hearts they have no respect for a commander in chief that wastes them. Yes BC - the unborn are as expandable as the aged are shrinkable... so what's going on today? Is all in tact down there? Do you have that Obama guy under control and are you making sure that Dick Cheney does not give himself a heart attack? Poor Dick is so controled by the system he created that even if his heart stops it just keeps on ticking..and ticking even after the stiffies set in - must be hell not to even have the right to quietly pass away - artifical life support is sinister - people that should have left the world and by doing so make it a better place are kept around - I swear they give better medical treatment to evil people - because they sustain a system though harassment.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Comrades in arms - they are closer than brothers - the do not sacrafice themselves for policy or idealogy..nor for nation or empire - They are soldiers...they live and die for each other - and in their hearts they have no respect for a commander in chief that wastes them... But they have even less respect for a Commander In Chief who refuses to honor their purpose. Cheney's numbers are up.....he is America's most lovable prick...just when we needed him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 But they have even less respect for a Commander In Chief who refuses to honor their purpose. Cheney's numbers are up.....he is America's most lovable prick...just when we needed him. It's so odd - I thought that he would retire and go duck hunting.. I have not heard any of his comments as of late but from the small blip of a report I have is that he is still trying to be president..and attacks Obama - kind of like the all powerful corporate elite-- attempting to continure to be superme over what he considers a socialist - globalist! Funny - it was fine for Cheney to be a Darwinist socialist, and a disloyal internationalist. So how come the guy - who is at the end of his political career - STILL trying to hold on - I supect that these types are so entitled that they really think their grand kids should rule for eternity - great - the clone of a lesbian hag enheriting the throne... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moderateamericain Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Kuzadd, The problem I have with the post is that you use these things as a weapon to push your idealogical beliefs. Your fine to believe what you want, I would not dream of trying to convince you otherwise it just pisses me off when people use the death of military people to push a political agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.