Michael Hardner Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Read the paper and find out. tango - my point is that it isn't stated. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
GostHacked Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Same goes with the 9/11 conspiracy theories. If there was really a plot that involved 100s of people then after 8 years someone somewhere would have provided direct evidence that such a plot did occur. The fact that no such evidence has appeared makes the claim of a conspiracy extremely improbable. Compartmentalization. The whole military industrial complex relies on just this type of thing to give those only the info they need without ever knowing the bigger picture. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Compartmentalization. The whole military industrial complex relies on just this type of thing to give those only the info they need without ever knowing the bigger picture. The entire tinfoil hat whack job consipiracy theory industry relies on Occam's razor being dulled to the point it can't cut butter.... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
benny Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 For those of you who have a lot of time on their hands, three companion papers on the subject from Jim Hoffman can help you to spend it: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermit...g_scenario.html http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermit...e_residues.html http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermit...e_timeline.html Quote
GostHacked Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 The entire tinfoil hat whack job consipiracy theory industry relies on Occam's razor being dulled to the point it can't cut butter.... I got crapped on in another 9/11 thread because I was NOT using Occam's Razor at all, and you are complaining I am using it to much. You may think it is all tinfoil hat stuff, but when working on top secret military projects, it is key for compartmentalization to happen to keep the item top secret. If you only know one component, and have no idea how that component fits into the big picturem, then you do not know what is going on. Take any large corporation. Compartmentalization happens there as well. I am in IT, but have no idea about financial, or other aspects of the company. So I cannot know or even begin to imagine the bigger picture and where we are going to end up. I am simply not privy to that information. So, if there is a conspiracy to happen, it is compartmentalized enough that only the ones at the top know the real whole picture. I know it seems impossible for you to consider this, and it shows how sincere you are in any kind of debate. I am still on the notion it is an inside job, there is still some evidence to support it. I had the feeling that day that something was not quite right about the attacks, but I could not put my finger on it. Even when building 7 came down. I saw that live on TV, this happened around 5:30PM. I was on my way out the door from my pals place when they started talking about another building that was going to come down. I sat right back down, and soon after that, Building 7 came crashing down. I knew at that point Building 7 and the way/when it came down just did not sit right with me. And it to me, it is a key evidence of the inside job. Almost all the answeres lied in the rubble of that building. Quote
M.Dancer Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 I got crapped on in another 9/11 thread because I was NOT using Occam's Razor at all, and you are complaining I am using it to much. Read again....I think the tr00thers use occam's spoon... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
benny Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Niels Harrit is also giving interviews on his paper: Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Niels Harrit is also giving interviews on his paper: Good...I hope his 15 minutes of fame lasts at least 5 more minutes. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 .... I knew at that point Building 7 and the way/when it came down just did not sit right with me. And it to me, it is a key evidence of the inside job. Almost all the answeres lied in the rubble of that building. What is key evidence? That the Law of Gravity also applied to WTC 7? You know what is remarkable? How some members can rip religious faith and the existence of "God" while believing in other completely unsupported notions and speculation. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
tango Posted April 20, 2009 Author Report Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) tango - my point is that it isn't stated. If you quote it we can discuss it. Otherwise, you are again simply stating something without evidence. Edited April 20, 2009 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
GostHacked Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Read again....I think the tr00thers use occam's spoon... Well, make up your mind, you want the razor or spoon? Or will you still see it as a fork? BC What is key evidence? That the Law of Gravity also applied to WTC 7?You know what is remarkable? How some members can rip religious faith and the existence of "God" while believing in other completely unsupported notions and speculation. When you can prove god exists with anything substantial, then call me. At this point it is easier to prove the inside job theory for 9/11 than it is to prove the existance of god. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 When you can prove god exists with anything substantial, then call me. At this point it is easier to prove the inside job theory for 9/11 than it is to prove the existance of god. Are you joking? I can produce far more "witnesses", "miracles", "physical articles", and deity based "belief systems" with just as much "evidence" that you claim to exist. You cannot prove that 9/11 was an inside job....hell...you haven't even defined what an "inside job" specifically means, choosing to be just as "spiritual" as any cleric. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
tango Posted April 20, 2009 Author Report Posted April 20, 2009 When you can prove god exists with anything substantial, then call me. At this point it is easier to prove the inside job theory for 9/11 than it is to prove the existance of god. Well said! Why is it that organized religions always zealously guard the regime in power? Fringe benefits? Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
GostHacked Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Are you joking? I can produce far more "witnesses", "miracles", "physical articles", and deity based "belief systems" with just as much "evidence" that you claim to exist.You cannot prove that 9/11 was an inside job....hell...you haven't even defined what an "inside job" specifically means, choosing to be just as "spiritual" as any cleric. If you are even willing to sit through a few videos, I can make a few suggestions. The inside job was to generate enough idignation and support for the US's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. More so for the ousting of Saddam. Now this is what we can call pretext. I know this will be dismissed by you and your sort. So I will just get some links for some vids for you. And no it won't be Loose Change. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 If you are even willing to sit through a few videos, I can make a few suggestions. Been there....done that. The inside job was to generate enough idignation and support for the US's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. More so for the ousting of Saddam. Now this is what we can call pretext. I know this will be dismissed by you and your sort. So I will just get some links for some vids for you. And no it won't be Loose Change. Nonsense...I have long maintained that "WMDs" were the pretext for ousting Saddam. Doing so was a matter of US Public Law as of November 1998.....so Clinton and Blair promptly bombed Iraq. They didn't need any steenkin' 9/11. Stop weasling about....articulate the specifics of the "inside job" correlated to and supported by physical evidence, witnesses, analysis, etc. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Been there....done that. I guess we are done then. Because you obviously have the correct answer. Quote
benny Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Good...I hope his 15 minutes of fame lasts at least 5 more minutes. Narcissism is more an American complex than a Danish one. Quote
segnosaur Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Recall also that William Rodriguez, a survivor, a hero and a janitor there, had heard an explosion before the plane hit the first Tower. You realize that assertion makes absolutely no sense, don't you? If he was in the basement, how exactly woudl he know when the plane hit the tower? He was underground. He wasn't staring out the window. He wasn't watching the building on TV. He'd have absolutely no frame of reference to know when the building was actually hit for the first time. Furthermore, lets assume your 'fantasy' scenario is correct and there was an explosion before the plane hit the building... when there is a controlled demoltion, any exposives are set off seconds before the building actually collapses, not an hour before hand. Its always amazing how the conspricy theorists make arguments about how 'unusual' it was for a building to collapse by fire, yet they're willing to accept somethign that is even more unlikely. Quote
segnosaur Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 If you are even willing to sit through a few videos, I can make a few suggestions. The inside job was to generate enough idignation and support for the US's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq. More so for the ousting of Saddam. Now this is what we can call pretext. I know this will be dismissed by you and your sort. So I will just get some links for some vids for you. And no it won't be Loose Change. Instead of wasting your time looking at various videos (with their often contradictory 'evidence'), here's a suggestion... If you want to convince people it was an inside job, sit down and try to actually develop a real plan about how it would be pulled off. And provide details... how many (and who) would have to be involved with NORAD, with the police/fire department, politicians, and other 'insiders'. Give it a try. Good chance you'll quickly give up and return to watching videos made by idiots who have no actual knowledge or reputation making claims about 'inside jobs'. I've never seen any conspirisy theorist develop even a basic rudimentary explaination about what happened on 9/11. Until someone actually does, you don't really have much of a leg to stand on. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 tango, Religion doesn't always support the regime in power. Oscar Romero Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
tango Posted April 20, 2009 Author Report Posted April 20, 2009 tango,Religion doesn't always support the regime in power. Oscar Romero Citing the unusual exception to the rule only proves the rule. In Canada, it is undeniably true that organized religions - the bureaucracy, not the worshippers - support the regime in power, and the corrupt system that works in their favour. For example, the churches 'laundered' Indigenous land for the government, and still cover up that involvement today. Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
segnosaur Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Oh I see. You are hypothesizing a small group of independent terrorists?That hadn't occurred to me. I just assumed it would be inside - the CIA - who would have access to bring in pallets and pallets of the stuff, and stash it on secure floors - the floors reserved for 'infrastructure'. Well you see that's the problem with conspiricy theories... Either the conspirsity involves a small group (who have to do extremely long-term planning), and you are stuck trying to explain how their work could have remained undetected for so long, or you are dealing with a big group (CIA or whomever), in which case you'd have to explain how they were able to recruit so many into their plot, and yet not have ONE PERSON claim "I was in on it". Heck, not even one person claim "They asked me to join but I said no". Quote
benny Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Its always amazing how the conspricy theorists make arguments about how 'unusual' it was for a building to collapse by fire, yet they're willing to accept somethign that is even more unlikely. You should stop calling conspiracy theorists people who simply are not naïve enough to believe rulers cannot do that kind of things to a few of their subjects and national symbols when it comes to legitimizing what they think will become overwhelmingly important national security matters in the long run. Quote
tango Posted April 20, 2009 Author Report Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) Nonsense...I have long maintained that "WMDs" were the pretext for ousting Saddam. Doing so was a matter of US Public Law as of November 1998.....so Clinton and Blair promptly bombed Iraq. They didn't need any steenkin' 9/11. No? omigod. How naive you are! (or pretend to be) It was soooo close ... many people opposed the war. The only thing that put it over the top is that Americans believed they had been attacked. You cannot deny the contribution of that emotion to the decision to go to war. That's just silly. Nato refused to go initially. The UN refused to endorse it. Canada refused to go on that basis, encountering anti-Canadianism from Republican Americans that continues to this day. I encountered it myself ... at a family wedding! No ... the destruction of the towers and massive death count was absolutely necessary to the war initiative. Hell ... Afghanistan offered to hand over Bin Laden on production of evidence of his involvement. The US refused, and went to war instead. What does that tell you??? Edited April 20, 2009 by tango Quote My Canada includes rights of Indigenous Peoples. Love it or leave it, eh! Peace.
GostHacked Posted April 20, 2009 Report Posted April 20, 2009 Instead of wasting your time looking at various videos (with their often contradictory 'evidence'), here's a suggestion... I had done just that in another 9/11 thread. I am going to have to search for it. The videos was just the start. Quote
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