Explosives Found in World Trade Center Dust

[benny]

Alain Badiou is a Frenchman who lives well in the US precisely because he has developed a theory where all real events are necessarily and deliberately explosive.

[tango]

Independent from what? Are you suggesting Martians...perhaps?

Independent from you.

You raise a good question about who.

I don't know. Not my problem.

[benny]

Independent from you.

You raise a good question about who.

I don't know. Not my problem.

Here a better question: is 9/11 independent of Silverstein's will?

[bush_cheney2004]

Alain Badiou is a Frenchman who lives well in the US precisely because he has developed a theory where all real events are necessarily and deliberately explosive.

Nah...he's just another disillusioned Marxist who's trying to make a buck on "ontology".

[benny]

Nah...he's just another disillusioned Marxist who's trying to make a buck on "ontology".

Under the neo-cons., the White House was full of pseudo-Marxists, i.e. people who were certain that 9/11 would change radically the frame by which a conspiracy is being investigated.

[bush_cheney2004]

Under the neo-cons., the White House was full of pseudo-Marxists, i.e. people who were certain that 9/11 would change radically the frame by which a conspiracy is being investigated.

They were right.

[benny]

They were right.

Wrong

[bush_cheney2004]

Wrong

Nope...re-elected in 2004.....very "Right".

[benny]

Nope...re-elected in 2004.....very "Right".

We are in 2009 now!

[bush_cheney2004]

We are in 2009 now!

...and you still can't touch them.....LOL!

[benny]

...and you still can't touch them.....LOL!

But the blood of 9/11 victims is still sadly seen as wasted blood.

[KrustyKidd]

I'm not sure if I have this right - but it seems like what's being said here is that documents concerning the conspiracy itself were destroyed in WTC 7.

This causes me some thoughts:

1) Is the idea that somebody came up with a plan to blow up WTC 7 by *first* flying two jets into WTC 1 and 2 ?

2) Is blowing up a building the best way to ensure that a document somewhere inside it never sees the light of day ?

3) Is someone actually implying that the entire conspiracy was set in motion so that it could destroy the very documents proving the conspiracy ?

There's a sort of beautiful, insane, truther symmetry in 3) when you think about it...

I like #3. It is so self sustaining in that all the conspirators would have gotten instructions from Dr Evil to wait there until given further orders thus tying it al up into one neat bundle. Then, the last lone guy (Dr Evil) shoots himself.

[benny]

I'm not sure if I have this right - but it seems like what's being said here is that documents concerning the conspiracy itself were destroyed in WTC 7.

This causes me some thoughts:

1) Is the idea that somebody came up with a plan to blow up WTC 7 by *first* flying two jets into WTC 1 and 2 ?

2) Is blowing up a building the best way to ensure that a document somewhere inside it never sees the light of day ?

3) Is someone actually implying that the entire conspiracy was set in motion so that it could destroy the very documents proving the conspiracy ?

There's a sort of beautiful, insane, truther symmetry in 3) when you think about it...

Asymmetries reign supreme in our world.

[kimmy]

If the plane was filled with fuel, it can only have taken off nearby!

They did take off from nearby. Boston is 200 miles away from New York. The planes that hit the towers were carrying enough fuel to make a 3000 mile flight to Los Angeles, plus reserve fuel. A Boeing 767 carry a lot more fuel than that, but if they'd taken a flight to another country their travel documents would have been subject to more scrutiny. The Boston to LA flights gave the hijackers about as much fuel as they could take on a flight within the United States.

Alain Badiou is a Frenchman who lives well in the US precisely because he has developed a theory where all real events are necessarily and deliberately explosive.

What? Literally explosive? What? If I, for example, brew a pot of coffee, and no explosion results, does that mean I don't actually have any coffee?

What happened for sure is the destruction of documents of interest (for those interested to know the truth about 9/11) in the collapse of WTC7.

So, uh, "they" had to destroy WTC7 to destroy incriminating paper documents? Why not just use a paper-shredder like corrupt corporations do? I mean, if they can get demolitions crews in to plant explosives, surely they could have just taken the alleged documents?

-k

[M.Dancer]

So, uh, "they" had to destroy WTC7 to destroy incriminating paper documents? Why not just use a paper-shredder like corrupt corporations do? I mean, if they can get demolitions crews in to plant explosives, surely they could have just taken the alleged documents?

-k

Well D'uh...they had to co-ordinate with Al Qaeda, the Illuminati, Dick Cheney and the powers that control area 51 to destroy the Shredders

[benny]

What? Literally explosive? What? If I, for example, brew a pot of coffee, and no explosion results, does that mean I don't actually have any coffee?

An event, for Badiou, is a human action that remains true to the original intent of a revolution.

http://ndpr.nd.edu/review.cfm?id=12406

[Army Guy]

What? Literally explosive? What? If I, for example, brew a pot of coffee, and no explosion results, does that mean I don't actually have any coffee?

I think i know what he means Kimmy, been having a real tough time adjusting to food here in Canada, since i got back and well it's left me a little no i'd say alot gassy....in fact i just had a very explosive moment just awhile ago....could i've just had a real event ? i'm scared now my son is grinning at me and flicking a lighter....

[M.Dancer]

I think i know what he means Kimmy, been having a real tough time adjusting to food here in Canada, since i got back and well it's left me a little no i'd say alot gassy....in fact i just had a very explosive moment just awhile ago....could i've just had a real event ? i'm scared now my son is grinning at me and flicking a lighter....

... the RSM yelled GAS GAS GAS and the men of the C Coy frantically donned their masks and shuddered...

[benny]

The Big Bang is the mother of all explosions.

[M.Dancer]

The Big Bang is the mother of all explosions.

Didn't even make a sound...

[benny]

Didn't even make a sound...

Those who are not hearing explosions everywhere all the time are simply unaware that the Big Bang is still an on going phenomenon.

[bush_cheney2004]

Those who are not hearing explosions everywhere all the time are simply unaware that the Big Bang is still an on going phenomenon.

Dancer is right...no Big Bang "sound" for humans...but it has been synthesized:

My Mathematica program (or notebook) combines the WMAP measured frequencies, appropriately scaled for the human ear, assuming that all the sinusoids start at a maximum at t=0 (the start of the Big Bang), and frequency-shifts them downward as time2/3 as the universe expands and becomes more of a "bass instrument". The simulation lasts 100 seconds representing the first 760 thousand years of evolution of the universe, and varies the sound intensity to match the cosmic microwave which, according to WMAP, peaked at 379 thousand years and dropped to 60% intensity in 110 thousand years before and after the peak time. The sound frequencies used in the simulation must be boosted upward by a huge factor (about 10 to the 26 power) to match the response of the human ear, because the actual Big Bang frequencies, which had wavelengths on the order of a fraction of the size of the universe, were far too low to be heard by humans (even had any been around).

http://faculty.washington.edu/jcramer/BBSound.html

[benny]

Hear that now:

[GostHacked]

Didn't even make a sound...

Might be because no one was there to witness it.

[M.Dancer]

Might be because no one was there to witness it.

Didn't take Science?

To have sound, there needs something more important than a listener...and that something didn't exist.